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Neville Rasmussen
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 Posted - 16/05/2009 : 21:38:46
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have a wonderful celebration and may the weather be splendid
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Kåarto
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Posted - 17/05/2009 : 09:20:46
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Thank you Neville, we will, and the weather looks promising.
You are right about Omund´s stepdaughter Helga, I´ll show you the record for her wedding later.
Time to celebrate 17. mai with my grandchildren and family.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/05/2009 : 20:25:31
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Hello, its been a wondeful 17. mai Neville.
Omunds step daughter Helga was born out of wedloc to Asseline Rasmusdatter about 1791, see 1801 census as Helga Jillesdatter (wrongspelling) age 10, she waas likley born on Landanes, her father was according Family Search Helge Isaksen Eileraas from Sveio parish in Hordaland county (next county north of Karmøy).
Helga married Thomas Christensen from Tunga, a subfarm under Utvik, Avaldsnes on July 23. 1818, engaged on April 4:
Bachelor Thomas Christensen Tunga age 24 and maid Helga Helgesdatter Stockedal age 27? Stepdaughter to Omund Hansen Stockedal, top left pege page.
More information from Family Search, not checked:
Thomas died on Salhus, Torvastad 1852, Helga died on Salhus 1876.
Sør Eikje was a farm in Avaldsnes.
Was Århaug a sub farm under Sør Eikje?
Information for Sør Eikje isn´t online, is coming, could this area be called Førdesfjorden in 1800?
Uncertain about this.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 19/05/2009 : 08:02:22
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More evidences Neville.
Abelviig was in Skjold parish, todays Tysvær.
This must be Omunds younger brother:
Axel Hansen Abelvig born about 1769 married to Guri Zachariasdatter.
A daughter Johanna was born on Abelvig 1794, christened April 20 as Johanna AxelsDr Abelviig, right page left column, 11. line from bottom.
Genealogists from Karmøy Slektsforum tells:
Omund Hansen settled down on Stoggedal in the 1790s, unknown parents.
Axel Hansen settled down on Hinderager, Avaldsnes between 1801-1805, he came from Skjold, unknown parents.
Axel got three children; Johanna born on Abelviig, Omund born 1801 on Næs in Skjold and Ragnilla born 1805 (died same year) on Hinderager Avaldsnes, right page top:
Axel Hansen Hinderager and Guri Sachariasdatter daughter Ragnilla
Omunds daughter Bertha Omundsdatter Stokdahl (Stoggedal) was Ragnillas godmother.
When Omund Hansen Abelvig´s daughter Kari was baptized 1788 in Skjold Axel Hansen Abelvig was one of the godparents, bottom left page last person here.
Aksel Hansen died on Klubben, mentioned as Ao-7, Other occupants nr 7, Hinderager August 1825, age 60 #21
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Neville Rasmussen
Junior member
South Africa
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Posted - 19/05/2009 : 09:35:41
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Kåre Hi!
Thanks for all the info. Slowly Omund Hansen is being revealed! Seems as if he might have come from Hordaland? I also found a reference with regard to Helga (Asselines out of wedlock daughter) in BØ , is that in Nordland or a seperate county?
The story of Asseline is interesting, today hardly any eybrows raised at illegitimate children but back in the time she lived it must have been quite a scandal! I see from her marriage to Omund in 1803 that Helga would have been 12. Did Asseline continue to work for the widow or did she live with the father Helga (Helge) Isaksen Iljarås, or have I got it wrong?
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Kåarto
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Posted - 19/05/2009 : 23:13:22
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You are welcome Neville.
I assome Asseline worked for the widow until she married Ommund Hansen Stoggedal (married 3. time), Helga Helgesdatter born out of wedloc married Thomas Christensen Tunga, Avaldsnes.
You are right about Bø is a parish in Nordland County, northern Norway, it´s 16 parish´s named Bø spread all over Norway, some are incorporated on other parish´s.
I think we are getting near the mark, Omund and Axel Hansen was likely from Skjold (Shield) parish, todays Tysvær.
We can exclude Omund Abelvik from Hordaland, Fjelberg parish, who had a daughter Kari born 1792, he was actually Omund Albriktsen Abelvik married to Tale Ingebriktsdatter.
We can assume it was a big scandal, especially before 1730, from my knowledge it went not bad for these children, my own gg grandmother Anne was born out of wedlok 1802, it went well for her.
In Norway 1760 2,5 % was born out of wedloc, 6 % around 1800, 12,5% in 1970.
After 1760 the conditions for the mother was improved, a major reason was because many could not afford to get married.
It was the mother and her family who was responbsible to bring up/raise the child, after 1763 the father was ordered to pay for the child the first 10 years, from1790 the father could be send to prison if he ignored his obligation.
About 1670-1730 a child born out of wedloc, in addition it wasn´t reported to the outhorities "Føde i dølgsmål" and the child died in birth, if the outhorities get knowledge to that the mother was taken to cort and sentenced to death, after 1730 most ot the poor girls was pardoned by the king.
