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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 10/04/2010 : 00:01:34
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Hi,
This from the Rowberg File, fiche 1071--
Christian Olson
from the Decorah Posten 27 Feb 1947
"Fra Astoria Oregon.
Jeg eg født i Sandsvaer Prestegjeld og konfirmert i Hedenstad kirke. Den 4de July 1946 syldte jeg 72 Aar og jeg har laest "Decorah Posten" hele tiden siden i Slutten av '70-aarene.
Den har tylgt mig trofast hvor jeg har vaeret, baade i Pelican Rapids, Minn., og i Fosston, derfra til Antelope, Mont., og saa till tilbage til Fosston i 1918. De sidste Vintre har heg opholdt meg hos min Datter, Mrs. A. Kvistad i Astoria. Men om Vaaren reiser jeg tilbage til Antelope. Min hustru døde for 5 1/2 Aar siden. 'Venlig hilsen til "Posten" og alle dens Laesere fra
Christian Olson."
Hilsen,
Jackie M. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 10/04/2010 00:09:33 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 00:20:54
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Jackie: Execellent work!  But I can't get his age to fit... he should be 92 years old in 1946... not 72 y.o.? Is it a typo?
Decorah Posten, Feb. 27th 1947
From Astoria, Oregon.
I am born in Sandsvaer Parish and confirmed in Hedenstad church. On the 4th of July 1946 I turned 72 92 years old, and I have read the "Decorah Posten" since I was in my late 70's.
It has followed me faithfully wherever I have been, both in Pelican Rapids, Minn., and in Fosston, and from there to Antelope, Mont., and then back to Fosston in 1918.
For the past winters I have stayed at my daughter, Mrs. A. Kvistad in Astoria. But during the spring I (always) go back to Antelope. My wife died 5 1/2 years ago.
Best regards to "Posten" and all it's readers from
Christian Olson.
"A. Kvistad" could be Arthur W Kvistad in Astoria, Clatsop, Oregon, born 01 Dec 1906, dead Dec 1965.
Jan Peter |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 01:17:37
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Christian Olsen was born June 6. bap. Carl Christian Olsen Oct. 10. 1854, born out of wedloc, see #108
Actually, the date reads June 4th.
He claims to be born July 4th, so it could be that the priest wrote down the wrong month at the christening.
Jan Peter |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 05:07:20
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Hi,
Yes, I thought the 72 years were suspicious too but the fiche is most clearly 72 so....But this fellow seems to be in all the right places, so likely is a typo. Has anyone found a death record for him? We have only to look in Oregon, Montana, Minnesota and anyplace inbetween.
Well, for someone in America being born on the 4th of July is a most excellent date!
Hilsen,
Jackie
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 10:18:57
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I think the handwritten letter from Chris Olson must have been deciphered incorrectly at the Decorah Post' Desk. There are other errors in the letter as well:
syldte - fyldte
72 - 92
tylgt - fulgt
heg - jeg
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Kåarto
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 10:34:18
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Hi
It´s no problem typing errors as I did above.
Also Chistians Olsen Flata´s confirmation Oct. 10. 1868 in Hedenstad church tells he was born June 4. 1854, see #12
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jwiborg
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 10:54:57
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Strange.
Christening records (written both by the priest and the parish clerk) says June 4th. Confirmation record says June 4th.
Census 1900 says July, and he himself claim to be born on 4th of July...
However, there is no doubt that this is the right guy.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 16:34:06
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A agree;
this is the right Christian Olsen.
Acc. the census there were only two Christian (Kristian) Arthur (Artur) in the whole Norway in 1865, Christian Arthur Smith age 1 and Christian Fredrik Arthur Staib age 9, both in Oslo.
If the date on baptism was incorrect the same mistake followed his confirmation record, it may not mean anything but the time between his birth and bapism was 2-3 months longer than the averarge.
There are more errors from Sandsvær, the reason for my understanding is that I grew up on Ormetangen which was about 5 minutes walk from Bustul.
The 1801 census states that Kittil Olsen age 8 (died 1868) and 5 siblins and parents lived on farm Raje.
It is wrong, Raje is not a farm but an area south in Sandsvær on a hill or ridge far from most peole (wilderness), the family lived on Haugplass farm nr 53/13 under Søndre Bø (10 minutes walk from Bustul).
It was Kittil´s brother Ole Olsen age 2 who settled down on Ormetangen and his son Ole who bought Bustul from Kittil Olsen´s widow Sara Hansdatter.
