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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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 Posted - 16/12/2010 : 23:51:25
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Good finding Jan Peter.
Hopefully a brother Odd to Oscar, seems like Margrete changed lastname from the traditional naming system Olufsen (Olufs child) to her fathers lastname (Oluf) Didriksen.
Odd Normann b. April 20. 1926 in Vatnfjord to "bonde" farmer Alfred Johansen b. 1880 and Margrete Didriksen born 1890, see #18
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/12/2010 : 00:18:13
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Yes, I think it's him. Here is the chr record, #16
Oscar's step-father Alfred Johansen Hauan is the brother of Christian Hawkland.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/12/2010 : 00:28:06
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Oscar Wilson: Oskar Peder Rolv Wilhelmsen, b. 22 Nov 1907, son of Wilhelm Petersen b. 07 Mar 1862 & Margrethe Josefa Olufsen b. 21 May 1891
Oscar's parents:
Margrethe Josefa Olufsen. Her parents: Oluf Didriksen and Anna Magdelene Mathiasdatter
Wilhelm Olavus Petersen. Birth: 07 Mar 1862, Christening: 03 Aug 1862, Vaagan, Nordland.
His parents: Peter Angell Mathiassen & Oline Marie Olsdr
Oluf Bondeborg Didriksen, Birth: 01 Jan 1852
Anne Magdalene Mathiasdr, Birth: 05 Mar 1855
Marriage: 06 Nov 1881 Place: Vaagan, Nordland, Norway
His Father: Didrik Valsett
Her Father: Mathias Olsen
Ditlef Edvard Didriksen, Birth 07 Jun 1856
Elise Josefine Eliasdr, Birth 17 Aug 1852
Marriage Date: 07 Nov 1881, Gimsoy, Nordland
His Father: Didrik Valsett
Her Father: Elias Mikelsen
Johan Jenssen b. 1845 & Jensmine ("Mina") Kristoffersdatter b. 1851.
Children:
Leonhard Sedinius, b 22 Nov 1874
Alfred, born 18-01-1880. = Alfred Johansen Hauan
Kondrad, born 1886
Johan, born 1889
Kristian Nikolai, b. 14 Apr 1894 = Christian Hawkland
Jan Peter |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 17/12/2010 : 01:05:27
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Hi Susan,
I'm sorry, but I got some disturbing news for you. Here are the answer to many of your questions.
Farmer, widower Wilhelm Pettersen
Born 06-Mar-1862
Dead 27 May 1907. Suicide by hanging.
Wilhelm was 45 years old, and made his 16 y.o. servant pregnant... we can only speculate, but the disgrace could be too much to carry. He killed himself 5 months before Oscar was born.
Your questions:
1) Oluf was Anna husband and Margrete's grandfather so this is Margretes Uncle?
Answer: No, Oluf Didriksen and wife Anna are Margrete's parents.
2) I see that my grandfather Oscar was a Pleieson= foster son?
As a single mum in her teens, there was no way she could get enough funds to support her child, so Oscar stayed at his grand-father's house, and was supported by him.
3) Margrete was a foster daughter as well. This is strange. Was this something common?
Her father was a widower in 1900, and had many children to take care off. It was quite common to get help of the neighborhood in such cases.
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 17/12/2010 01:07:02 |
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peder
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Sharonthib
Junior member
USA
64 Posts |
Posted - 17/12/2010 : 04:53:10
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| Thank you everyone for all your hard work! You have all blessed me with your kindness. Now I know why Edna wouldn't talk about him. And why my mother Margaret would say for us not to ask Edna about Oscar. I don't know if they knew the truth and just didnt tell us, I thought it was because of how Oscar died not how he was born. It seems his life was a tragedy. But I want you to know that I still want to know my family in Norway. Oscar had one daughter and has 7 grandchildren, 20 great grandchildren and many to come. He lives on. I am proud to be his grand daughter. I am sad for my great grandmother Margrete. It seems her life was full of sad events. I have a feeling she was a strong woman and lived life to it's fullest. I am and have always been very different from my brothers and sisters. My mother called it strong willed. I think I know where I got it from. I am sad but still have a deep desire to go to Norway and meet my family, walk the land and breath the air. It is almost as if i feel called there. When is the best time of the year to go to Lofoten? |
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Sharonthib
Junior member
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Posted - 17/12/2010 : 05:40:03
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Jan, Where did you find this record about what happened? Did Margrete have to name Oscar after his father? He carried that name to America and My mother kept his name as well. Just by finding this out we know why he was a foster son and she was a foster daughter...So many questions answered by this. Over 100 years before we know why we could not talk ot Edna about Oscar. Wow!
