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Pam Heaton
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South Africa
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 Posted - 24/06/2009 : 08:22:37
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I have a photograph of my grandmother on the deck of a ship with other passengers with a life belt in front saying "ANDANIA".
It is thought my grandmother first went to Canada in 1923 but the clothing of the passengers does not seem this early. I can account from her voyages back to England in 1930 and returning to Canada in 1931. She returned permanently to England from Canada in about 1936. Could this voyage have possibly been on the Andania and account for the photo I have? I see from Norway-Heritage information on the SS Andani (2) that its last passenger voyages were in 1927. The clothing in the photograph would suggest 1930's rather 1920's. |
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KnudsonFamily
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Posted - 24/06/2009 : 20:17:29
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The Norway-Hertigage site list does have the caveat "The information listed above is not the complete record of the ship"
Ancentry.com does show a ship named Andania arriving in New York in 1936-1939 (I did a limited search on those years). |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/06/2009 : 23:28:07
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Ancentry.com shows these arrivals for the ship SS ANDANIA in the 1930's:
1930: New York: 1,894 passengers
1931: New York: 994 passengers, Boston: 37 passengers
1932: 0
1933: 0
1934: 0
1935: New York: 641 passengers, Boston: 37 passengers
1936: New York: 562 passengers, Boston: 24 passengers
1937: New York: 1,055 passengers, Boston: 14 passengers
1938: New York: 599 passengers
1939: New York: 875 passengers
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 24/06/2009 : 23:38:13
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Pam Heaton
Starting member
South Africa
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Posted - 25/06/2009 : 08:51:29
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Originally posted by lyndal40
What was your grandmothers name when she made the voyages you mention in your posting.
Her name was Edith Lilian Brereton, though she seems to have used Edith Brereton on the other lists. |
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Pam Heaton
Starting member
South Africa
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Posted - 25/06/2009 : 08:55:25
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Many thanks your all this information. I am just starting this so this is a great help. So far her name as only come up on the Duchess of Atholl.
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Ancentry.com shows these arrivals for the ship SS ANDANIA in the 1930's:
1930: New York: 1,894 passengers
1931: New York: 994 passengers, Boston: 37 passengers
1932: 0
1933: 0
1934: 0
1935: New York: 641 passengers, Boston: 37 passengers
1936: New York: 562 passengers, Boston: 24 passengers
1937: New York: 1,055 passengers, Boston: 14 passengers
1938: New York: 599 passengers
1939: New York: 875 passengers
Jan Peter
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Pam Heaton
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South Africa
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Posted - 25/06/2009 : 08:58:39
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Thanks for your input - I am just starting out so all information is welcome.
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Originally posted by KnudsonFamily
The Norway-Hertigage site list does have the caveat "The information listed above is not the complete record of the ship"
Ancentry.com does show a ship named Andania arriving in New York in 1936-1939 (I did a limited search on those years).
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 26/06/2009 : 03:18:40
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| With the information you provided I was able to find her in the manifest for the Duchess of Atholl going from Montreal Canada to Liverpool England. She is listed as being 42 years old and a nurse The ship is listed as part of the Canadian Pacific Line. The manifest gives her destination address as 38 King Street, Higher Broughten, Manchester, England. Her arrival date was October 31, 1930 She s also listed as having lived in Welland Ontario from 1926 to 1930. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 26/06/2009 : 03:45:05
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| She is also found in the manifest for the Montcalm as Edith Lillian Brereton, age 38 born in Manchester, England, travelling from Liverpool England to Montreal Canada date of arrival June 25th , 1926. She is listed as a sister-in-law, however it is not clear to whom she is a sister-in-law to. She is also listed in as having never been in Canada so this was her first trip to Canada. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 26/06/2009 : 04:01:28
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| And she is again found on the manifest of the Duchess of Atholl going from Liverpool, England to Quebec, Canada on 23 Oct 1931. Here her employer is listed as Harry Sommerville , Welland Ontario and a sister is listed as Mary Capes living at 38? King Street ,Broughten , Manchester England. Here she has a Canadian Passport. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 26/06/2009 : 04:15:25
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| The previous three posts are the only listings for voyages for Edith Brereton that I could find in ancestry.com. There are several other listings for Edith Brereton mostly in England. Are you interested in other information on Edith or just in her trips back and forth across the Atlantic. |
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Pam Heaton
Starting member
South Africa
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Posted - 26/06/2009 : 09:20:11
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Hi Lyndal40. Thanks for all your interest. I had already been looking on Ancestry.com and found the crossings you mention but hadn't seen that she gained a Canadian passport. My Grandmother returned to the UK around 1936 and mostly lived at 38 King Street with her sister, May Capes, until she died on 29 July 1978. In Canada she had lived with another sister, Gladys Elisie Milligan, wife of William A. Milligan and that seems to be at Wellandport as you mention. I have located the Milligan's voyages but may post a separate query about that.
