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bhenshaw
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 Posted - 09/06/2011 : 02:01:04
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Originally posted by eibache
Ingebor Aadsdatter born Febr 12 1820, see #1. Her parents Aad Rasmusen and Borgilla Tallachsdatter.
Thanks eibache.
I am also researching the Gaard family along with Carol and several others.
I was under the impression that Ingeborg's father and mother were Aad Jonasen and Eli Johnsdatter.
I had her being born in Rennesøy in 1821. See #131 on the right. This Ingeborg's father is Aad Jonasen.
In Ingeborg's marriage record to Sjur, her father is listed as Aad Goe. See #4 on the left side.
I had Aad being born in 1784. See first entry on the left side.
I had him moving to Østre Goa in 1829. See #1 under 1829 on the right side.
I had him dying in Østre Goa in 1847. See #9 on the left side.
So... is there any chance that Ingeborg's father is really Aad Jonasen rather than Aad Rasmusen?
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Edited by - bhenshaw on 09/06/2011 04:48:02 |
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cdahl
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Posted - 09/06/2011 : 02:14:33
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| Again, thank you, Kåre, for all your help! A member of our group has found that Sivert Gaard and Johan Gaard came to America in either 1876 or 1877. Is there any record of this? |
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bhenshaw
Starting member
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Posted - 09/06/2011 : 03:15:11
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Hi, it confused me to see Jonas confirmation living on Gaard 1862.
I think the family lived on Gaard around 1860 althoug the migration record say 1865.
- Jonas was confirmed living on Gaard 1862, but already in 1861 Sjur´ Larsens wife "Gaardmandskone" Farmers wife Ingeborg died on Gaard Mai 18.
- Why she is recorded in the 1865 migration to Gaard I don´t know.
Hello Kåre,
First of all thank you for all of your help (and everyone else as well).
I too have been bothered by the fact that she is listed in the move to Talgje in 1865.
I have also been bothered by the fact that her name changes in the records.
If you look at all the records for her and her children including birth records, confirmation records, and marriage records from her birth in 1821 to her death in 1861, she is always listed as either Aadsdatter or Oddsdatter.
If you look at the confirmation records for her children after 1861 and the emigration record to Talgje in 1865, you will see her listed as Olsdatter.
Does that make sense? Why would they put Olsdatter if her father was named Aad? Why would it change starting in 1861?
I know it doesn't seem likely, but could Sjur have gotten remarried to an Ingeborg Olsdatter after Ingeborg Aadsdatter died in 1861 and it was with this new wife that he moved back to Talgje in 1865?
It all seems a little strange since the three oldest children Rachel, Elen, and Jonas are not listed in the emigration record either.
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/06/2011 : 04:05:47
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bhenshaw, It might be time to start checking the probate records. They are not easy - but they are usually full of information about living family members.
You could expect a probate record for the Aad/Odd Jonasen you found died in 1847 should list his daughter and probably any of her children already born or her husband's name in his probate.
It also occurs to me now that we have had a good number of ancestors (no common lines noticed) from exactly the same areas - Fjelberg/Ølen (good bygdebøker available), Ask farm in Rennesøy (good bygdebøker available), Gård farm on Talgje in Finnøy (good bygdebøker available) and also from Randaberg. I was completely surprised a few years ago to find bygdebøker for Randaberg available on the shelves of the Family History Library in Salt Lake City! "Randaberg", 4 volumes by Birger Lindanger. I mention them because you might not have heard of them either. |
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bhenshaw
Starting member
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Posted - 09/06/2011 : 05:12:08
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Hello Hopkins,
Thank you for your suggestions.
I looked at the probate records once, but I don't speak any Norwegian and the records are so difficult to follow. I can't even figure out what year I'm in when I look at a page. Even in the parish records I can just barely pick out names, but at least the pages are clearly marked as to the year. I'll take another look, but I'm not confident I'll be able to find anything. I wish I spoke Norwegian. 
I will take a look at getting my hands on these Bygdeboker. I had not tried to find any for these farms.
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Edited by - bhenshaw on 09/06/2011 05:52:58 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/06/2011 : 11:54:31
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So... is there any chance that Ingeborg's father is really Aad Jonasen rather than Aad Rasmusen?
- chances are very good, I am afraid my findings was a little hasty. The posting is deleted.
Sjur and Ingeborgs Jonas may have been named both from Aad Jonasens father and Ingeborgs mothers father - Elis father was also a Jonas - see their marriage record #3 in 1819. (When Ingeborgs mother is a Johnsdatter, this seems a little strange.)
Aad and Elis first child was Jonas, see #1.
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Edited by - eibache on 09/06/2011 14:31:23 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/06/2011 : 12:04:22
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In Ingeborg's marriage record to Sjur, her father is listed as Aad Goe. See #4 on the left side.
the witnesses are recorded in the 4th column. Aad Goe may very well also be her father.
Ingebor was at Østre Goe when she married but according to the baptismal record she was born at Bremsøe on Findøe.