I have some interesting information for you (after work tomorrow) concering ancestors after Akel Hansen Abelvig (Hinderager) and Guri Sakariasdatter.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 20/05/2009 : 20:11:43
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Hi.
Normally when a child was baptised traditional naming was used; oldest son was named after the fathers father, oldest daughter named after the fathers mother, 2. oldest son after the mothers father etc.
Omund Hansen Abelvig/Stoggedal was married 4. times, his naming practice can be difficult to follow.
Axel Hansen Abelvig/Hinderager was married only once, he got three children, Johanna, Omund and Ragnilla (Ragnil).
Because of that if the theory correspond Omund and Axel Hansen Abelvig was born to Hans Omundsen and Johanna (unknown last name).
In 1900 Kvalavåg consisted of 17 farms, today it´s more.
Descendants after Axel Hansen Abelvig/Hinderager and his son Omund Axelsen born 1801;
Omund Axelsen married Anne Gurine Andersdatter Kvalavåg, i son Anders, Omund married 2. time 1854 to Marta Kristine Sveinsdatter 1824-93, settled down on Kvalavåg farm nr 2 named Skarvberget, 5 children.
Ommunds son from his 1. marriage Anders Omundsen 1838-73 settled down on Kvalavåg farm nr 1, his son Axel Kristian Andersen Kvalavåg born 1873 emigrated to USA in 1893, left page #14
Ommund Axelsen´s oldest daughter from his 2. marriage, Marta Karine 1854-1934 married Andreas Andersen Vedøy 1860-1940, takes over Skarvberget, 9 children, see here
- Anders born 1881, unknown destiny
- Axel 1883-1923 married Stine Josefine Johannesdatter born 1880, 8 children
- Anna Kristine born 1885 married Bendik Mandius Olsen born 1880, settled down on Fosnaneset Avaldnes, farm name Fosen, 3 children
- Alfred 1886-1926 married Urbertine Kristofa Simonsdatter Kvalavåg, settled down on Kvalavåg farm 16 named Sandvik, 5 children.
- Marte Kristine born 1890 married Simon Johan Tørresen born 1888, settled down on Kvalavåg nr 21 named Austheim, 4 children
- Tore Martin born 1893 married Helga Bergljot Andreasdatter born 1893 settled down on Kvalavåg farm 13 named Soltun, 5 children
- Anna Gurine born 1896 married Simon Andreas Simonsen born 1896, settled down on Kvalavåg nr 11 farm name Sandviksklubben, 2 children
- Mathilde Helene 1896-1982 married Peder Severin Pedersen 1894-1958, settled down on Kvalavåg farm 10, farm name Neset.
- David born 1899 married Magda Teodora Haaland, unknown destiny.
Family tree for Asseline Rasmusdater Landanes, Axel Hansen Hinderager and Omund Hansen Stoggedal etc. is here, enter surnames down page, the owner, see bottom page, has likely information to share.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 21/05/2009 : 10:59:00
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The records for Skjold is inclomplete, likley there are documents in the archives on this family (not online), more information could be found in the "Bygdebooks" for Tysvær.
Qualevaag/Kvalavåg, farthest inside a small, shallow bay "våg" was a perfect place for whaling, groups of Grindhval was lead into the trap.
An important contribution for these farms in the old days.
It´s several "Hvalvågs" along the Norwegian coast.
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Neville Rasmussen
Junior member
South Africa
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Posted - 21/05/2009 : 18:27:26
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Kåre Hi!
Gosh you have dug up much more informtaion, thank You, how you read the old handwriting is amazing.
Is there anyway to find out the marriage dates of Omund's first two wives ? (Unknown and Inga Oldsdatter)
I found that the Norway Relatives site is good for making printouts of information for my records, thank you for pointing me to it .
There is a note on Omund Hansen that says (I think) the his first wife, the unknown one had a stepfather called Jon Kolbeinsen of Århaug in Sør Eikje in Førdesfjorden, I can't find him. I thought perhaps that there migh be a clue to the first wife.
Also was Omund the owner of his portion of Stogdal or only a worker there? (Occupation listed as Gårdbruker)
The information on how they used to catch the whales is interesteing it's the same technique that the Inuit (Eskimo) in Greenland and Northern Canada used to do it, except for them it was bigger whales. Nowadays there is a big problem with this way of catching them and it is banned in many places
Neville
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Kåarto
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Posted - 21/05/2009 : 21:13:11
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Neville Hi, you are welcome.
Intereseting family to work with, you must have a large quantity of relatives all over Avaldsnes, Kvalavåg country side and surrounding areas today.
Gårdbruker "farmer" means Omund was the owner of Stoggedal.
Leasholder/Tenantfarmer/Cottager is mentiond as "Huusmand" in the censuses.
Today Nowegian whalers are hunting about 500-800 Vågehval from a population of about 100 000 in the north Atlantic.
