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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 03/10/2011 : 17:22:59
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This is likely the arrival of Hans Myhre born in 1883. He is going to his uncle Nils ???? in Stoughton Wisconsin.
Name: Hans Myhre
Arrival Date: 28 May 1904
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Norwegian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Cretic
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Nils Hehoner
Last Residence: Norway
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2011 : 17:31:38
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Hi,
Here is the marriage record for Hans Myer and Olga Fossum in the Wisconsin Marriages database at www.familysearch.org:
Groom's Name: Hens Meyer
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace: Norway
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Olga Fossum
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace: Barron Co., Wis.
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 22 Jan 1902
Marriage Place: Barron, Wisconsin
Groom's Father's Name: Johan Meyer
Groom's Mother's Name: Karen Meyer
Bride's Father's Name: Andreas Fossum
Bride's Mother's Name: Oleanna Rentz
Groom's Race: White
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race: White
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00336-3
System Origin: Wisconsin-EASy
Source Film Number: 1275771
Reference Number: Pg 00363 #11
Groom's parent's names Johan could equal Hans, Karen = Karen, but altogether need to find if Hans is Norwegian or German or what....
Jackie M.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 03/10/2011 : 17:40:00
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Hi,
Here is the family in 1910 census at www.familysearch.org:
Name: Hans Myer
Birthplace: Norway
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Residence: Stanley, Barron, Wisconsin
Marital Status: Married
Race : White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1882
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Family Number: 29
Page Number: 2
Household Gender Age
Hans Myer M 39y
Spouse Olga Myer F 31y
Child Oscar R Myer M 7y
Child Henry J Myer M 5y
Child Dagney S Myer F 1y
But do have to eliminate him as he is also found in Barron County, 1900 living with his parents John and Carrie and 1883 year of migration.
Jackie M.
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Edited by - jkmarler on 03/10/2011 17:40:49 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2011 : 17:51:46
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Hi,
Did Hans have a brother named Peder b. 1869?
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kent ryen
Starting member
Norway
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Posted - 03/10/2011 : 22:14:40
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hi and thanks for all your continuous efforts and help in solving this mystery! Hans did not have any siblings by the name Peder; his only full-blooded sister (my great grandmother) stayed behind in Norway. They did, however, have two half brothers and one half sister; of whom at least two emigrated, but since Hans never lived with any of them in Norway - I even doubt that he ever knew them (all had different fathers, all were sent away as foster children/servants at an early age; Hans to the farm Myhre, where he stayed until he left for America) - I find it unlikely that they eventually met up in the States. But just for he sake of good order;
1 - half brother Martin Christiansen, b. 13 april 1859, emigrated from Oslo on 2 May 1879 with a ticket for Chicago
2 - half brother Martin Olsen, b. 13 April 1859, may be identical to the one who emigrated from Oslo on 11 July 1882
3 - half sister Agnete Olsdatter, b. 28 July 1863, emigrated from Oslo on 6 November 1885, with a ticket for Chicago.
The Familysearch tip might have paid off, though: searcing for "Hans", "Edgerton, WI", and "1889-1910" and birth year "1870" leaves a couple of interesting candidates;
Candidate 1 - Birth date is only four days off from "my" Hans; birth place seems to correspond; have no idea where the Berg name comes from, though. Arrival port does not match with what we previously have found (Philadelphia). There are several places called "Nes" in Norway, but the name (Bjørnstad) of one of the witnesses in this file points to Nes in Hedmark county (there is indeed a Bjørnstad farm close to Myhre). And better yet; there are no other Hans Hansens born in Nes around that time, so this lead may be a hot one:
Hans Hansen Berg
Event: Naturalization
Event Place: Wisconsin
Event Date: 1908
Age:
Birth Year: 1870
Birthplace: Norway
NARA Publication Title: Soundex Index to Naturalization Petitions for U.S. District & Circuit Courts, Northern District of Illinois and Immigration and Naturalization Service District 9, 1840-1950
NARA Publication Number: M1285
NARA Roll Number: 20
Film Number: 1432020
Digital Folder Number: 004640964
Image Number: 03562
Candidate 2 - Nordby (with d) is the name of the farm in Nes, Hedmark, Norway, where "my" Hans was a foster son during the 1875 census. I also know for a fact that his father worked at this farm as a day laborer. Immigration year is pretty close (1890 vs 1889):
Name: Hans Norby
Event: Census
Event Date: 1930
Event Place: Edgerton, Rock, Wisconsin
Gender: Male
Age: 58
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Birthplace: Norway
Estimated Birth Year: 1872
Immigration Year: 1890
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Enumeration District Number: 0019
Family Number: 174
Sheet Number and Letter: 7A
Line Number: 23
NARA Publication: T626, roll 2610
Film Number: 2342344
Digital Folder Number: 4547578
Image Number: 00549
Will try to follow these trails and see where they may lead; but will still much appreciate any tips and hints you may have! |
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kent ryen
Starting member
Norway
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kent ryen
Starting member
Norway
22 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2011 : 22:58:37
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2011 : 23:37:55
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Hi Kent,
Well there is this Hans H. Berg in 1900 in HeritageQuest:
BERG HANS H 29 M W NORW WI DANE CHRISTIANA 1900
His birth month is Dec and year is 1871.