Aad Goe = Od Jonasen, see his parents and siblings in 1801.
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Edited by - eibache on 09/06/2011 12:28:36 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 09/06/2011 : 15:26:08
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Bill,
I too saw her name was spelled Olsdatter, I see it as one of many wrongspellings in the church books.
I think some of the writing was done afterwords.
With 1,85 million pages it must have occured many errors.
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bhenshaw
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Posted - 09/06/2011 : 18:13:15
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Originally posted by Kåarto
I too saw her name was spelled Olsdatter, I see it as one of many wrongspellings in the church books.
I think some of the writing was done afterwords.
With 1,85 million pages it must have occured many errors.
Hi Kåre,
At first I thought it might be just a mistake in the one record, but then I started looking and found 12 records of her name being Aadsdatter/Oddsdatter between 1821 and 1861 and then 5 records of it being Olsdatter between 1862 and 1871.
You indicated that some of the writing was done afterwords. I had always thought the records were done at the time of the birth, confirmation, etc. Is that not the case?
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Kåarto
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Posted - 09/06/2011 : 22:38:51
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Hi.
Some explonation of why it´s written Olsdatter instead of Odd-Aadsdatter I don´t have, but I am sure it´s Ingeborg Aadsdatter who died in Gaard 1861.
Furthermore I can only refer to what I have read and discussed with others interested in genealogy.
We know that some bap. record etc. are exluded and many emigrant records are exluded from the church books, even they had to register and have travel passport to leave the country or the parish.
Norway has lot´s of dialects and because of that there were many ways to write a name.
A common name like John;
I have seen it spelled Jon, Jhon, Joen, Ion, Jonen.
Where I live, in the 1700s and 1800s there were Norwegian , German and Danish priests, sometimes because of the spelling of the names you can see where the priest came from.
As a curiosity and why I believe some records were written afterwards when the congregation had left the church.
The priest and the sexton would taste the altar wine, it says there was too much tasting.
Some days later they came out that they had forgotten to write the names of the children, parents and godparents.
I will look into your other postings later.
Kåre
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Kåarto
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Posted - 09/06/2011 : 23:29:14
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Hi Bill.
I would say its the right Ingrid Aadsadter born in Østre Goe you found.
That there were two with the same seldon name in the same area born 1820-21, that possibility was almost zero Einar.
Aad Goe died as "Folgemand", another word was "Kaarmand" which means he by a legal contract secured himself free support for himself and his wife for rest of life on Goe Østre from the new owner.
The new owner was most likely a son/daughter.
It was not the fathers that were recorded in the 1842 wedding but the Best men, in this case Ingebord´s father Aad Goe and a relattive or friend to Sjur, Haldor Fatland from the Fatland farm in Fjeldberg, perhaps also a realtive to the 1869 emigrant Elias Omundsen Fatland.
I do not know if this is the same person but a Haldor Fatland is buried in the Fjeldberg Cemetery, Iowa, with 6 members of the Fatland family.
Not easy to read the dates, see here
Kåre
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Kåarto
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Posted - 10/06/2011 : 00:09:53
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Carol,
the 1876 and 1877 emigration ships from Norway to England where ship was changed.
Kåre |
Edited by - Kåarto on 10/06/2011 00:11:08 |
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bhenshaw
Starting member
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Posted - 10/06/2011 : 00:37:47
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Kåre,
Thanks for your explanations and for all your help. It is much appreciated. I too have seen many different spellings for names and places. I'm sure also that Ingeborg Oddsdatter is the one that died in 1861. I'm just not sure who the Ingeborg Olsdatter is that came with Sjur to Talgje in 1865.
Thanks,
Bill |
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bhenshaw
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Posted - 10/06/2011 : 00:57:02
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Einar,
Thank you for the additional information on Aad Jonasen's family. I will do more research on them. Thanks for all your help.
Bill |
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Joanne Kidd
Starting member
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Posted - 10/06/2011 : 05:10:14
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I'm another of the group of four researching the Gaards and am overwhelmed by the amount of information provided. My thanks as well to all of you who have made contributions.
Does anyone know if there is any data on travel from North America to Norway? I wondered if Jonas might have gone back in 1873 to encourage his siblings to join him. It seems unlikely but I have not found any other Jonas Sjurson or Sivertson in the U.S. who doesn't match the dates for our Jonas. He seems to have applied for a military pension as John S. Gaard. The application has a note saying "Sivertson, John (alias)". Widow Julia, living in Illinois, applied for a widow's pension in 1895, the year of John's death. The date of his application is difficult to read, but it looks like it might be 1873.
The other thing I learned when I visited Talgje last year was that some people from Rennesoy came by boat to attend the church on Talgje. This may have been the means by which the older Gaard children developed contacts on Talgje. In those days Elin, Rakel and Jonas would all have been of an age to be working by the early 1860s.
I am still digesting all of the information that has been posted so may have other questions before long. |
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