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cdahl
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 Posted - 29/05/2011 : 19:03:42
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I am a member of a group of 4 who are researching our ancestors; the Gaard family from Talgje, Finnøy, Rogaland, Norway. We are having a problem understanding information about Jonas Gaard, son of Sjur Larson and Ingeborg Oddsdatter. He is the brother of our g-g-grandparents (Rakel, Severt and Louis). We have a parish birth record for Jonas for 19 Jun 1848 in Randaberg, Hetland, Rogaland, Norway. It lists the father as Sivert Larsen - Is this the same person as Sjur Larsen. Then we find a parish emigration record for Jonas for 24 Aug 1869 which lists his name as Jonas Sjursen Gaard age 21 going to North America. Another place it shows him on a Canadian Passenger List as Jonas Sivertsen Gaard arriving on the ship Heros in Quebec, Canada in Jun 1869 at age 20. Then there is another Canadian Passenger List showing Jonas Sjursen arriving in Quebec on 21 Jun 1874 at age 26. Are there any records to help us with correct information.
We appreciate any help you can give us.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 29/05/2011 : 20:00:05
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Yes, most of your statements looks ok.
¤ Jonas Gaard, son of Sjur Larson and Ingeborg Oddsdatter Yes
¤ Brother of our g-g-grandparents (Rakel, Severt and Louis). Yes
¤ Parish birth record for Jonas for 19 Jun 1848 in Randaberg, Hetland, Rogaland, Norway. Yes
¤ It lists the father as Sivert Larsen. Is this the same person as Sjur Larsen? Yes
¤ Parish emigration record for Jonas for 24 Aug 1869 which lists his name as Jonas Sjursen Gaard age 21 going to North America. Yes
¤ Canadian Passenger List as Jonas Sivertsen Gaard arriving on the ship Heros in Quebec, Canada in Jun 1869 at age 20. Yes
¤ Canadian Passenger List showing Jonas Sjursen arriving in Quebec on 21 Jun 1874 at age 26. Guess no. Could this be a namesake?
Here he is in census-1865 for Gaard farm in Finnøy parish.
Emigration records shows him leaving the Parish in 1869.
Sivert and Sjur can sometimes be equal name. The father is a widower in 1865.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 29/05/2011 21:15:46 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 29/05/2011 : 20:11:36
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Sjur Larsen was born in Fjelberg, todays Kvinnherad
The marriage record for Sjur Larsen and Ingebord Aadsdatter in Randaberg June 19. 1842 confirms that, see #4
Kåre |
Edited by - Kåarto on 29/05/2011 20:13:43 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 29/05/2011 : 20:32:05
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Rakel Severine Sjursdtr, Birth: 1843, Randaberg, Rogaland, Norway. Parents: Sjur Larsen & Ingeborg Oddsdtr
Ellen Marie Sjursdtr, Birth: 1845, Randaberg, Rogaland, Norway. Parents: Sjur Larsen & Ingeborg Oddsdtr
Jonas Sjursen, Birth: 1848, Randaberg, Rogaland, Norway, Parents: Sjur Larsen & Ingeborg Oddsdtr
Lene Sjursdtr, Birth: 25 APR 1851, Christening: 25 MAY 1851, Ask, Rennesøy, Rogaland, Norway. Parents: Sjur Larsen & Ingeborg Oddsdtr
Anne Gurie Sjursdtr, Birth: 26 DEC 1853, Christening: 19 MAR 1854, Ask, Rennesøy, Rogaland, Norway. Parents: Sjur Larsen & Ingeborg Oddsdtr
Johan Sjursen, Birth: 14 DEC 1856, Christening: 29 MAR 1857, Ask, Rennesøy, Rogaland, Norway. Parents: Sjur Larsen & Ingeborg Oddsdtr
Syvert Sjursen, Birth: 14 DEC 1856, Christening: 29 MAR 1857, Ask, Rennesøy, Rogaland, Norway. Parents: Sjur Larsen & Ingeborg Oddsdtr
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eibache
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Posted - 30/05/2011 : 22:58:51
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Ingebor Aadsdatter born Febr 12 1820, see #1. Her parents Aad Rasmusen and Borgilla Tallachsdatter.
Siur Larsen was baptized Oct 19 1813, see next to the last record on right page.
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Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 09/06/2011 14:10:22 |
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Hopkins
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Posted - 31/05/2011 : 01:11:16
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Sjur Larsson and Ingeborg Oddsdtr also had a son name Laurits in June 1859 while they resided on the Ask farm in Rennesøy. Note that the mother's name is listed wrongly on that birth record.