Further down in the same census is my ancestors John Gregarsen and Aaste Olsdatter (wrongspelled Ragnild), they lived on farm Haugplassen nr 56/16 (Haugstullen under Nordre Øyen). Aaste´s ancestor Halvor Olsen 1707-91 was the first settler on Bustul.
Ole Torstensen bap. March 4. 1752 was from Hwamre in Rollag and Margit Kittilsdatter bap. Jan. 23. 1759 was from Hwammen, they married in Rollag stave church Oct. 8. 1786, see last posting right page here.
1880 John Gregarsens grandson with the same name bought Haugplass nr 53/13.
Annual rent for Bustul that could grow ab. 10 acres (1863) paid to Søndre Bø was 2 Speciedaler 2 Ort ( 5 ort was one Daler)
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Edited by - Kåarto on 10/04/2010 18:19:38 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 10/04/2010 : 21:44:32
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Another clue: You mentioned that Carl Arthur Olson had a brother named Otto.
Census-1900 for Fosston village, Polk, MN showed that Chris Olson had a son Otto W Olson, b May 1891 in Minnesota.
An Otto Olson born 10 May 1891, died Apr 1972 in Whitetail, Daniels, MT.
Would that be Carl Arthur's brother?
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/04/2010 : 04:52:06
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Hi,
This is from Nordmaendene i Amerika by Martin Ulvestad, page 841:
"Olson, Christian, udv. fra Flata, Sandsvaer, 1871; "General Store" i Fosston, Minn., 1894-1910; siden i Antelope, Montana."
Antelope, Montana is in Sheridan County, Montana.
At the Bureau of Land Management land patent search in Montana, Carl Arthur Olson did get land, several parcels in Township 34 North, Range 56E, in sections 30, 31, 32 in 1915. There is a Christian Olson who also took "Indian Land" in Twp 34 N, R 56 E, section 20 and section 28 in 1926 and 1930 in Sheridan County. But interestingly, there is also an entry for a "Carl C. Olson" in Twp 34 N, R56E, sections 19, 30 also 1915.
It might be that Carl Christian Olson is sometimes Carl Olson, sometimes Chris or Christ or Christian Olson and possibly at others Carl or Christian Kittelson.
And lastly, there is a plainish database in both Ancestry and Rootsweb which has both Carl Arthur Olson and Carl Christian Olson. There appears to be no connection between the two in the database. CC's birth year is given as 1859 and birthdate as 4 July and deathdate as 22 May 1954--which latter date we know is possible since he is still alive in 1947.
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?surname=olson&given=carl+christian
In the Minnesota naturalization database at the Iron Range Interpretive site there are 3 listings for Carl Christian Olson. The two from Otter Tail County are listed below. The third is for a Carl Christion Olson aged 39 registering as an alien -- from the late 19teens.
CARL CHRISTIAN OLSON
Location: OTTER TAIL
State: MINNESOTA
Reel #: 4
Vol #: E
Code #: 13
Page #: 255
CARL CHRISTIAN OLSON
Location: OTTER TAIL
State: MINNESOTA
Reel #: 1
Vol #: A
Code #: 2
Page #: 9
Some of the extraneous "typos" you mentioned could also come from me since the face was a gothic style and a little hard to read f and s. But the translation of the text indicates a greater age than 72--saying "since my late '70s" implies he's beyond 72 and even if it were translated to say "since the late '70s" would mean since the 1870s, not likely reading for a 4-10 years old child as he would have to have been in 1947 and 72.
Here are two Oregon Kvistad women's entries from SSDI who would be generationally correct to be a Mrs. A. Kvistad:
MADELINE KVISTAD 13 Nov 1903 02 Sep 1995 97103 (Astoria, Clatsop, OR) (none specified) 540-24-1601 Oregon
CECILE KVISTAD 05 Sep 1912 May 1966 97103 (Astoria, Clatsop, OR) (none specified) 541-09-2227 Oregon
Hilsen,
Jackie M. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 11/04/2010 05:08:38 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/04/2010 : 10:55:40
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Interesting, Jackie!
Could it really be that we are talking about two different persons after all? It certainly starts to look like that. The man from Sandsvær parish, Buskerud have never been titled "Arthur", but I thought that could be a "misunderstanding" from the family history, since he have a son titled Carl Arthur.
I think we need to get some feedback from the owner of this topic soon, regarding the findings.
