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Eric Larsen
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 Posted - 28/12/2009 : 19:02:46
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I am looking for any information regarding an Olga (Alga) Larsen and a Florence Larsen, both were sisters who were orphaned in Boston around the turn of the century. 1901-1908. (They had two brothers named Peter (b-1894) and Oscar (b-1896), both of whom are accounted for and did not leave the USA. It is possible that Olga and Florence changed their last names when they were sent back to Norway? … not sure.
What we know: Edward Larsen and Marrianne Neeraas came to Boston in 1892 and shortly afterwards were married there. (They traveled to Boston with a Ludvig Larsen which I believe was a relative of Edward’s) The family lived in Chelsea, Massachusetts and they had the following children:
Olga (b-10/4/1892), Peter (b-2/12/1894), Oscar (b-8/1/1896), and Florence (b-7/1899) all were born in Chelsea, Massachusetts.
Father, Edward Larsen died in 1901 due to an illness, and mother Marrianne died in 1908 of the same illness though she was in a hospital for several years prior to that. This means that the children were probably on their own or with relatives by about 1904.
The two boys (Peter and Oscar) became wards of the state and were sent to farms in western Massachusetts to live and work. It is said that the two girls, Olga and Florence were sent back to Norway. I assume they were sent back to relatives and I believe they lived near Kristiansund. I don’t know which side of the family they may have lived with. The Neeraas side seems to have had more contact and ties to the family in Massachusetts, so that is my guess.
The Neeraas family came from Kristiansund, and the family was the following: Parents, Peder Neeraas, Oline Marie Skraeseth Neeraas, children: Marrianne Neeraas, Petra Adolfine Neeraas, Olise Teodora Neeraas, Oline Petrine Neeraas, Hjalmar Emil Neeraas, and Agnis Ingvaida Neeraas. Out of this family, I have passenger lists or US census information that indicates that all but the parents travelled to the US at different times after 1900 and several were known to have stayed in America. This begs the question as to whom was left in Norway for the two orphaned girls to stay with. (Perhaps the grandparents Peder and Oline?) I have one postcard with a picture of Kristiansund on the front that is from “grandma and aunt Alice” , to Oscar Larsen, the late Edward Larsen’s son. It appears to have been sent around or after WW-I. It mentions that “Florence got married on the 13 of Sept. this year” but does not give any more information. I also have two photos that may be related. There are two children named Oscar and Kjill, and the two parents appear in one photo with child Oscar. (I don’t believe that this Oscar is Edward’s son but instead a later relative.) The photos were taken or processed in Kristiansund, and I suspect these may be of Florence, her husband, and children back in Norway but that is just a guess.
The Larsen side of the family is harder for me to trace but I believe they came from Smola, or someplace near the Kristiansund area. Edward Larsen’s parents (I think) were: Lars Eriksen, and Beret Eriksdatter, and children may have been Edward Larsen, Peter Larsen, Marie Larsen, Berte Larsen, Martin Larsen, Eline Larsen.
Other notes:
It appears that Olga and Florence’s mother, Marrianne Neeraas Larsen, took the two oldest children, Olga and Peter back to Norway for a visit or possibly a christening around 1894. I have the return trip passenger lists from Kristiansund to Boston showing this. There is also a flurry of Neeraas siblings coming to Boston beginning shortly after Edward’s death in 1901 (Olise Neeraas) and also a few years after Marrianne’s death in 1908. Some of these people stayed in the US for at least a period of twenty or more years. (Oline Petrine Neeraas, Petra Neeraaas, Hjalmar Emil Neeraas all came in 1910-1912, and stayed until at least 1930) One question I have is about name translations: Could Olise Neeraas be the “aunt Alice” from the postcard? My hunch is that Olga and Florence were sent back with Olise Neeraas after she travelled to Boston in 1901.
I would love to find out more about Olga and Florence, and the family or descendants in Norway. There may have been someone named Eva Brask or Lief Brask tied into this story – possibly more children of Florence?
Thanks for any help.
Eric Larsen
Southport, Maine, USA.
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eibache
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Posted - 28/12/2009 : 19:49:26
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The Neraas family in 1900
Peder Thoresen Neeraas, Oline Marie Neeraas, children: Petra Adolfine Neeraas, Olise Teodora Neeraas, Oline Petrine Neeraas, Hjalmar Emil Neeraas, and Agnis Ingvaida Neeraas.
Edna Florence Marion Larsen was confirmed in Kristiansund 1914, see record #36 unfortunately the parish records have been in a fire, but it is noted that she was baptized July 18 1899 and in the column for parents we find Edvard Larsen and --ianna Larsen.
Is there a postal stamp with year on the postcard?
