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Joanne Kidd
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 Posted - 10/06/2011 : 05:19:04
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Originally posted by cdahl
Again, thank you, Kåre, for all your help! A member of our group has found that Sivert Gaard and Johan Gaard came to America in either 1876 or 1877. Is there any record of this?
In the U.S. census both Sivert and Joe (Johan ) show 1876 as their date of immigration to the U.s. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 10/06/2011 : 17:41:53
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Hi.
When Sjur and Ingeborg married 1842 they settled down on Østre Goe, Sjus as carpenter and farmer.
Both Rakel Severine 1843, right page #2 and Elen Maria 1845, right page #6 and Jonas 1848, left page #11 were born on Østre Goe
They left Østre Goe for Ask, Rennesøy between 1848 and 51.
Found some John Gaard information here, note that Johan listed his mother as Ingeborg Olsen.
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Joanne Kidd
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Posted - 10/06/2011 : 23:33:44
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Hi.
When Sjur and Ingeborg married 1842 they settled down on Østre Goe, Sjus as carpenter and farmer.
Both Rakel Severine 1843, right page #2 and Elen Maria 1845, right page #6 and Jonas 1848, left page #11 were born on Østre Goe
They left Østre Goe for Ask, Rennesøy between 1848 and 51.
Found some John Gaard information here, note that Johan listed his mother as Ingeborg Olsen.
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Joanne Kidd
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Posted - 10/06/2011 : 23:37:31
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| John Gaard was the name in the U.S. for Jonas. Johan became Joseph (Joe). I thought there might be some confusion here. I still cant seem to make the links work so have not been able to look at the things that are referenced in other postings. I've sent e-mail to the site administrators but so far no answers. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 11/06/2011 : 18:13:05
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Hi.
I see, I thought John was Johan.
Well, Jonas came first and choose John.
(diff. to know when to use choise, choose and chose correctly)
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Joanne Kidd
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Posted - 11/06/2011 : 23:00:39
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Hi.
I see, I thought John was Johan.
Well, Jonas came first and choose John.
(diff. to know when to use choise, choose and chose correctly)
Kåre
It is one of the challenges of our research. Names were "Americanized" and sometimes the choices seem quite odd. And sometimes it is just a problem of spelling or transcription. On Ancestry. com, Sivert Gaard is spelled differently in almost every census. Sometimes it was the census taker's mistake and sometimes a problem of transcription into the on-line data base. When we find these errors we can, and do, submit corrections, but the initial wrong spelling isn't removed. It is all part of the puzzle.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 12/06/2011 : 00:12:41
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It´s because the pronunciation.
The Norwegian alphabet is quite different from the English.
You can practice here or listen to it with loudspeaker, espesially the letters Æ-Ø-Å.
A in Jonas and Johan is a long A
Sj in Sjur is a SJ-Diphtong and U is a long U
Sivert; S - short I - V- short E - R - T
Gaard is pronounced Gård with a long Å.
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Joanne Kidd
Starting member
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Posted - 13/06/2011 : 00:55:30
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Originally posted by Kåarto
It´s because the pronunciation.
The Norwegian alphabet is quite different from the English.
You can practice here or listen to it with loudspeaker, espesially the letters Æ-Ø-Å.
A in Jonas and Johan is a long A
Sj in Sjur is a SJ-Diphtong and U is a long U
Sivert; S - short I - V- short E - R - T
Gaard is pronounced Gård with a long Å.
