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oysteinsorbye
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 Posted - 29/01/2012 : 18:08:20
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As I understand it, the Haagine Andersdatter Hauer who was born 26.09.1792 or 28.09., married 13.01.1811 in Peder Kristiansen born 1782 in Stange, Hedmark, in Asker Church, in the record it says: Asker, han fra Løki, hun fra Gjettum, he is from Løki Farm, she from Gjettum. ) (Peder Kristiansens profession was "Bøkker, hjulmager urmager", which is barrelmaker, wheelmaker and watchmaker) died 18.04.1846 in Sem,at the farm Auli.
She and Peder had 7 children and the 5 first married, and had together 24 children. In later generations, some of them emigrated but I have no records of their descendant in the States.
Anne and Peder have many descendants, mostly in the Vestfold and Oslo region. If some who are working on this topic are descendants I would be grateful for information, and I can supply from my satabase. |
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 30/01/2012 : 07:32:58
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Here is the marriage record Oystein is referring to: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7732&idx_id=7732&uid=ny&idx_side=-114 ninth down on the left
Here is the record for whom I believe is my 2GGM through Haagine - the gothic writing makes this a very difficult record for me to understand but it has been read in the past to indicate the father is Tollef Andersen and the child is Else Karine : http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=468&idx_id=468&uid=ny&idx_side=-29 entry 53 on the right
Else Karine is the only child I have of this marriage but it doesn't seem likely this is a second marriage for Haagine after the 1811 marriage to Peter C as there wouldn't be enough time for 7 children through Peter as Oystein refers to.
The problem is I can find no other Haagine Andersd around this time that Peter could have been married to. Any input?
I'm going to search out the 7 children referred to and see what I can learn but any thoughts would be appreciated.
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eibache
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Posted - 30/01/2012 : 09:43:47
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(Peder Kristiansens profession was "Bøkker, hjulmager urmager", which is barrelmaker, wheelmaker and watchmaker)
- how is this related to the marriage record?
"On page 118" there are two Haagine,
on the left side next to the last record we find Haagine Andersdatter, uægte - parents Anne Xtensdr and Anders Xtensen serving in "Oberstltn Thomes 2nd Grenader Compagnie in Xtiania", she was baptized Oct 7 and was born Sept 28 at Hauer.
on the right side 8th record we find Haagine Gundersdatter, born Oct 21 at Jaer and baptized Oct 28, her parents were Gunder Andersen and Maria Larsdatter. (Family in 1801: http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=22&filnamn=f1801&gardpostnr=5018&personpostnr=61198&merk=61198#ovre.)
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Edited by - eibache on 30/01/2012 09:52:24 |
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oysteinsorbye
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Posted - 30/01/2012 : 14:19:34
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| There are definitely two Haagine Andersdatter, but in the records in the Ministerialbok of Asker in 1810-11 and 1815 there is no way to discriminate who is who. One of them can of course have been born in other counties. The Haagine who died at Auli in Sem in 1833 married in 1811 and is then not related to Davids ancestor. It would be of interest where the information came from, that she was born in 1787. |
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oysteinsorbye
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Posted - 30/01/2012 : 14:37:20
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To Einar: quote:
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(Peder Kristiansens profession was "Bøkker, hjulmager urmager", which is barrelmaker, wheelmaker and watchmaker)
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- how is this related to the marriage record?
This is not from the marriage record. It is found in Sem og Slagen Bygdebok, Gårdshistorie, Bind 1. It can be fond on the Internet,
http://www-bib.hive.no/tekster/sem_slagen/gaardshistorie1/husmannsplassene_under_jarlsberg.html
The text goes as follows: Peder Kristiansen, ca. 1830-46, kalles avvekslende bøkker, hjulmaker og urmaker. F. ca. 1782 i Stange, Hedmark, d. 1846. Gift: 1. m. Hågine Andersdatter, hengte sig i 1833 i et anfall av sinnsforvirring. 2. 1836 m. enken Karen Johanne Mathisdatter Hasle, f. ca. 1798 på Tjøme. Syv barn nevnes: 1. Andreas, f. ca. 1810 på Gjettum i Bærum, bodde en tid på Grindstuen ved Hasle. 2. Kristian, f. 1812 på Jarlsberg, tjente i 1836 i Vestby sogn. 3. Johanne Marie, f. 1815 på Tomsbakken. 4. Karl (kalles også Petter), f. 1819 på Tomsbakken, var i 1836 i skomakerlære i Tønsberg. 5. Andrea (Andrine), f. 1822 på Jarlsberg, ektet 1848 Gunder Kristoffersen, Lille Kjærnes. 6. Katrine Elisabet, f. 1826, d. 1841. 7. Karen Helene, f. 1828 på Jarlsberg. Ved skiftet efter Hågine Andersdatter i 1836 utgjorde formuen 163 spd. Blandt løsøret nevnes sølv for vel 10 spd., mest skjeer; 15 skilderier, 3 speil, 1 åtte-dagers stueur, verd 10 spd., 1 «Uhrmagerværksted med Redskab» 2 spd., 1 blekkhus, 12 skilling.
From this text one can see that this Haagine must have been from Gjettum, as her oldest son Andreas, (f. ca. 1810 på Gjettum i Bærum )is born there. People from Gjettum in Bærum and Hauer in Asker (near Dikemark) both were registered in the same church records. |
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eibache
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Posted - 30/01/2012 : 16:31:16
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Interesting.
The Haagine Andersdatter who was married to Peder Kristiansen on Jan 13 1811 had a son Andreas Jan 16 at Gjettum, he was baptized Jan 20 1811, see 7th record on right page Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Asker, Ministerialbok nr. I 5 (1807-1813), Fødte og døpte 1811, side 14.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7732&idx_id=7732&uid=ny&idx_side=-16.