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Edited by - eibache on 28/12/2009 20:36:03 |
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Eric Larsen
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Posted - 28/12/2009 : 20:41:18
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| Yes, that must be Florence Larsen. Mother's name was often spelled a Marion or Marry Anne and several other variations as well. Florence was born in Chelsea, Mass in July of 1899 so the baptisim must have beeen preformed there. Unfortunatuely there was a masive fire in 1908 that sestroyed almost the entire city so there is probably no point in looking for the records in Chelsea. It is interesting to note that they have added the names "Edna" and "Marion", which must refer to her late parents. Her Chelsea birth certificate says "Florence C. Larsen". This is a good start as it shows that she was sent back. Were there sponsors at confirmations? |
Edited by - Eric Larsen on 28/12/2009 20:53:11 |
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eibache
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Posted - 28/12/2009 : 22:18:36
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It would be a big help if age of Edvard and Marianne at their death (or their birth year) was known.
Also if there was a postal stamp with year on the postcard announcing the marriage of Florence.
The emigration record in 1892 for Edvard (and Ludvig) may be
this.
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eibache
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Posted - 28/12/2009 : 22:27:48
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Mariane with Olga and Peder returning to Mass. in 1895
Marianes father Peder Thoresen Neeraas was born Dec 26 1842, see #12 his parents were Thore Endresen and Anne Jørgensdatter.
Thore Endresen, Neeraas and Anne Jørgensdatter had a daughter Nov 17 1831 and she was baptized Anne Dec 1 1839, see #84
Their son Endre was born Aug 24 1836 and baptized Sept 4, see #49
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Edited by - eibache on 29/12/2009 14:43:09 |
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Eric Larsen
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Posted - 28/12/2009 : 22:50:20
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Originally posted by eibache
It would be a big help if age of Edvard and Marianne at their death (or their birth year) was known.
Also if there was a postal stamp with year on the postcard announcing the marriage of Florence.
The emigration record in 1892 for Edvard (and Ludvig) may be
this.
Marianne was born in May 1871 in Kristiansund. She died in Boston on 8/27/1908, but she was hospitalized for about four years with TB before she died.
Edward Larsen was born in July 1863 and may have been christened in Edoy on Nov 27, 1863. He died Jan 21, 1901 in Boston of TB.
I have seen the passenger list that you mention with Edward, Ludvig and Mariane Larsen. (All consecutive passengers) I do not know Luvigs relationship to Edward but he could be a brother or a cousin?
There is no postage satamps on the postcard mentioned in the previous post as it was a larger sized photograph and was probably mailed in an envelope. The writing is on the back but no address or other info.
Do you have a birth place for Peder Neeraas? Also, is there any link to more information on his parents. I do not know any of this.... What I had from the 1875 and 1865 Norwegan census was that Marriane's father's name was Peter Olsen Neeraas with wife Oline Marie Neeraas and family. It says on all of the census from 1865,1875,1900 that this Peter is from Naeseth and Oline Marie is from Kristiansund.
Thanks again for your help! |
Edited by - Eric Larsen on 29/12/2009 03:12:23 |
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eibache
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Posted - 29/12/2009 : 08:14:58
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The baptismal record of Edward is #86 he was born July 24 and baptized Sept 27 1863. His parents were Lars Eriksen and Beret Eriksdatter.
Edward (Edevart), his parents and siblings were living at Lærvig in 1865.
Lars Eriksens parents, Erik Petersen and Johanna Thorstensdatter, were living there as well.
Erik Petersen (Pedersen) was born March 27 and baptized April 2 1802, see 5th record in column for birth/baptism on right page. His parents were Peder Eriksen, Svendsvig and Magreth Knudsdatter.
Peder Eriksen and Magreth Knudsdatter were married July 26 1796, see 2nd couple in column for Ægte viede on right page.
No children are listed with them in the 1801 census.
On Oct 12 1798 Magreth and Petter had a stillborn boy.
The baptismal record for Magreth (actually baptized Margaretha Jan 31 1759) is the 2nd record on left page. Her father was Knud Arentsen, Holmen.
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eibache
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Posted - 29/12/2009 : 08:58:16
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Do you have a birth place for Peder Neeraas?
on the baptismal record it says Øveraas Neeraas - it is likely to think that he was born on Øveraas (Upper Aas) - why Neeraas (Lower Aas) is included is difficult to say.
His brother Endre with family is living with Peders parents Thore Endresen and Anne Jørgensdatter at Neeraas-Bøen in 1865.
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eibache
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Posted - 29/12/2009 : 09:28:43
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Marianes grandparents, i.e. Peder (Thoresen) Neeraas parents, farmer Tore Endresen, Neeraas, 35 years old and Anne Jørgensdatter, Tøndevold in Lessøe, 25 years old were married July 18 1836, see #9.
Thore Endresens father was Endre Tollevsen, Haande (deceased) and Anne Jørgensdatters father was Jørgen Johannesen (also deceased).
Endre Tøllofsen (= Endre Tollevsen) and his wife and children on Haande in 1801. Thore Endresen was 39 years old (not 35) when he married Anne, see his baptismal record Nov 19 1797 (record at 23 S efter Trin.) here |
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Edited by - eibache on 29/12/2009 15:02:02 |
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Eric Larsen
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Posted - 29/12/2009 : 15:38:06
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This is great. I had some of the Edwards side but not that far back.
