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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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 Posted - 09/05/2010 : 21:28:29
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Hi jean.
Sandboka tells shop assistent Carl Adolf Hansen married Karen Emilie 1905 in Røyken was a merchant on Hønefoss
Carl was born on Kampen Østre Aker subparish in Oslo Jan. 5. bap June 13. 1870.
Death record for Elise Martinsdatter Rud 1923;
Died April 30. buried Mai 5. Farmers widow Elise Martinsdatter Rud b. 1841 on Borgen, recidence Rud, cause of death; cancer in stomach.
Has doctor visited during the disease; Yes
Has the death been reported to rhe authorities; Yes
see bottom page #9
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jeanwatt
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 10/05/2010 : 17:36:22
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Hi Kare,
Can you please clarify your last postings? You posted "From the death record March 13. 1912. Peder Amundsen Rud seems to have had a good economy, he was a "Rentenist" lived of the interests of his capital. Died March 13, buried March 23 "Gift" Married Rentenist and former farmer Peder Martinsen Rud b. 1836 on Teie in Eiker, recidence Rud," I am wondering if Peder Amundsen Rud and Peder Martinsen Rud are the same person as on page 5 you posted the death record for Elise Martinsdatter Rud is 1923. If she was alive then there must be a divorce somewhere as I presume a person could only have one wife in Norway. On page one it says that Edvard's parents are Peder Amundsen Søndre-Ruud (b. 16 Oct 1836) & Elise Mortensdatter (b 12 Feb 1842), married 21 Nov 1864. Maybe Peder Martinsen Rud is a cousin? Or there are two Elises and one died earlier so Peder could remarry or there is a divorce somewhere? By the way what does the word Rentenist mean? You also posted: "Martin Pedersen takes over Ruud 1910, Ruud was also called Hagebakken." When you say takes over Ruud do you mean the Rud Sondre farm? Does hagebakken have the same meaning as Ruud or Rud from Old Norse ruð ‘clearing’? Thanks for taking the time to find all this information. It is greatly appreciated. Take care, Jean
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2010 : 20:21:24
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Sorry, I mixed up with two names, my fault Jean.
Peder Martinsen was a wrongspelling, I ment Peder Amundsen Rud (Søndre Rud) Edvard Pedersens father, I have corrected on page 4.
Peder Amundsen Teie and Søndre Rud died 1912, his wife
Elise Mortensdatter Sjøl and Rud died 1923 (in some reccords spelled Martinsdatter)
Martin Pedersen, Edvards brother, inherit Søndre Rud 1910.
Hagebakken is a local name for Søndre Rud.
Hage means garden and bakken means hill.
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jeanwatt
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Canada
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Posted - 11/05/2010 : 07:31:38
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Hi Kare,
I think maybe I misinterpreted what you put down. What does "Gift" mean in your sentence about Peder Amundsen? When I reread what you have down, I now think you mean that he was only married to Elise and he died first in 1912 and his wife died in 1923. Is that correct? Thanks for all the great explanation you have done on what various Norwegian words mean? Jean |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 11/05/2010 : 16:20:47
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Hi Jean,
Gift in Norwegian has two meanings, poison and marriage.
Here it means married.
I messed with all the Martin/Morten names.
Traditional Norwegain naming practice is easy to follow, Peders son was Pedersen and Peders daughter was Pedersdatter, Martins son Martinsen, his daughter Martinsdatter etc.
Edvard Pedersen Ruud´s parents Peder Amundsen Søndre Ruud (died on Søndre Rud 1912) and Elise Mortensdatter Sjøl (died on Søndre Rud1923) married in Sande Nov. 21. 1864, also see Jan Peters posting in page one.
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jeanwatt
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 12/05/2010 : 07:25:44
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Hi Kare,
Thank you for explaining the word gift. I thought it was someone's name. That confused me when I read your sentence. You must get a lot of jokes if gift means poison and marriage in Norwegian. In English a gift is a present. Thank you so much for clarifying what you meant. Take care, Jean |
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jeanwatt
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 22/09/2010 : 01:10:48
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Hi,
I am working on my book and I am wondering how the Sjols and Ruuds first got their farms. From my research I understand that the kings and church owned most of the land long ago. How did the Sjols and Ruuds then manage to purchase their land? Is there any way to find this out? Thanks, Jean |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 22/09/2010 : 09:37:28
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On the top of right page you can see that Peder Amundsen and Jens Andersen bought Rud (g.nr. 51) on an auction Aug 14 1862.
Peder Amundsen later bought Jens Andersens part and in 1910 Peders son Martin bought the farm.
Similar info may be found for Sjøl.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 23/09/2010 : 15:05:45
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Hi Jean.
In the 1300s most of the farmers in Norway were Tenant farmers.
The church owned ab. 40 %, the nobilities 15-20 %, the king 5-10 %, farmers 30-40 % of the land.
A farmer could be partially a freeholder and a tenant farmer.
In contrast to the rest of Europe a tenent farmer was legely a free farmer.
The king owned all land that was not in use, settlers became tenent farmers.
The king recieved 1/6 of the taxes, the church from ab. 1130 1/10 of the crop, socalled "Tiende" a biblical tax.
The rest of the taxes went to maintenance of churches, bridges, roads, provide horses to the king and his men in peace and war, keep 300 ships throughout the country, socalled "Skipreder" with soldiers and weapon "Leidangen" ready in case of war
The reason the church became so rich was beacuse the king, the nobilities and the rich farmers in the last will gave a part in a farm to the monasteries to get the name mentioned in a mass for the salvation of the soul.
The richest farmer in Norway about the mid. 1400 was Sigurd Johnsson from the Sudrheim- /Giske family, he owned more than 1000 farms.
After the Protestantic reformation 1537 the king as the head of the church takes over all the church properties, about 40% of the land and the income of church penalties/fees.
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jeanwatt
Starting member
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Posted - 24/09/2010 : 18:50:56
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Where is Sande I Jarlesberg, Norway?
