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Wayne Mabee
Starting member
Canada
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 Posted - 04/02/2010 : 06:25:53
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 04/02/2010 : 17:55:23
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Hi,
Well great Wayne we'll look forward to hearing any results.
In the meantime, can one of the Norwegian interpreting forumites take at look at #73 Jacob Andreas. I'm having trouble reading parts of the parents' names:
Source information: Finnmark county, Hammerfest, Parish register (official) nr. 4 (1843-1856), Birth and baptism records 1848, page 42.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=296&idx_id=296&uid=ny&idx_side=-47
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050304020280.jpg
Here is Jacob's confirmation record and he is identified as Søderlund, he's #1 on the page. More clarification on parents' names and text needed:
Source information: Finnmark county, Hammerfest, Parish register (official) nr. 5 (1857-1869), Confirmation records 1863, page 166.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=297&idx_id=297&uid=ny&idx_side=-147
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050304020765.jpg
Thanks & Hilsen,
Jackie M. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 04/02/2010 18:28:05 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 04/02/2010 : 19:37:30
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Illegitimate child
Parents: Jakob Friedrichs and girl Karoline Kristine Andreasdatter.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 04/02/2010 : 19:44:36
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| Pige Caroline Kirstine Jacobsdatter der opgaw som Barnefader Ungkarl og Bødker Jacob Frederichs, der ? ?. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 04/02/2010 : 20:53:28
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Hi,
Thanks jwiborg & eibache for the help!
Perhaps his father / grandfather are ones from whom the Fredricks. used in Jacob's departure from Norway originates.
Also opens the possibility that Jacob has brothers not just from his parents' union but also 1/2 brothers from both his mother's marriage and from his father's other potential relationships.
Has anyone on forum looked at the Jacob Soderlund b. Aug 1879 Finland found in his brother's, John Soderlund b. Mar 1872 Finland household in Wisconsin, Douglas County, Superior in the 1900 US Fed census? Superior and Duluth are side by side each other, so may bear keeping in mind...
Mange takk!
Jackie M. |
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Wayne Mabee
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 11/02/2010 : 18:36:49
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Originally posted by Wayne Mabee
I'll check it out, could take a while.
Sure is hard to get information from the government on a death cert. without having one to prove they are dead.Maybe a picture of the headstone would help. Don't give up on me
Thanks
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Wayne Mabee
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 12/02/2010 : 04:14:09
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Illegitimate child
Parents: Jakob Friedrichs and girl Karoline Kristine Andreasdatter.
Jan Peter
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2010 : 04:53:06
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Hi,
Wayne do you have a picture of his headstone? Having an exact birthdate (found on the stone) might be a help looking in the Norwegian records.
If his service was handled by a funeral home and the home is still in the business, it might be another place to get records on Johan Marius!
Jackie M. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 15/02/2010 : 03:46:04
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Hi Wayne,
Going back aways, looking for the son of Jacob Soderlund named Thormod who migrated with his folks.
At www.rootsweb.com there is a Thormod Soderlund b. 14 Feb 1882, citizen of Norway listed in the lists of WWI registrants database, residence of Mineral Montana. The birthdate is pretty close to 1883 as given in the migrants list and Thormod is a fairly unusual name over here.
Does your friend know where in Montana his parents married?
Jackie M. |
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Wayne Mabee
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 15/02/2010 : 06:17:11
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| I will check it out were in Montanta they were married,he told me but like a dummy I didn't write it down. I also have to check with him if he has a picture of the headstone. If not then it only a 45 min. drive to the place were johan is buried. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 15/02/2010 : 18:01:38
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Originally posted by jkmarler
At www.rootsweb.com there is a Thormod Soderlund b. 14 Feb 1882, citizen of Norway listed in the lists of WWI registrants database, residence of Mineral Montana. The birthdate is pretty close to 1883 as given in the migrants list and Thormod is a fairly unusual name over here.
Jackie M.
Tormod Søderlund (son of Jacob Andreas Søderlund & Anna Gurine Torsteinsdtr) is born www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2794&idx_id=2794&uid=ny&idx_side=-111" target="_blank">14-FEB-1883. (#3, bottom)
Jan Peter |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 15/02/2010 : 21:03:18
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Hi jwiborg!
Mange takk for the look for & finding of Tormod. It says he was born in Trondhjem and the confirmation takes place in Stjørdal or Nedre Stjørdal. Perhaps the latter is where John Marius was confirmed also?
The estimated birthdate for John Marius of 1876-1879 could also mean that he was illegitimate (if Jacob and Anne Gurine are his parents of course and if they were married in 1879 as reported in the LDS records and J.M. was born in the earlier years.) You don't have to be born where your father is, but you and Mom are a package deal! The LDS records show her as from Stjørdal, too and her farm name as Husby.
Wayne I was just curious if there might be a geographical connection between that Thormod Soderlund and where Johan Marius got married.
Takk again,
Jackie M. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 15/02/2010 : 23:41:07
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The best option I have for one Johan Marius Søderlund in Norwegian databases are this one.
It says born 1876 in Kristiansund, Møre og Romsdal.
And it's quite interesting then that Jacob and Anna have a son Kasper born 1880 in Kristiansund.
Johan Marius could be confirmed in Trondheim ab. 1891. I have been looking for him under Nedre Stjørdal, without success. It would be interesting to know when this family moved from Trondheim to Stjørdal. It must have been before September 1894.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 16/02/2010 : 00:00:29
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I posted a query at Digitalarkivet tonight, to see if we could get some hits from local genealogists. This is what I got:
The farm Nardo is situated under the farm Haabet in Stjørdal. The family is mentioned in Stjørdalsboka Volume II, part I, page 110:
Jacob Andreas Søderlund, born in Hammerfest 1847.
Married to Anna Gurine Alstad.
4 children mentioned; Kaspar, Tormod, Sigrid and Karoline Kristine.
Nothing mentioned about one Johan Marius, but we can't give up...
Jan Peter
ps: Census-1900 list the family under the farm Nardo, while the confirmation records for the children says residence = Haabetsvald. This must be the same farm. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 16/02/2010 : 03:34:10
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Hi Jan Peter,
Thanks for looking and finding! Bygdeboker are great resources but often the authors have rules on who is in and who is out...I've run into this with some of the bygdeboker from other places wherein children born in other parishes than those covered in the book aren't known by the researcher and author and are not included or are known but not covered in as great detail as those children born in the parish of interest...So it goes. In one family which had moved to another parish after the first two children were born, the parents got their permissions from the parish in which they lived when leaving for America but the first two children got their permissions from the parish where they were born. Lots of possible variations
It might be worth a roll of the dice on the temporary membership to get the full obits of both Jacob Andreas Soderlund and his wife Anna Gurine Soderlund to see if any more of the names of survivors are mentioned. There is also a Fredrick Soderlund who died in the Duluth (aged 67) before 1922, aged to be contemporary of Jacob if he was Norwegian. But I don't know his nationality. And also re Thormod / Tormod, there is a little news story 24 Dec 1916 about a Selma Johnson from Duluth going to Portland Oregon to marry a Thomas Soderlund who was formerly from "West Duluth" There are a powerful lot of Soderlunds from Sweden but not so many from Norway....
Also there is a "Segred Soderlund" at the Bureau of Land Management site who took a homestead in Eddy county, North Dakota in 1899. I wonder if she is Jacob's child....Less likely as 1st naturalization papers in 1892 renouncing Sweden rather than Norway...
Lots of possibilities to explore....
Jackie M.
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