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MayB
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 Posted - 06/01/2013 : 00:54:16
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| I am bumping this one as I suspect it might be related to me. I need to search more to be sure.. :) |
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bmcnallie
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Posted - 11/01/2018 : 20:02:41
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It looks like I started this post 6 years ago...WOW...how time flies. Since my question is somewhat connected I will continue on this post.
I am wondering if (or how) it might be possible to find any siblings for Thorstein Pedersen-Braaten (1813) and Elisabet Torrisdatter-Knappum (1819). I have since found a lot of info on THEIR children.
Also,Since this first post my husband has taken an Ancestry DNA test. We have found some matches with his norwegian background. This Thorstein Pedersen and Elisabet Torrisdatter family apparently had one other child named Bernt Thorstenson (1844-1920) because a decendent of Bernt showed up as a cousin to my husband. Never knew about that child.
Anyways, I have since corresponded with some DNA matches that seem to indicate that my husband is related a few generations back to a Torsten Mikkelson (1759) who was married to a Inger Pedersdatter (1754-1820). The farm name Kokkin seems to keep popping up.
I was thinking that if I could find siblings I may be able to draw a line to Torsten Mikkelson.
You were so helpful many years ago, any ideas on this question?
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 11/01/2018 : 21:10:33
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You can take a look at the "Kokkin" farm in the 1801 Norwegian census. Kokkin was located in Aasnes parish, Hof clerical district, Hedmark, Norway -
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=f18010424&gardpostnr=119&sokefelt=skjul
You can see the couple that you've just mentioned above (with slight spelling variation) in that census enumeration page for that farm residence.
The parish records for that time period are included under Hof clerical district and that would be how you would PROVE siblings born to the same parents. That is what I recommend you use to find siblings.
Your other option MIGHT be to consult the published books “Åsnesboka”, 2 volumes (author unknown). “Øvre Solør: Alminnelig Historie” 2 volumes by Håvard Skirbekk. |
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bmcnallie
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Posted - 12/01/2018 : 15:28:44
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Thank you for this information. I will research these people and see if they are connected.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2018 : 22:41:30
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Thorstein Pedersen-Braaten (1813)
Is this birth year correct?
Do you have a baptism record for him or a link to one?
Of the ones I have looked at this looks the closest to what you have posted. Born out of wedlock. Also mentioned is Brede Hendrichsen Grafberget.
Torsten Pedersen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Torsten Pedersen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: nov 1812
Baptism Date: 15 nov 1812
Baptism Place: , Hof, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Peder Hendrechsen
Mother: Berthe Torstend
FHL Film Number: 124288
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Original record right hand page
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A little more difficult to find siblings to Thorstein Pedersen.
However if the above Torsten Pedersen is your man then maybe his father fathered a child named Anne with a Johanne Joensdatter in 1815. Right hand page near the bottom.
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From an earlier post
First question. I need a refresher on where to find information. I want to find the father and mother of Tosten Pedersen Braaten born Nov. 16, 1812 in Asnes.
Also, the father and mother of Lisabet Torrisdatter Knappum born 4 Sept 1819 in Asnes. Tosten and Lisabet were married 3 Sept 1843. |
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bmcnallie
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Posted - 13/01/2018 : 02:43:10
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After looking at my notes, Torsten Pedersen is recorded as being born 1812 in the parish of Gjesasen.
Not sure about the above record for Eli Thoresen. I found in my notes that she was born September 4, 1819. So I looked in the above links to the churchbook until I found one---page 46 and #56. Elizabet Torrisdatter. I see Toris as father but can't read last name. Also, mother is Pernille Pedersdatter --which I did not have that name. Can someone tell me what else it says? Thanks
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/01/2018 : 03:07:57
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Gjesåsen is a largely agricultural area located in the municipality of Åsnes in Hedmark, It seems that Gjesåsen parish records are folded in to Åsnes until 1866 when Gjesåsen is listed as a local parish within Åsnes
It helps if you can provide a link or at least where you found the person. But the birth date worked well.