And this Hans Norby in 1900 in HeritageQuest
NORBY HANS 28 M W NORW WI DANE 4-WD MADISON 1900
And his birth moth is Feb and year is 1872.
Jackie |
Edited by - jkmarler on 03/10/2011 23:45:03 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2011 : 01:15:54
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Hi,
Here is something a bit peculiar:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f00411&gardpostnr=264&merk=264#ovre
In Hans Berg's household in 1920:
Name: Konstance Jongaard
Residence: , Dane, Wisconsin
Estimated Birth Year: 1892
Age: 28
Birthplace: Norway
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Gender: Female
Race: White
Marital Status: Divorced
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Film Number: 1821981
Digital Folder Number: 4390346
Image Number: 00284
Sheet Number: 4
Household Gender Age
Parent Hans Berg M 49y
Konstance Jongaard F 28y
Hellen E Tommerli F 2y
Ole Urdahal M 26y
Konstanse Hansdatter's confirmation #6:
Kildeinformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Nes i Nes, Ministerialbok nr. 14 (1906-1929), Konfirmerte 1907, side 91.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=4054&idx_id=4054&uid=ny&idx_side=-91
In order to be this Hans, your man had to be in Norway 1891ish.
More on Konstance and there are actually 2 baptismal entries in the Norway Baptisms at www.familysearch.org. The other's location is the Rikshospitalet in Oslo and then this:
Name: Constance Hansen
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 17 Jan 1892
Baptism/Christening Place: Hamre, Hordaland, Norway
Birth Date: 13 Jan 1892
Birth Place:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Hans Hansen
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Johanne Hansen Bjerke
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02451-7
System Origin: Norway-EASy
Source Film Number: 1282977
Reference Number:
This is Constance's baptismal record #25, father Hans born 1870 and mother, in a rather coincidental convergence of names, married to or on Nordby in Nesodden:
Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Rikshospitalet, Ministerialbok nr. 8 (1890-1893), Fødte og døpte 1892, side 115.
Permanent sidelenke: www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5429&idx_id=5429&uid=ny&idx_side=-122" target="_blank">http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5429&idx_id=5429&uid=ny&idx_side=-122
And here in the Oslo leaving list 1912:
212161 1912 175 17 1 25.07.1912 27.07.1912 Konstance Jonsgaard ug hjemmearb. k 13.01.1892 Nes, Hedemarken Chicago 90 Elster Spero prp. til slægtn
And here is Constance Bjornstad, her husband Carl and daughter Helen returning to Stoughton, Wisconsin after a trip to Norway on the Stavangerfjord arriving at New York, she is line 5:
www.ellisisland.org/search/shipManifest.asp?MID=05488120970901904960&pID=100102090154" target="_blank">http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipManifest.asp?MID=05488120970901904960&pID=100102090154
And here is an obit for a Marion Bjornstad Holtan daughter of Constance Jonsgaard in the Madison Wisc. paper:
Holtan, Marion M.
STOUGHTON - Marion M. Holtan, age 75, passed away on Monday, Aug. 7, 2006, at Stoughton Hospital. She was born on May 11, 1931, in Utica, on the Bjornstad farm, a daughter of Constance (Jonsgaard) and Carl Bjornstad. Marion graduated from Deerfield High School in 1949. She worked for the state of Wisconsin for 22 years. Marion is survived by her children, Tom (Sandy) Holtan of Cambridge, Mick (Jeannie) Holtan of Stoughton, Kim (Robert) Huberd of Stoughton, and Dale Holtan; seven grandchildren; a great-grandchild; a sister, Helen Frank of Stoughton; and a brother, Philip Bjornstad of Madison. She was preceded in death by her parents; and half-brother, Ruben Bjornstad. Funeral services will be held at GUNDERSON STOUGHTON FUNERAL HOME, Highway 51 N. at Jackson St., at 2 p.m. on Friday, Aug. 11, 2006, with the Rev. Karen Kiener presiding. Visitation will be at the funeral home from 1 p.m. until the time of the service. Memorials may be made to Diabetes Association and Dane County Humane Society.