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Hi Susan,
I'm sorry, but I got some disturbing news for you. Here are the answer to many of your questions.
Farmer, widower Wilhelm Pettersen
Born 06-Mar-1862
Dead 27 May 1907. Suicide by hanging.
Wilhelm was 45 years old, and made his 16 y.o. servant pregnant... we can only speculate, but the disgrace could be too much to carry. He killed himself 5 months before Oscar was born.
Your questions:
1) Oluf was Anna husband and Margrete's grandfather so this is Margretes Uncle?
Answer: No, Oluf Didriksen and wife Anna are Margrete's parents.
2) I see that my grandfather Oscar was a Pleieson= foster son?
As a single mum in her teens, there was no way she could get enough funds to support her child, so Oscar stayed at his grand-father's house, and was supported by him.
3) Margrete was a foster daughter as well. This is strange. Was this something common?
Her father was a widower in 1900, and had many children to take care off. It was quite common to get help of the neighborhood in such cases.
Jan Peter
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Sharonthib
Junior member
USA
64 Posts |
Posted - 17/12/2010 : 05:43:53
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You found his brother! Yeah!!! There was so many years between them. I wonder when she had Sigrid... What does "bonde" mean? Thank you so much.
... quote:
Originally posted by Kċarto
Good finding Jan Peter.
Hopefully a brother Odd to Oscar, seems like Margrete changed lastname from the traditional naming system Olufsen (Olufs child) to her fathers lastname (Oluf) Didriksen.
Odd Normann b. April 20. 1926 in Vatnfjord to "bonde" farmer Alfred Joahnsen b. 1880 and Margrete Didriksen born 1890, see #18
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Sharonthib
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 17/12/2010 : 05:48:01
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So many questions... What do you think Rolv was in Oscars name. Thank you for the list. That helps so much. I was getting lost in all the names. I can't wait to make a family tree.
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Oscar Wilson: Oskar Peder Rolv Wilhelmsen, b. 22 Nov 1907, son of Wilhelm Petersen b. 07 Mar 1862 & Margrethe Josefa Olufsen b. 21 May 1891
Oscar's parents:
Margrethe Josefa Olufsen. Her parents: Oluf Didriksen and Anna Magdelene Mathiasdatter
Wilhelm Olavus Petersen. Birth: 07 Mar 1862, Christening: 03 Aug 1862, Vaagan, Nordland.
His parents: Peter Angell Mathiassen & Oline Marie Olsdr
Oluf Bondeborg Didriksen, Birth: 01 Jan 1852
Anne Magdalene Mathiasdr, Birth: 05 Mar 1855
Marriage: 06 Nov 1881 Place: Vaagan, Nordland, Norway
His Father: Didrik Valsett
Her Father: Mathias Olsen
Ditlef Edvard Didriksen, Birth 07 Jun 1856
Elise Josefine Eliasdr, Birth 17 Aug 1852
Marriage Date: 07 Nov 1881, Gimsoy, Nordland
His Father: Didrik Valsett
Her Father: Elias Mikelsen
Johan Jenssen b. 1845 & Jensmine ("Mina") Kristoffersdatter b. 1851.
Children:
Leonhard Sedinius, b 22 Nov 1874
Alfred, born 18-01-1880. = Alfred Johansen Hauan
Kondrad, born 1886
Johan, born 1889
Kristian Nikolai, b. 14 Apr 1894 = Christian Hawkland
Jan Peter
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Sharonthib
Junior member
USA
64 Posts |
Posted - 17/12/2010 : 06:09:06
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Peder I was going through my papers and found Harry and Martha's orginal certificate of naturalization papers! It looks like they came over from Great Britian. I did hear a story about Harry too! He left his wife and kids and ran off with Martha and got remarried here in America. I have never looked for this side of the family either. I do know my cousins from them. Some of them live in NY still. I have never met any of them but a few of my sisters have. I guess I will one day. Would you like me to scan this paper for you to look at. It would be nice to do that side of the family tree too. I wonder how far back we can go in Great Britian? Thank you for all your help. quote:
Originally posted by peder
census for Harry Grant and wife Martha and f amily
Surname
GivenName
Age
Sex
Race
Birthplace
State
County
Location
Year
GRANT
HARRY
45
M
W
ENGL
NY
QUEENS
4-WD QUEENS
1910
Surname
GivenName
Age
Sex
Race
Birthplace
State
County
Location
Year
GRANT
HARRY
51
M
W
ENGL
NY
QUEENS
JAMAICA
1920
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 17/12/2010 : 08:03:00
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quote:
Originally posted by Sharonthib
Jan, Where did you find this record about what happened? Did Margrete have to name Oscar after his father?