And Marilyn: Do you have any dates (birth,death) regarding your Carl Arthur Olson or his brother Otto?
And is it possible to find more details about Carl Artur's marriage with Nettie Modahl in 1916 in Culbertson, Montana?
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CJ Tweeton
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Posted - 12/04/2010 : 03:06:45
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I am pretty sure I called the first daughter of Hans and Bertha kittelson by the wrong name. It should be Sophie Ouren. I received much initial help on my family from Gerd Næss in Sandvær. She sent a story about the King riding by and stopping to eat with his men at the place of Kittil and Sara. This was found by Gerd in the Kongsberg Archives, I believe. I may not have this completely correct as my notes from Gerd are put away.
As to Mathilda Fogelberg (Mrs. Christ Olson) I have received this info: born April 18, 1859 in Hamre Vestregs,H inneryd, Kronoberg, Sweden and died August 15, 1941 in Fosston, Polk county , MN. She married Carl Christian Olson N ov. 19, 1877 in Pelican Rapids, MN , son of Ole Kittelson and Karen Hanson. He was born July 04, 1854 in Sandsvær, Kongsberg, Norway, and died May 22, 1954 in Montana. Mathilda and Christ moved from Pelican Rapids to Fosston, MN in 1894, where Christ was in partnership with his brother-n-law, Joel Fogelberg, in a general store. In 1910 Christ moved the store to Antelope , Montana and ran the store with his sons Otto and Arthur. Mathilda and Christ moved back to Fosston in 1918.
The info I have states that Carl Olson and Nettie Modahl
Olson are buried at Sunset Memorial Park, St. Anthony, Hennepin County, Minnesota. |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 12/04/2010 : 08:49:16
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We need to figure out whether Carl Christian Olson = Christian Arthur Olson in this topic... I'm in doubt...
Jan Peter |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 12/04/2010 : 17:17:53
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Hi,
As one of the earlier posts mentioned Christian & Mathilda Olson are indeed buried in Central Swede cemetery. This is from the transcription of the cemetery on page 10 of Volume III of the Otter Tail County Cemeteries (Erhards Grove Township) by Clare Gibbons, Mel Trieglaff & Nora Willprecht, 1977:
Christian Olson 1854-1954
Mathilda Olson April 8, 1859-August 15, 1941
Also in the same volume at Bagstevold Cemetery page 2 is:
Ole Kittleson Jul 5, 1826-Nov 25, 1916
The following is from First 100 Years 1883-1983 Fosston, Minnesota by the Fosston Centennial Book Committee, LaVerne Jesness and others on page 203, section titled "Fosston Businessmen of 1901":
"...Christian Olson was proprietor of the Chicago Store which carried a large stock of dry goods, furnishings, groceries, flour and feed. He was quite extensively engaged in the manufacture of dairy butter--buying and shipping about 15,000 pounds annually. He was born in Norway in 1854, came to America in 1871, locating in Iowa and a number of other places before coming to Fosston in 1894."
There is a group picture of the businessmen reproduced on page 195 and Christian is pictured. There could be other references to the family throughout but would require a closer read since the book lacks an index.
Hilsen,
Jackie M.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 12/04/2010 : 21:36:05
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Hi.
I have read Gerd Næss interesting book Seterdrift i Sandsvær Life on the pastures in Sandsvær.
Exept for Ormetangen that was a farm, Bustul, Haugplassen, Haugstullen and all the other "farms" on Raje were no farms but small pastures, how a family could survive there with a lot of children are increadible, they must have been very strong people, the only that could grove of cereal was barley if the fall was good, sometimes cold degrees destroyed crops.
It was king Oskar I and his son prince Gustav who stopped on Bustul early September 1845 on way from Skien to Kongsberg.
Some rests of logs that was set over the sofest locations still exist in some bogs.
The name "Kongeveien" Kings road, still exist.
Bagstevold Cemetery you mentioned Jackie is connected to this family.
Halvor Taraldsen Bagstvold b. 1825 in Sandsvær emigrated to USA, d. 1878, where he married Anne Marie Bratlie from Norway.
Their daughter Tilda Marie married Christian Kittilsen b. 1862 on Bustul (Hans Kittilsen son).
Halvor Taraldsen Bagstevold gave land to Bagstevold Church, Erhard, Minn.
Hans Taraldsen´s ancestors goes fare back in Sandsvær.
Kåre
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