Gunderson Stoughton Funeral & Cremation Centers Highway 51 N. at Jackson St. (608) 873-4590 www.gundersonfh.com
SSDI at www.rootsweb.com for Constance Bjornstad:
BJORNSTAD, CONSTANCE 13 Jan 1892 May 1979 87 53589 (Stoughton, Dane, WI) 53589 (Stoughton, Dane, WI) Wisconsin 391-32-4344
Jackie M. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 04/10/2011 05:14:15 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2011 : 03:53:29
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Hi,
In 1930 it looks like Hans Berg has found a wife from familysearch.org:
Name: Hans H Berg
Event: Census
Event Date: 1930
Event Place: Pleasant Springs, Dane, Wisconsin
Gender: Male
Age: 59
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Birthplace: Norway
Estimated Birth Year: 1871
Immigration Year: 1892
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Enumeration District Number: 0064
Family Number: 220
Sheet Number and Letter: 10B
Line Number: 97
NARA Publication: T626, roll 2568
Film Number: 2342302
Digital Folder Number: 4547876
Image Number: 00066
Household Gender Age
Hans H Berg M 59
Spouse Mary Berg F 51
Nels Gylond M 68
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2011 : 05:13:17
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Here is the arrival record for Hans Hansen arriving in Canada in 1892. Other people from the emigaranter fra Oslo list are on this ship. No new informaion was found in the ships manifest.
Name: Hans Hansen
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Date of Arrival: 4 Jun 1892
Vessel: Sardinian
Search Ship Database: View the 'Sardinian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec and Montreal, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2011 : 05:45:34
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Here is the naturalizaton record for Hans Norby. The document states he was born Feb 8, 1872 in Hamar, Norway. It also lists his immigration as arriving in New York City, Mar 12, 1889.
Name: Hans Norby
Birth Date: 8 Feb 1872
Birth Place: Norway
Age at event: 34
Court District: Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa
Year of Arrival: 1889
Date of Action: 25 Sep 1906
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kent ryen
Starting member
Norway
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Posted - 04/10/2011 : 08:26:36
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Well, I think that means we can rule out Hans Norby. What we have so far then, are two emigrations, both by a Hans Hansen from Nes, Hedmark county, Norway, born ca. 1870:
-one in April 1889, arrival in Philadelphia. No corresponding naturalization record.
-one in June 1892, arrival in Quebec. This candidate settled in Wisconsin, and birth date of 12 Dec 1870 in naturalization record is a fairly good match with my Hans Hansen (16 dec). This candidate apparently left a baby behind in Norway, who later joined him in Wisconsin. His son-in-law Carl Bjorrnstad was recorded as a witness in Hans Hansens naturalization record.
-There are no other Hans Hansens born in Nes, Hedmark around 1870.
One possible theory could then be that the 1889 and 1892 arrivals are by the same person? Who returned to Norway, only to return to America in 1892 and settle for good?
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2011 : 14:27:30
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Hi Kent,
Thanks for the brilliant summary!
What you've described is the "tidiest" scenario.
The least tidy thing would be that your original Hans Hans Myhre b. 16 Dec 1870, Næs, Hedmark son of husman Hans Gunderson Byeiet age 37 and his wife, age 41 left Norway in 1889 for America never to return, nor to maintain any or only minimal contact with his sibling and that he remains unfound.
And the gray & slightly messy arrea between is another situation leading to a "Frankenstein's monster", leg of one, arm of another and so on.
It is a different thing to say there is a record that labels him as the person vs records which say it's difficult for him to be someone else.
But it is possible that there is another Hans Hanson Berg who was born 4 days differently than 16 Dec 1870 and in some other place in Norway, who came to America.
That is why other records on the ground should also be searched. In particular, if he was a church-going person, the transformation of his name from Myrhe to Berg might be seen in the baptisms he stood faddernes to, etc.
He had contact enough with Norway to be able to know that he had a daughter and to pay for his daughter's ticket to America in 1912.
He finally married between 1922 --when Mary arrived from Norway and 1930-- there should be a record of that. ( By the by, the full schedule of the 1930 census asks a question of each married adult--at what age did you marry the first time? So the year might get further narrowed.)
The complete record of his naturalization (if you don't already have it) might contain a date/port of arrival and possible travel information.
Apparently, Constance kept some sort of contact with Norway (cousin Nordby or Nordberg in Chicago) and it's possible that her surviving children might know (in 2006 there were 2, but they are aged) and that this information has been lodged in her grandchildren as well.
An obituary published in the local paper might also contain biographical information on Hans, Constance & Mary, such as where in Norway they originated.
This has been a terrifically fun research!
Jackie M. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2011 : 17:30:51
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I looked at the 1930 US Census record for Han and Mary Berg. For age at first marriage for Hans it is difficult to read but I would for a best guess think it reads 57. For Mary however it reads 42. Which must mean that Mary was married for the first time in 1915 and Hans for the first time in 1928. I guess we would assume that Mary was married at least once before she married Hans.
Name: Hans H Berg
Home in 1930: Pleasant Springs, Dane, Wisconsin
View Map
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Berg
Race: White
Household Members: Name Age
Hans H Berg 59
Mary Berg 57
Nels Tylond 68
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