Sjur's birth farm of Dørheim in Fjelberg was located in what they then called Aalund annex - but which was later separated from Fjelberg and was called Ølen. |
Edited by - Hopkins on 31/05/2011 01:13:56 |
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cdahl
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Posted - 31/05/2011 : 20:11:47
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| Thank you for helping us out BUT we have more questions! We have found that Tollak moved to Talgje in 1865 and that Ingeborg apparently died before the move. But in the parish reports it does not list Rakel, Elen or Jonas. Is there a parish record that would show they moved to Talgje earlier as they would have been old enough to work outside the home. Also one of my "partners" has found that Jonas was confirmed in 1862 in Talgje. How is that possible if the family moved to Talgje in 1865? Also, is there a passenger list for the Brødrene in 1874 that show Tollak and Rakel as passengers? (I haven't been able to find the ship Brødrene on any web sites.) Also we can't find when Sivert Sjurson Gaard or Johan Sjurson Gaard came to America or the ship on which they were passengers. Does the parish records document when they came to America? Thank you for any help you can give us. We are really passionate about putting this family history together! |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 31/05/2011 : 20:23:06
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Hi,
no passenger list for Brødrene (The Brothers) 1874 available.
Kåre |
Edited by - Kåarto on 31/05/2011 20:24:32 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 31/05/2011 : 21:33:25
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Sjur/Siur and Ingeborg with 4 children left Ask in Rennesøy and settled on Gaard "For at bo paa et brug i Gaard" in Talgje/Finnøy parish April 1865, see 1. page #3
Ingeborg died before 1866 when Widower Sjur Larsen Dørem-Gaard married Anna Martha Eriksdatter from Alvestad in Tysvær on July 18. 1866, see #8
Kåre |
Edited by - Kåarto on 31/05/2011 22:53:42 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 31/05/2011 : 22:18:45
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quote:
Originally posted by Kåarto
Hi,
no passenger list for Brødrene (The Brothers) 1874 available.
Kåre
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Tollag K Guard (33) & Rachel Guard (33) are listed on the ship Brodrene, departuring Stavanger, Norway on 1874-05-05, arriving Quebec, Que. on 1874-06-18.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 31/05/2011 : 22:59:34
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Gaard 1865.
Siur Larsen, widower with 8 children.
Anne Eriksdattter which Sjur married in 1866 was housekeeper on Gaard 1865
Kåre |
Edited by - Kåarto on 31/05/2011 23:00:05 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 31/05/2011 : 23:16:48
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You are right.
Jonas Sivertsen/Sjursen settled down on Gaard before the parents and was confirmed in Talgje church on Oct. 12. 1862, see #23
Kåre |
Edited by - Kåarto on 31/05/2011 23:23:48 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 31/05/2011 : 23:58:56
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Off the record:
There are two Talgje islands in Finnøy municipality, Northern and Southern (Sør) Talgje.
Gaard is located to Sør (Southern) Talgje
Talgje church b. ab. 1100 was build on Gaard land.
Gaard was in the middleage the largest farm on Sør-Talgje and was owed by Baron Gaute Erlingsson 1235-88, one of king Magnus V Lagabøte Håkonsson´s most important advicers.
View of Sør Talgje, Gaard (not marked) is south-east on map between the bay and the road which appears after zooming out twice.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 01/06/2011 00:12:28 |
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cdahl
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Posted - 01/06/2011 : 01:33:38
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| Wow! Thanks for the new info. It is so difficult for me to read the parish records. Is there any record of Johan and Sivert Gaard's date of departure for America? Would there be any record when Rakel, Elen and Jonas went to Talge? Again, many thanks! |
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eibache
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Posted - 01/06/2011 : 06:00:25
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Tollag Knudsen, Gaard and Rakel Severine Sjursdatter were married April 3 1867, see #1.
Their daughter Ingeborg Serene was born Aug 22 1867, see #31.
Knud was born Oct 7 1869, see #48, and Anna Gurine was born Jan 22 1872, see #8.
Tollag Knudsen, his parents and siblings in 1865.
Tollak Knudsen, Gaard was born Jan 17 1841, see #2, his parents Knud Rasmusen, Gaard and Gunvor Tollaksdatter.
Knud Rasmusen, Gard and Gunvor Tollaksdatter, Tjøstem were married Dec 28 1838, see #1.
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Edited by - eibache on 01/06/2011 06:33:29 |
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eibache
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Posted - 01/06/2011 : 09:47:02
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Canadian Passenger List showing Jonas Sjursen arriving in Quebec on 21 Jun 1874 at age 26. Guess no. Could this be a namesake?
- Jonas Sjursen is on the passenger list for Brodrene - next to Tollag, Rachel and their children.
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Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 01/06/2011 16:19:59 |
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