Kåre
I'd love to listen and practise - if I could onlly make the links work for me. I'm hoping my local computer expert will be able to help me tomorrow. |
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Joanne Kidd
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Posted - 16/06/2011 : 04:29:25
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Rakel Severine Sjursdtr, Birth: 1843, Randaberg, Rogaland, Norway. Parents: Sjur Larsen & Ingeborg Oddsdtr
Ellen Marie Sjursdtr, Birth: 1845, Randaberg, Rogaland, Norway. Parents: Sjur Larsen & Ingeborg Oddsdtr
Jonas Sjursen, Birth: 1848, Randaberg, Rogaland, Norway, Parents: Sjur Larsen & Ingeborg Oddsdtr
Lene Sjursdtr, Birth: 25 APR 1851, Christening: 25 MAY 1851, Ask, Rennesøy, Rogaland, Norway. Parents: Sjur Larsen & Ingeborg Oddsdtr
Anne Gurie Sjursdtr, Birth: 26 DEC 1853, Christening: 19 MAR 1854, Ask, Rennesøy, Rogaland, Norway. Parents: Sjur Larsen & Ingeborg Oddsdtr
Johan Sjursen, Birth: 14 DEC 1856, Christening: 29 MAR 1857, Ask, Rennesøy, Rogaland, Norway. Parents: Sjur Larsen & Ingeborg Oddsdtr
Syvert Sjursen, Birth: 14 DEC 1856, Christening: 29 MAR 1857, Ask, Rennesøy, Rogaland, Norway. Parents: Sjur Larsen & Ingeborg Oddsdtr
Jan Peter
I have just finally been able to begin to process all of the information on this forum. I had birth dates for the children of Sjur and Ingeborg, but not the Christening dates so have appreciated your input. Did you also find the data for their youngest child, Lauritz? |
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bhenshaw
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Posted - 16/06/2011 : 05:16:20
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Joanne,
Laurits was born 6 Jun 1859 and christened on 10 Jul 1859. Both took place at Ask.
He was confirmed on 4 Oct 1874 at Talgje.
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Joanne Kidd
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Posted - 16/06/2011 : 05:31:57
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Not all of the siblings emigrated, a daughter Elen Marie Sjursdatter b. 1845 takes over Gaard.
Elen Marie (Maria) Sjursdatter married Anders Andersen in Talgje July 14. 1874, see #12
A daughter Ingeborg Serine b. Oct. 24. 1879, see last bap. #7, The family on Gaard 1900
Ingeborg Serine Andersdatter Gaard married Elling Enevald Johannesen Kjølvik Oct. 21. 1908, see 1. marriage and takes over Gaard.
A son Anders born Sept. 16. 1909 and a daughter Dorothea b. March 12. 1911.
The family on Gaard 1910
Ingeborg died Dec. 24. 1958. Elling died Oct. 30. 1875. Anders died April 30. 1994 and Dorothea died Mai 16. 1992.
Kåre
Hello,
I finally have managed to open the links left on the forum and have a question about the marriage of Elin and Anders. It seems they did not have banns or public announcements. Unfortunately I can't read the reason for that. Are you able to tell me what it says? |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 16/06/2011 : 08:59:00
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Viede iflg. kgl. Bevilling af 2den Juli d. A. - viede ifølge kongelig bevilling av 2. juli dette aar.
(Married according to royal license of 2 July of this year.)
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 16/06/2011 : 15:02:36
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Hi, I´m glad that you can open the links.
Within 1918 one had to apply for a royal licence (the authorities) to marry by following reasons:
a) beeing married at home
b) by previous divorce
c) if the couple were cousins
d) if one or both were under age.
As I see it only alternative a remains.
The fee that was paid went to the poor relief fund. The amount of the fee was determined by the bishop.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 16/06/2011 15:06:06 |
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Joanne Kidd
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Posted - 17/06/2011 : 03:32:18
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Thanks to both of you for clarification re: the need for a royal license. I have one remaining question. The year 1918 is mentioned, but Elin and Anders were married in 1874. When was this requirement actually put in place?
I do believe option a) would apply in their case since neither were underage; I don't believe either had been married previously; and from what I know of the family history they were not cousins. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 17/06/2011 : 03:40:20
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Kåre meant before 1918.
Those other conditions you will just have to research further to know for sure. |
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Jonas Gaard