We can assume that Grindhval (Long-finned Pilot Whale) was a part of the diet on Kvalavåg.
I will sheck out Jon Kolbeinsen Sør Eikje in Førdesfjorden to see if there is any information on him.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 21/05/2009 : 22:22:24
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Sør Eikje/ Eike-/Eiche Søndre in Førdesfjorden is located to Avaldsnes parish, 12. from top
Joen Colbeinsen Aarhaug, a sub farm under Sør Eikje, was married to Ingeborg Pedersdatter, both in the 1. marriage, age 66 on Eiche Søndre in 1801.
Because of that we know Omund Hansen Abelvig´s 1. wife was Ingeborg Pedersdatter´s illegitimate daughter.
No children living on the farm, Borgilla Pedersdatter age 56, unmaried, was Ingeborgs sister.
Joen and Ingeborg married in Nedstrand sub parish, he was from Amdal in Nedstrand, she was from Sandvig (Nedstrand) they married in Nedstrand, Tysvær July 13. 1766, left page third from top:
Troloved Ungkarl and Matrods....Engaged bachelor and sailor Jone Colbensen Amdahl with Ingeborg Pedersdatter Sandvig.
Witnesses: Steen Helle and Thore Hetland.
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Neville Rasmussen
Junior member
South Africa
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Posted - 22/05/2009 : 19:50:35
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Kåre Hi!
In a previous post: we established that Omunds stepdaughter was Helga
"Omunds step daughter Helga was born out of wedloc to Asseline Rasmusdatter about 1791, see 1801 census as Helga Jillesdatter (wrongspelling) age 10, she was likely born on Landanes, her father was according Family Search Helge Isaksen Eileraas from Sveio parish in Hordaland county (next county north of Karmøy)."
Does this mean that her name would have changed to Hansensdatter or stay the same as was recorded with the birth
Then the post above says that:-
Because of that we know Omund Hansen Abelvig´s 1. wife was Ingeborg Pedersdatter´s illegitimate daughter.
Is this because because she married Joen Kolbeinsen only at age 66 ? and would not have had time to have a child old enough to marry Omund in 1803?
How do we know she was born out of wedlock? and also does this mean the previously unknown wife No1 is now confirmed as "unknown first name kolbeinsensdatter" or did stepchildren keep the name of the mother and so she would be "unknown Pedersdatter"
If the naming system worked would it be likely that the mother's first name would be either Berta or Johanna or Kari as the children of Omund and his no 1 wife were named?
I must say that these ancient people certainly sometimes married at very old ages! was this part of the custom because farms needed men and women to survive the hard life of those days?
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Kåarto
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Posted - 23/05/2009 : 00:28:02
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Helga kept last name Helgesdatter (Helges daughter) named after her father Helge Isaksen from Eilleraas in Sveio the whole life, she married as Helga HelgesD: Stockdahl age 23, Stephchild to Omon Hansen Stockdahlen, 2. column #18
Ingeborg Pedersdatter was according the 1801 census for Aarhaug, Søndre Eikje 66 years old, means she was born about 1735, it was her 1. marriage in 1766 to Jon Colbeinsen, (see 1801 census; Givt 1te gang).
Ingeborg´s unknown daughter was Jon Colbeinsen´s steph daughter, she was born out of wedloc before Ingeborg married in 1766, likely born between 1755-65, she was Omund Hansen´s first wife, they married about 1784 when Johanna was born, 2. daughter Kari was born 1788, Omund married 2. time to Inga Olsdatter 1793 so Omund´s first wife died in Skjold in Tysvær between 1788-93 (age could be between 23-38)
The records for Skjold/Tysvær 1743-1802 is unfortunately incomplete, but we have the funerals for this period, no safe cadidates.
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Neville Rasmussen
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South Africa
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Posted - 23/05/2009 : 16:37:19
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Kåre Hi!
If you are interested I have placed a photo of Berthe Maline Gård (my Great Aunt) and her children at http://jimmyjamjarsblog.blogspot.com I am still wondering if she remarried in Norway or after the settled in the USA (refer to earlier post with 'passport' listed as widow and children). As there is a 1943 picture of Emma and her father. I will still have to check in America to see if I can find out, another task for the future!
Come to think of it if their name was Walker,in USA maybe it was the step father's surname, and not as I suspected that they changed their name from Gård to Americanise it, although that is what I understood from Emma.
Neville
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Kåarto
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Posted - 23/05/2009 : 17:34:53
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Thanks for sharing the photo Neville, it´s not often we are able to see photos of emigrants we have been working with.
Most likley Emma remarried in USA , perhaps to a Walker. I assume Gård (Farm) wasn´t easy to Americanize.
Genealogy is never ending, you must have a lot of familymembers in USA to look after, let´s hope someone looking for the same family drop in her.
About Omund Hansens first wife, I think she died on Abelvik at Skjoldastraumen
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