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ldsmom33
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 Posted - 21/05/2002 : 16:34:16
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I am looking for someone who can either find my husbands gt granfathers name on the passenger list for a ship leaving Bergen,Norway going to NY in 1913 or a way to find the name of the ship and list myself. Please help me I am not at all sure how to do this.
Name: Conrad Ole Hansen
b- 11/29/1893 Bergen Norway
d- 11/1/1973 LongBeach,CA,USA
m- Edna Josephine Lizer 11/1917 Iowa
lived in Iowa until moving to LongBeach,CA in 1930's or 1940'
where he died in 1973
He is on the 1920 Iowa census that shows his birth place as Bergen and his language is Norweigen. His parents were both in Norway and their language was Norweigen too on this census
It also says he came her ein 1913
This is the only info I have on him.
Lisa in CA
Edited by - ldsmom33 on 21/05/2002 16:36:22 |
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Borge
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pmikkelsen
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Posted - 22/05/2002 : 05:40:34
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Just curious... are you sure that he was born in Bergen? I checked the 1920 Federal Census for Iowa. I found him, but all it said was that he was born in Norway. Also, I checked at the University of Bergen online archives (Digitalarkivet). They have baptism records for Bergen going through 1894. I could not find him there.
At Ellis Island, I found two possibilities, but neither were living in Bergen at the time of their immigration:
Konrad O. Hansen, age 20, residence Sevig (Norway)
Arrived Feb. 24, 1914 on the ship SS Carmania out of Liverpool
Konrad Hansen, age 19, residence Gimsoy (Norway)
Arrived April 14, 1913 on the ship SS Caledonia out of Glasgow
I hope this helps...
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ldsmom33
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Posted - 22/05/2002 : 16:38:46
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Hi, I got his birth info from his daughter Mary Hansen stine who passed away in 1989. Only, she gave me his birth year as 1895 and his social security index info online was 1893. I am not sure which is true. She also told us Bergen was where he was born. How do I find out for sure? Someone else sent me the first name that you found but said this man was married when he arrived to NY. My Conrad was not I don't think because he married Edna in 1917 in Iowa. I also am curious on how to find out if he came alone or with family members.
What would you suggest for me to do next. I don't know how to research Norway info yet.
Lisa
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Borge
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Posted - 22/05/2002 : 16:53:50
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quote:
Hi, I got his birth info from his daughter Mary Hansen stine who passed away in 1989. Only, she gave me his birth year as 1895 and his social security index info online was 1893. I am not sure which is true. She also told us Bergen was where he was born. How do I find out for sure? Someone else sent me the first name that you found but said this man was married when he arrived to NY. My Conrad was not I don't think because he married Edna in 1917 in Iowa. I also am curious on how to find out if he came alone or with family members.
What would you suggest for me to do next. I don't know how to research Norway info yet.
Lisa
Maybe you should try to lacate him in the 1900 census first. There you will find info about when and where he was born, you will probably find his parents and siblings too. The census is online at the Digitalarkivet.
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pmikkelsen
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Posted - 22/05/2002 : 20:01:09
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Lisa -- Do you know any names of other family members? Parents and/or siblings? This might help locate him in the Norwegian archives. In the 1900 Census, I found many Conrad (Konrad) Hansens, born 1893-1895.
I think I found the Konrad Hansen who immigrated in 1913 at age 19 -- who listed his residence in Norway as Gimsoy. In 1900, he was living in Gimsoy on the farm "Haugen". Father Hans -- mother Magdalene -- brothers Alf, Olaf, Hartlund and Agerbek -- sister Edvarda. I realize this is not Bergen... but I believe this is the fellow listed at Ellis Island. Any of these names ring a bell?
The online database at the Digitalarkivet for baptisms in Bergen only goes through 1894. So if he was born in 1895, he wouldn't be listed there. I searched this database anyway, and did not find any likely candidates.
Sorry I couldn't be more help...
Patti
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ldsmom33
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Posted - 22/05/2002 : 20:40:03
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Thanks to all who have posted replys to my pleas. I don't know any of my Conrad(Konrad) Hansens parents or sibling info. Does anyone know for sure how I can pin point him on the 1900 census if I'm not sure about his family? Do I get his death certificate first to clear up his info hoping that his parents names are on it?
Lisa
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pmikkelsen
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Posted - 22/05/2002 : 23:07:59
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Lisa, Do you know if he was naturalized, also when and where (in which US Court)? If you know these things, you can try to obtain a copy of his Naturalization papers from the US National Archives. I'm pretty sure it was after 1920, because in the 1920 Census, he was classed as an alien. But it takes some time to get this done. It took my grandfather 9 years, from the time of his immigration. I got my grandfather's papers. They showed date & place of birth, and where & when he first entered the US. It gave the exact date and the name of the ship.