On the Neeraas side, I am still puzzled by the census info I have when compared to your Peter Thorsen.
1865 census: I have a Peter Olsen, b-1841, Naeset Prgj. Perhaps this is the wrong person but when compared to the later census in 1875, and the 1900 census you mentioned earlier, they (PeterNeeraas) all were listed as being born in Naeseth Pr. The 1875 and 1900 census all include known family members. (1875: Wife Oline, children Marianne, Petra, and in 1900: Wife, Oline, children, Petra, Olise, Oline, Hjalmar, and Agnis.) These are all known siblings of Marriane.
To me, the issue is that the birth place, year and town of residence never change from 1865-1900 if we assume that "Peder" is Peder Olsen. The family unit stays mostly the same from 1875-1900. If "Peter" is Peder Thorsen, then the 1865 census does not jibe with the later two on birth location? We know that the 1875 and 1900 census are the correct person as all the apropriate family members are there, so the question revolves around the 1865 census.
Q: If Peter Neeraas is Peter Olsen:
In all three census, they are living in Kristiansund. Birth dates/ years are also the same in all three census, except for in the 1900 census where it is off by one year, but that "Peter" is not in dispute as we know that he is the correct person.
So, it would appear that based on Peter's birth place, (listed as the same in all three census) from his birth year, (essentialy the same for all three years) and from his residence, (that this is also the same city in all three) that Peder Olsen is possibly the same person as Peter Neeraas all the way through from 1865-1900? Any ideas on this?
Perhaps the answer is to see if the marriage certificate or record is avalible for Peder Neeraas and Oline Marie Skraeseth. This should mention parents names?... places of birth and other information. Since they both may have lived in Kristiansund before they were married, and did live there afterwards, that would be the place to look? (just a guess) |
Edited by - Eric Larsen on 29/12/2009 19:53:09 |
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Eric Larsen
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Posted - 29/12/2009 : 20:29:53
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One other thing I forgot to mention is that we know that Marriane Neeraas parents were "Peter Neraass" and "Oline Skrovset", according to her Boston, Massachusetts death record in 1908. This is one reason that I am confident in the census information for 1875 and 1900 that I reference in past posts.
We also have naturalization and death record information for several other Neeraas siblings who came to the Boston area after Marrianne died. The birth dates on those records also confirm a link to the people in this family unit in the two latter Norwegan census records.
There are also local family accounts from Peter Larsen's family, (my grandfather) who was Marrian and Edwards first son, of these individuals as being aunts/ relatives. (Petra and Oline Neeraas) They lived out thier lives in Massachusetts, USA. |
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eibache
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Posted - 29/12/2009 : 20:46:13
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Perhaps the answer is to see if the marriage certificate or record is avalible for Peder Neeraas and Oline Marie Skraeseth.
yes, the answer is in the 6th record here they were married Nov. 24 1870.
Peder Thoresen, Neeraas 28 years old from Nesset and Oline Marie Olsdatter, Skrøvseth 24 years old from Christiansund. His father was Thore Endresen, Neeraas and her father was Ole Johnsen, Skrøvseth.
Peder Thoresen in the 1865 census and Oline Marie Skræseth in the 1865 census.
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Edited by - eibache on 30/12/2009 23:04:21 |
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eibache
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Posted - 29/12/2009 : 21:46:39
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From confirmation records the following is available:
Petra Adolfine Neeraas, father Peder Neeraas, b. March 23 1873, bapt. June 22 1873, conf. Oct 2 1887
Olise Teodora Neeraas, father (burned) Thoresen Neeraas, b. Dec 31 1875, bapt. March 26 1876, conf. April 13 1890
Oline Petrine Neeraas, father (burned) Neeraas, b. July 19 1884, bapt. Aug 14 1884, conf. (burned )1899
Baptismal record for Agnes Ingvalda, see 1st female #105 she was born Sept 2 and bapt. Oct 25 1891, her father Peder was then a merchant.
Baptismal record for Hjalmar Emil, see #48 he was born Febr 25 and bapt. May 1 1887, his father was merchant Peder Thoresen.
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Eric Larsen
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Posted - 29/12/2009 : 21:51:08
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That is hard to read but it looks like you were correct about Thorsen. I agree! : )
Thank you.
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Edited by - Eric Larsen on 29/12/2009 22:28:22 |
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eibache
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Posted - 29/12/2009 : 22:20:10
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That is hard to read but it looks like you were correct about Thorsen
- many parish records are hard to read, but I am quite certain about this one - Peder Neeraas was Peder Thoresen, Neeraas! |
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Eric Larsen
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Posted - 29/12/2009 : 22:24:36
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I have a copy of the 1875 Norwegan census from the same website you are using, but with English translations.
It shows:
Peder Neraas, hf og Leieboer, g, Dagarbierer, 1841, Naeseth Pr.
Oline Neraas, Kone, g, 1848, Chrsund.
Marianne Neraas, d, Underholdes af Faderen, 1872, Chsund.
Petra Neraas, d af P. Neeraas, ForsOrges af Faderen, 1873, Chrsund.
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