Elisabet Toresen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Elisabet Toresen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 4 sep 1819
Baptism Date: 15 sep 1819
Baptism Place: , Hof, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Toris Hansen
Mother: Pernille Pedersd
FHL Film Number: 124288
The writing you are probably referring to are the fadder ie witnesses or god parents. Rough guess Halvor Eriksen Telle, Erik Halvorsen ibed.. Pernill Halvorsdatter ibed., Kari Chritiandsdatter Bjørnbye
Two of the fadder are located on Telle in the 1801 Census. And Kari is on Bjørnebye in 1801.
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The farm name attached to Pernille is Haslerud. Maybe this one, although there is an error in which she is referred to as a son?
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If you are feeling comfortable that this is the right Elizabeth I will probably delete the information on the Eli Toresen in the earlier post. |
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bmcnallie
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Posted - 13/01/2018 : 04:59:57
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| lyndal49--I think that this Elizabet seems like the one. And the link you provided for Pernille Pedersdatter was interesting...but I have a question. So on this link https://digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058242002341 for Pernille Pedersdatter it states she is 16 and living on the Haslerud Farm. Are any of those other people listed her mother or father? Wouldn't her father be named Peder? Thanks for your help. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/01/2018 : 12:39:51
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| Yes she is the illegitimate child of her mother, Marte Bergersdatter, who is listed just above her. Her mother is married for the 1st time to Johanes Johandsen and he is Pernille's step father and is just above her mother. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/01/2018 : 17:22:12
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Follow up to the good explanation from Jackie.This is likely her baptism record and yes her father is named Peder.
Pernelle Pedersen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Pernelle Pedersen
[Pernelle Embretsen]
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 28 nov 1784
Baptism Place: Hof, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Peder Embretsen
Mother: Marte Bergersd
FHL Film Number: 124288
Here is a link to the original record. Quite difficult to read but it is near the bottom on the left hand page. It is the record just above the words Aasnes 2nd Søndag Advent 5th Dec. Her record is the one to the right of the word uægte i.e. illegitimate.
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bmcnallie
Medium member
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Posted - 13/01/2018 : 22:27:39
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Thank you for all your help. I have found this record and am hoping that it is the marriage of my Lisabet Torrisdatter and Tosten Pedersen. This is listed here...#40. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9163/161?indexing= The only think different is it says father is Torris Olsen and not Torris Hansen. Any thoughts.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/01/2018 : 22:48:19
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I think you have a problem, you have two candidates for your Lisbet Torrisdatter. The marriage you have linked to is the same Eli Toresddater that i had posted above and recently deleted. Here is the Ancestry.com record on her. Note her father is named Torris Olsen.
Name: Eli Toresen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 14 des 1819 (14 Dec 1819)
Baptism Date: 26 des 1819 (26 Dec 1819)
Baptism Place: , Hof, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Toris Olsen
Mother: Maria Christiansd
FHL Film Number: 124288
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The Lisbet Torrisdatter that you have favored is shown here. Her father is Torris Hansen. So the marriage record you have linked to does not match this Elisabet.
Elisabet Toresen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Elisabet Toresen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 4 sep 1819
Baptism Date: 15 sep 1819
Baptism Place: , Hof, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Toris Hansen
Mother: Pernille Pedersd
FHL Film Number: 124288
#56
So a question for you. Where does the birthdate of Sept 4,, 1819 come from and why are you sure that it belongs to your person of interest. The person it belongs to does not seem to fit. |
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bmcnallie
Medium member
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Posted - 13/01/2018 : 22:53:48
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Oops...you are right. Well...I need to look into this problem.
Thanks
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bmcnallie
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/01/2018 : 23:57:39
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You got it. I think that the farm name is likely Knappum. They were living at Knappum for the marriage and birth of Thea.
Daughter Pernille and posted by Einar on page 1
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Bernt
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Thea also posted by Einar. From 1847
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I have them living at Braaten in 1865
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Edited by - AntonH on 15/01/2018 17:44:32 |
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