Unfortunately Haagines age is not recorded when she was burried, see #76 Kildeinformasjon: Vestfold fylke, Sem, Klokkerbok nr. I 2 (1826-1844), Døde og begravede 1833, side 122-123.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8194&idx_id=8194&uid=ny&idx_side=-86.
Her last child was Karen Helene, born Oct 19 1828, see #85 Kildeinformasjon: Vestfold fylke, Sem, Ministerialbok nr. I 5 (1825-1842), Fødte og døpte 1829, side 37-38.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8197&idx_id=8197&uid=ny&idx_side=-21.
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eibache
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 30/01/2012 : 21:00:14
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| thank you for the review of this. It seems that my Haagine is still the one born 1792 but married 1815 to Tollef Andersen and Mother of Else Karine. The Haagine married 1811 to Peter Christensen is a mystery it seems. I will research and try to post something on the source of 1787 birth for a Haagine married to PC |
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eibache
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Posted - 30/01/2012 : 22:26:53
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Tollof Andersen and Haagine Andersdatter, Løgenæs had
a son Andreas July 21 1817, see #62
Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Asker, Ministerialbok nr. I 6 (1814-1824), Fødte og døpte 1817, side 54.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=468&idx_id=468&uid=ny&idx_side=-58,
a daughter Anne Margrete Jan 9 1820, see #5
Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Asker, Ministerialbok nr. I 6 (1814-1824), Fødte og døpte 1820, side 86.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=468&idx_id=468&uid=ny&idx_side=-91,
a daughter Maren Kirstine March 4 1822, see #25
Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Asker, Ministerialbok nr. I 6 (1814-1824), Fødte og døpte 1822, side 159.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=468&idx_id=468&uid=ny&idx_side=-170,
another Andreas Jan 1 1824, see #11
Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Asker, Ministerialbok nr. I 6 (1814-1824), Fødte og døpte 1817, side 54.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=468&idx_id=468&uid=ny&idx_side=-58,
a son Lars Febr 26 1826,see #70
Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Asker, Ministerialbok nr. I 7 (1825-1864), Fødte og døpte 1826, side 21.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7735&idx_id=7735&uid=ny&idx_side=-22,
a son Anders June 10 1830, see #105
Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Asker, Ministerialbok nr. I 7 (1825-1864), Fødte og døpte 1830, side 73.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7735&idx_id=7735&uid=ny&idx_side=-74,
a daughter Marte Jan 3 1833, see #28
Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Asker, Ministerialbok nr. I 7 (1825-1864), Fødte og døpte 1833, side 98.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7735&idx_id=7735&uid=ny&idx_side=-99,
and a son Ludvig March 13 1835, see #91
Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Asker, Ministerialbok nr. I 7 (1825-1864), Fødte og døpte 1835, side 126.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7735&idx_id=7735&uid=ny&idx_side=-127.
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 31/01/2012 : 02:40:45
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Originally posted by eibache
Else Karine born Sept 12 1815 who David looks for parents to is easier to read at #53 here
Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Asker, Klokkerbok nr. I 1 (1814-1830), Fødte og døpte 1815, side 23.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7733&idx_id=7733&uid=ny&idx_side=-24. Her parents were Tollof Andersen and Haagine Andersdatter, "husmandsfolk" under Løgenæs.
The Haagine Andersdatter who was the mother of Else Karine is a mystery.
Not sure why you say she is the mystery if we have identified her as dau of Anne Christensd and Anders Christensen, wife of Tollef Andersen and mother of Else Karine and mother of 8 additional children per your subsequent post. |
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 31/01/2012 : 02:47:20
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Originally posted by eibache
Tollof Andersen and Haagine Andersdatter, Løgenæs had
a son Andreas Jan 24 1817, see #59
This looks like Anna Gulbrandsd more than Haagine Andersd as mother - am I missing something
Although #62 looks like it is a child - not positive on the name as it looks somewhat different than the Andreas above in #59 |
Edited by - davidcarlsen on 31/01/2012 03:22:50 |
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eibache
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Posted - 31/01/2012 : 08:56:36
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Sorry for the mistake, #59 is an Anders, #62 is Andreas, the right one.
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eibache
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Posted - 31/01/2012 : 09:20:30
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Haagine Andersdatter was 24 years old when she married Tollof Andersen May 15 1815, see #13
Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Asker, Ministerialbok nr. I 6 (1814-1824), Ekteviede 1815, side 194.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=468&idx_id=468&uid=ny&idx_side=-205.
Both were at Løgenæs.
The Haagine born out of wedlock to Anne Xtensdr and Anders Xtensen serving in "Oberstltn Thomes 2nd Grenader Compagnie in Xtiania" was baptized Oct 7 and was born Sept 28 1792 at Hauer.
In 1801, this Haagine is recorded as "datter datter" to Xten Hansen and Live Larsdatter, Hauer, the parents of Anne Xtens who then was married to Anders Nilsen, and who married Peder Kristiansen on Jan 13 1811.
She is not, as I see it, the Haagine you are looking for who was born 1791.
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 31/01/2012 : 09:22:14
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ok - thanks - all of this was very helpful and I appreciate it - I don't know how you get it done so quickly
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davidcarlsen
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Posted - 31/01/2012 : 09:41:01
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| so if I understand this correctly, you are saying that the Haagine born out of wedlock Sep 28 1792 is NOT the Haagine who married Tollof Andersen and had the 8 kids listed in your post and also had my 2nd GGM Else Karine Tollefsd. Anne Christensd and Anders Christensen who disappeared are NOT my relatives and not parents of the Haagine I am looking for. There just is no birth record for the Haagine I am looking for which should be a record in 1791. |
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Birth record Haagine Andersdatter abt 1791 Asker