Something else to explore...
Patti
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ldsmom33
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Posted - 22/05/2002 : 23:33:30
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Patti, Thanks so much for your advise. i will try to get his Death certificate,obit,and his naturalization papers. I only know that he came in 1913 through NY and settled in Iowa. How would I go about getting this info in order to make sure I am getting the right C(K)onrad Ole(Olaf?) Hansen?
Since I don't have his parents names or sibling names I feel lost.
Any more advise?
Lisa
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thelebrity
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Posted - 23/05/2002 : 14:58:26
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I would think the one arriving in 1914 would be the one. There are only two places called gimsøy in Norway, both situated far from Bergen. There are no Sevik or Sævik near Bergen, but Søvik is a place just outside Bergen today (maybe in another kommune earlier). Also the initial O points to this person.
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pmikkelsen
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Posted - 23/05/2002 : 15:40:25
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Lisa,
Personally, I think finding his naturalization records has the most potential for giving the kinds of information you are seeking. One place to start is to read this article at the National Archives website: http://www.nara.gov/genealogy/natural.html
You can also send an e-mail inquiry to the National Archives at inquire@nara.gov -- Give them as much information as you know.
Do you know if he went directly to Iowa after he immigrated? If so, he probably got his naturalization there. Hopefully, that should narrow it down a bit. My biggest hurdle was figuring out in which court my grandfather got his papers. Once I knew that, finding the records was pretty easy.
I hope this helps...
Patti
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ldsmom33
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Posted - 23/05/2002 : 19:59:49
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I only know that he came through NY but I'm not sure how long he stayed. I assume he went to Iowa right away. How do I locate the place he filed for papers? Do I just contact the county first?
Lisa
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ldsmom33
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Posted - 26/05/2002 : 19:37:42
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Update to my latest post. My brothers youngest brother is getting married today so I took my family info with my and grilled them on their grandfather Conrad Ole Hansen's immigration info. My hubby's grandfather(Mary Hansen Stine was his first wife, Conrad's daughter and she died in 1989)Orville was there. He told me that Conrad came around 1913 age 18-20? from Norway and he jumped ship in NY. He didn't want to go through Ellis Island. He somehow managed to get papers to say he was processed. He didn't know how he did it. He wasn't sure how long he stayed in NY before moving to Iowa and marrying Edna Lizer. How do I go about getting info now? It seems even more impossible now that he was not processed legally. Any advise?
Lisa
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pmikkelsen
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Posted - 26/05/2002 : 23:31:33
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Hi Lisa
I may be wrong, but I think your husband's grandfather only meant that he entered the country illegally. He was probably a member of this ship's crew -- as was the case with my grandfather. I get a sense that it was relatively easy for a crew member simply to get off the ship in a port, and not get back on for the return trip.
The question is, did he ever became a U.S. Citizen? He could still do that, in spite of how he entered the country. There was a procedure for obtaining Naturalization. You can read about it at the NARA website. I believe the first step was to declare your intent formally. After a certain point in time (I don't know exactly when), US Immigration began to require proof of landing. But in the early days, they did not. So the immigrant gave the name of a ship, a port and a date of arrival... and the process was begun.
I still think a good place to start is to try to locate his Naturalization papers. The bad news is that (for the reasons I just stated above), the information given there may or may not be accurate.
My grandfather "jumped ship" in NY. He got work and established residency. Then he applied for and was granted U.S. Citizenship. Even though he did not enter through Ellis, he still became a U.S. Citizen. From another document, I was able to find out which court granted his citizenship. With that information, I called this court and they gave me his "Petition Number". Using the Petition number and the name of the court, National Archives located his file.
Another thing you could do is try to locate him in the Seaman's Rolls in Norway. But in order to do that, you will need to know which city was his home port. Maybe Børge or someone else on this message board can help you in this regard. I haven't had much luck, so don't judge by me!
I hope this helps
Patti
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Borge
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Posted - 26/05/2002 : 23:55:48
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I am sure it is possible to find records that will help you both. I am waiting for a more detailed list of microfilmed sailors records from the Riksarkivet i Oslo. When I get that I will check it out with the LDS, maybe they are able to give you access to the records near where you live.
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pmikkelsen
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Posted - 27/05/2002 : 06:17:37
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Thank you for your efforts, Børge!
I will look forward to hearing the results of your inquiry. We have an LDS family research center right here in my town.
Patti
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Need help finding bergen norway to NY list 1913