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What does "bonde" mean?
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What do you think Rolv was in Oscars name
Just click on Wilhelm's name, and it will take you directly to the original death-record, where the priest have noted down the cause of death. In Norwegian.
Oscar is not named after his father, but the lastname comes from his fathers first name. That was common ("automatic") naming practise.
Rolv is Oscar's 3rd firstname, Similar to Ralph in the US.
Bonde means farmer.
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 17/12/2010 08:05:00 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/12/2010 : 11:10:25
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Looking for more relatives, source;
1900 census for Hauan.
Oscar´s mother Margret Olufsen´s oldest brother Alfred (Emil Marius) Olufsen b. Dec. 23. 1883 moved to Flakstad in Lofoten after 1900 where he married Laura Ingebrektsdatter, 2 children Anny 1907 and Margaat 1910, Alfred´s occ. fisherman, living on farm Tuv, "el and Inderst" lodger and related to the farm owners (probably his wife Laura), see 1910 census for Flakstad municipality here
Kċre |
Edited by - Kċarto on 17/12/2010 11:12:46 |
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Sharonthib
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 17/12/2010 : 17:59:49
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Who was Wilhem Petersen married to and when did his wife die? How many children did he have with his wife? You may have already posted this but I cant find it. Thank you...
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Originally posted by Sharonthib
Jan, Where did you find this record about what happened? Did Margrete have to name Oscar after his father? He carried that name to America and My mother kept his name as well. Just by finding this out we know why he was a foster son and she was a foster daughter...So many questions answered by this. Over 100 years before we know why we could not talk ot Edna about Oscar. Wow!
quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg
Hi Susan,
I'm sorry, but I got some disturbing news for you. Here are the answer to many of your questions.
Farmer, widower Wilhelm Pettersen
Born 06-Mar-1862
Dead 27 May 1907. Suicide by hanging.
Wilhelm was 45 years old, and made his 16 y.o. servant pregnant... we can only speculate, but the disgrace could be too much to carry. He killed himself 5 months before Oscar was born.
Your questions:
1) Oluf was Anna husband and Margrete's grandfather so this is Margretes Uncle?
Answer: No, Oluf Didriksen and wife Anna are Margrete's parents.
2) I see that my grandfather Oscar was a Pleieson= foster son?
As a single mum in her teens, there was no way she could get enough funds to support her child, so Oscar stayed at his grand-father's house, and was supported by him.
3) Margrete was a foster daughter as well. This is strange. Was this something common?
Her father was a widower in 1900, and had many children to take care off. It was quite common to get help of the neighborhood in such cases.
Jan Peter
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Sharonthib
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 17/12/2010 : 18:03:40
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How do i find out who Odd married, kids, his date of death? I know by the letter from my great grandmother Margrete that he was in the same area when Oskar died here in the US. In 1935.
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Originally posted by Kċarto
Good finding Jan Peter.
Hopefully a brother Odd to Oscar, seems like Margrete changed lastname from the traditional naming system Olufsen (Olufs child) to her fathers lastname (Oluf) Didriksen.
Odd Normann b. April 20. 1926 in Vatnfjord to "bonde" farmer Alfred Johansen b. 1880 and Margrete Didriksen born 1890, see #18
Kċre
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/12/2010 : 18:17:45
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Wilhelm Pettersens first wife, see 1900 census for Gimsĝ.
Peter Angel Mathiasen and Oline Olsen are Wilhelms parents. Wilhelm Olavus was born March 7 1862, see
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Edited by - eibache on 17/12/2010 18:21:45 |
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