I am keen to identify the photo of my grandmother on the Andania and feel sure it must have been taken during her final return to England. I would like to post the photo once I have identified it. My grandmother, Edith Lilian, was the only member of her family who kept in touch with her Canadian sister and family after her return to England and so I have no knowledge of them. Edith Lilian never married, but during her two stays in Canada she left my father, Ernest Wallace Brereton born 6 March 1919, with her sisters, May Capes and Evaline Leach. Evaline's home backed on to May's 38 King Street home, and my father used to live between the two. I am really interested in the kind of life my grandmother must have lived as a single parent in those days. She was already 32 when my father was born. The story goes that she had hoped to take him back to Canada with her when she could manage. Of course my father's illigitimacy was a taboo family topic and was only briefly discussed with my father before she died.
I have seen the 1891 and 1901 Census reports and seen her whole family, which has been most useful.
Again, thanks for your help and interest, Pam
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Originally posted by lyndal40
The previous three posts are the only listings for voyages for Edith Brereton that I could find in ancestry.com. There are several other listings for Edith Brereton mostly in England. Are you interested in other information on Edith or just in her trips back and forth across the Atlantic.
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Pam Heaton
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South Africa
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Posted - 26/06/2009 : 09:24:15
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I have been trying find out if my grandmother was a passenger on any of these voyages and I wondered if you had any tips for me please? I can't even find reference to the ship on Ancestry.com. Many thanks, Pam
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Ancentry.com shows these arrivals for the ship SS ANDANIA in the 1930's:
1930: New York: 1,894 passengers
1931: New York: 994 passengers, Boston: 37 passengers
1932: 0
1933: 0
1934: 0
1935: New York: 641 passengers, Boston: 37 passengers
1936: New York: 562 passengers, Boston: 24 passengers
1937: New York: 1,055 passengers, Boston: 14 passengers
1938: New York: 599 passengers
1939: New York: 875 passengers
Jan Peter
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/06/2009 : 16:10:18
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You can find in ancestry.com the UK Incoming Passenger Lists 1878-1960. Using the Exact Search form type in Andania and various other items such as date of arrival ie 1936 and you will get passengers, quite a large number in fact. However no Edith Brereton for that time frame. In fact using the name Edith Brereton only one trip pops up and that is the one on the Duchess of Atholl from 1930. Using Edith Brereton and Andania shows no results.
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KnudsonFamily
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Posted - 26/06/2009 : 20:35:09
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I don't believe Ancestry.com will be of help on someone on the Andania II outbound for England. I believe it only has the inbound
OliveTreeGenealogy.com states
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Ships Passenger Lists to United Kingdom
All ships carrying passengers in or out of any British port were required by law to deposit an official passenger list with the relevant port authorities The records for all these ship passengers travelling between 1890 and 1960 survives within the collection of original British Board of Trade passenger lists. The only place they can be seen is at the Public Record Office in Kew, England.
There are British inbound lists, but they are not indexed, nor microfilmed. The original inbound lists reside at Kew. These lists are not filmed, not indexed and they are not available on-line.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/06/2009 : 03:54:32
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I am a little confused by KnudsonFamly posting so I copied the wording from the UK Incoming Passenger List section of ancestry.com. Their wording follows:
"About UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
This database is an index to the Board of Trade’s passenger lists of ships arriving in the United Kingdom from foreign ports outside of Europe and the Mediterranean from 1878-1888 and 1890-1960. Information listed on the passenger lists may include: name of passenger, their birth date or age, port of departure, port of arrival, date of arrival, and vessel name.
For more information about this database, click here.
This database is an index to the Board of Trade’s passenger lists of ships arriving in the United Kingdom from foreign ports outside of Europe and the Mediterranean. Exceptions to this are vessels that originated outside of these areas but then picked up passengers in European or Mediterranean ports en route. The UK port of arrival was not necessarily the final destination of the ship. In addition, the names found in the index are linked to actual images of the passenger lists, copied from The National Archives (TNA) collection series BT26.
The passenger lists date from 1878 to 1888 and 1890 to 1960. However, many of the pre-1890 lists were irregularly destroyed by the Board of Trade in 1900. Therefore, there are not many lists included in this database that date from these earlier years.
Separate lists were kept for British (and Commonwealth) passengers and Alien passengers. In addition, there was a variety of form types used throughout the years. These differences in forms may result in a variety of information recorded for different passengers."
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