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Joanne Kidd
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 Posted - 17/06/2011 : 03:52:55
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Originally posted by Hopkins
Kċre meant before 1918.
Those other conditions you will just have to research further to know for sure.
Thanks for the clarification |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/06/2011 : 09:44:48
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Since it was the bishop who decided the size of the fee the whole application was probably send to him.
At that time the administrative center of Stavanger Diocese was in Kristiansand.
As I see it is the application "kongelig bevilling" of July 2. from Talgje parish to marry July 14. 1874 kept in "Bispearkivet" Bishop archives in the Regional State Archives in Kristiansand
A request for a copy can be send there.
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Joanne Kidd
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Posted - 16/07/2011 : 23:37:12
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I have been entering citations for the information I have on the Gaard Family. The arkiverket and digitalarkivet web sites do some translation into English but some things are not clear. Can anyone answer the following:
In the 1865 census Sjur Larsen, father of Jonas, is listed as having a horse, 8 large cattle, a pig and 35 "Get". I can't find this word in any of my dictionaries. Does it mean goats? Or is it something else.
Also in the census there is an indication of 6 oats and 7 potatoes. I assume this means a land measure such as an acre but don't know what the measurement in use in Norway would have been and would like to find out.
In the 1875 census, Sjur's son-in-law's occupation is listed as Earth Works. Can anyone tell me what kind of work that might have been? |
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 17/07/2011 : 00:42:33
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You refer to the 1865 census where I read 2 horses, 8 cattle, 35 sheep and 1 pig. He sowed 1 barrel of barley, 6 barrels of oats and 7 barrels of potatoes.
Jordarbeider = working on the farms ground.
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Joanne Kidd
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Posted - 17/07/2011 : 04:20:15
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Originally posted by eibache
You refer to the 1865 census where I read 2 horses, 8 cattle, 35 sheep and 1 pig. He sowed 1 barrel of barley, 6 barrels of oats and 7 barrels of potatoes.
Jordarbeider = working on the farms ground.
Thanks for that. Because the barley was listed between the cattle and the pig, I assumed it was another animal. And knowing that the crop numbers refer to barrels planted makes a lot more sense.
Your translation of Jordabeider also makes more sense than the web site's Earth Works. In English we might think that meant building a dam or fortification. Instinct told me it would be something closer to what you have said, but I like to make sure. It is a good thing since otherwise I might have gone on thinking that barley was really goats!
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Joanne Kidd
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Posted - 24/07/2011 : 01:28:15
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To all of you who have assisted with our research,
Here in Canada we watch with horror the news from Oslo. Having visited Norway, I would have thought it one of the least likely places to be faced with a tragedy of this kind. Your whole country must be in a state of shock right now. Our hearts go out to all of you and your countrymen.
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Joanne Kidd
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Canada
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Posted - 15/11/2011 : 18:40:18
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| Since our last posts in July more has been learned about Jonas Gaard. It appears he may have responded to American advertising in Norway. I understand that free homesteads were promised to young Norwegian men who would come to the U.S. and sign up for a five year stint in the army. Jonas arrived in Quebec in June, 1869 and enlisted in the army in Madison, Wisconsin, in January, 1870. He appears to have fought in what were called the Indian Wars which continued after the North- South war had ended. He shows up in the U.S. Civil War pension records, having applied for a disability pension in 1873 while posted in Kentucky. It appears he was wounded by an arrow while serving in the Wyoming Territory, and he lost the sight of an eye. He likely received no homestead since he did not complete five years, but he did receive a pension. This information has led me to wonder if he may have returned to Norway at that time, later going back to the U.S. For some time we have been confused by the fact that his name appears on two passenger lists: the first in 1869, and the second in 1874 when he appears along with his sister Rakel, her husband Tollack Knudson, and their three children. Is there any source of information in Norway that might show if he arrived back there sometime in 1873 or 1874? I have read that there was more traveling back and forth than we might have imagined, thus my speculation regarding Jonas. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/11/2011 : 21:09:29
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Hi,
He might have been listed in a parish in the inflyttede records. Where did his sister and family live?
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Joanne Kidd
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Posted - 15/11/2011 : 22:55:26
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| Jonas Sjursen Gaard is listed in the Finnoy official parish register as Udflytedde in 1869. He does not appear as Inflyttede in 1873 or 1874, nor does the record show as Udflyttede in 1874 his sister Rakel and her family. Younger brothers Sivert and Johan who we know also emigrated in 1874 or 1875 do not show in the Udflytedde records either. It is for this reason that I'm looking for other possible sources. |
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Kċarto
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Norway
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Posted - 15/11/2011 : 23:53:04
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Hi.
Long time since I worked with the Gard people.
It seems like he returned and traveled with Rakel 1874.
That would have been no problem for Jonas Gard.
A good farmhand in the US could earn up to 150 Dollar a year, in three years he would have saved a large sum of money.
A ticet from Norway to USA cost ab. 40 Norwegian Daler, the return-ticket was probably cheaper.
Jonas was young and strong, it would be no problem for him.
In 1837 a young man, Ansten Knudsen from the Norwegian inland em. with his brother Ole and a friend Halsten.
Ansten returned back home 1838 via Missisippi and New Orleans only to help family, friends and neighbors to emigrate.
Next year Ansten brought 98 people with him to Jefferson Prairie,Wisconsin where his brother Ole already had settled down.
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Joanne Kidd
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Posted - 16/11/2011 : 00:13:10
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| I believe as you do that his return is likely. What I don't have is any proof. Are there any records of passengers arriving in Norway during that time period? |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/11/2011 : 15:51:49
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Hi.
Not to my knowledge online.
The archives are full of documents, more records are available on internet almost daily, mostly based on volunteers.
A problem is to know where to look.
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Joanne Kidd
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Posted - 17/11/2011 : 16:35:40
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I understand completely. Here in Canada I am involved in indexing local records to be put on line. It is a huge, and rather boring, job, but I have benefited so much from what others have done that I do it gladly. I will just have to continue to watch and hope that new information might emerge.
Your help has been invaluable. I will soon be posting another query re: my great-grandmother's family. I have been able to find considerable information about her history, but have hit a dead end with her brothers and sister . Perhaps I will hear from you again if you are able to offer any advice about that search. Her name was Bertha Olava Johnson (originally Johnsdatter). I will be posting the information I have so no one will waste time looking for things I already know. When her name appears, I hope you will take a look. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/11/2011 : 21:03:31
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We will do our best to help you to find Bertha Olava Johnssdatter, changed to Johnson in Canada
All info is of great value, save a lot of work.
Sometimes you face a brick wall.
A short summary of my Canada story and why genealogy takes time.
My Gggparents Elling and Mari (Mary) Andersen died in Collingwood, Ontario, on way to Minnesota, leaving Norway 1873.
They probaly stopped in Collingwood to earn money.
Elling was deadly wounded in a saw mill accident ab. July 1875 and died Jan. 1876, Mary died August 6. 1876, leaving three children, Mari 1862, Ole 1864 and Jens 1866.
I have all the records exept for what happened to the 3 children, they were probably adopted and changed lastname in Canada.
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