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Marlys Nelson
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 Posted - 13/05/2012 : 23:42:34
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Can someone help me with my "brick wall?"
I first locate my gggrandfather, Even Jonson, as a member of the Tinnsjo Kompani in 1797. His age is stated as 27 and he has been in service for 3 1/4 years. He is unmarried.
He married Kirsti Eriksdatter Brukaas in Heddal in 1795.
They had a daughter in Ramnes, Vestfold in 1797.
The couple ilved on Timmermoen under Landsverk in Sauland, Hjartdal parish in 1801. His age is listed as 30. He is a husmann
The first wife and two daughters die.
He married Thone Torguisdatter Hauglien and had numerous children. They lived on Mourbrekke and Bruebakken in Sauland.
Even died Nov 15, 1857, age 95 (!).
Since his first child is Gunhild, I think his parents may have been a John and Gunhild.
John Olson and Gunhild Olsdatter Bernaas have a child, Even, born on Nov. 18, 1764 in Tinn. I find no further references to them and do not locate "my" Even until he appears with Tinnsjo Kompani.
I understand Kċarto's ancestor was a colonel in Tinnsjo Kompani at that time. Does he have more information about it? A couple other grandfathers served in that unit also, I believe. Any help I can receive will be greatly appreciated!
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Kċarto
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Posted - 14/05/2012 : 08:47:51
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Hi.
I will make some searches for you.
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Kċarto
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Posted - 14/05/2012 : 09:41:17
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Hi.
You have done an impressing resurch.
I have info reg. Kirtsi Eriksdatter Brukaas parents and siblings. Brukaas was a subfarm under Holte. Her father was married three times, Kirsti´s mother was his third wife.
Even b. Nov. 18. 1764 in Tinn (Tind) to Jon Olsen Bernaas (Bernrċs) and Gunnild Olsdatter is a good candidate. He was bap. in Atraa /Attrċ/Atrċ old stave church from ca.1180, the old church was demolished because of bad condition ca 1830.
I think the company from Tinn was Tinnske company, a company in Telemark Infantry Regiment.
Interesting that you use the name Tinnsjĝ company, was it a local name or an official name of the company?
Lake Tinnsjĝ is the largest lake in Tinn municipality.
My ancestor was Jacob v. Z., L. colonel in the regiment, lived on farm Hem Lille in Sauherad municipality, he and a younger brother Peter Nicolaj came to the regiment as captains when it was established 1789. Jacob v. Z. died 1810.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 24/05/2012 17:19:16 |
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Marlys Nelson
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Posted - 14/05/2012 : 16:07:30
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Thanks for looking, Kċarto...I think the people from Bernaas could be Even's parents...but naturally I want to know MORE about them. Many years ago I found the info about Even's military days and...being the sloppy documenter I was....I jotted down Tinnsjo Kompani from the film I was reading....an error in reading? I have NOT been able to relocate that film since.
I have laboriously translated the info about Kirsti's family....the Heddal bygdebok is VERY interesting.....Kirsti's father's first wife, as you must know, was accused of conspiring to kill someone with a soldier as a possible accomplice. Over her husband's protests she was found guilty and beheaded....her body rotted away on a wheel at the entrance to the farm and her head was on a pike for three years. Yikes! Something for her husband and daughter to see/survive.
I hope someone somehow can pin my ramblin' Even down with certainty! |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 14/05/2012 : 19:59:08
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Perhaps the Bygdebook from Tinn,Tinnsoga, has the answere.
Wasn´t it difficult to translate 1920 Heddal dialect on a translater?
Poor woman.
Ingrid Hĝljesdatter was convicted in killing soldier Kolbjĝrn Tovsen with two strokes with a stone in his left thawing and two stabs with a knife to his head in the barn on Brukaas.
After three years in prison she was sentenced to death and executed with a sword near Brukaas and her body placed on a wheel and the head on a pole in a middle of the wheel.
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Kċarto
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Posted - 14/05/2012 : 20:09:54
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Kirsti Eriksdatter Brukaas mother Margit Rollevsdatter Stiven´s g.g.grandfather Gregar Halvorsen Ryen (Rygi) 1605-1671 and Gunne Halvorsdatter lived in 1688 was my ancestor´s too.
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Marlys Nelson
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Posted - 14/05/2012 : 22:47:05
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The Tinn bygdebok has not been very helpful, although Hellek Sveinson's 2nd marriage produced a son, Jon in 1747..with no further information. Since Even is a bit of an unusual name in that vicinity I think he may have been born elsewhere (that I can't find). I shall probably have to reread the Tinn records to satisfy myself that there are no other possible Evens!
I have also always had a problem with my Aadne Olson from Stensrud in Gransherrad....his wive's family is connected to Hem in Sauherad. Now I notice that Flaaterud in Heddal was connected to Tharald HEM, as well. One of Tharlad's tenants in 1645 was Aadne Olson. That makes me curious, since Aadne is also a bit of an unusual name. I shall probably have to become more adept at figuring out probate records. |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 15/05/2012 : 19:56:18
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Can´t find any other Even Johnsen than the one b. 1764 on Bernaas in Tinn.
Here is the 1795 wedding in Heddal on Mai 14, engaged April 17 to share with others:
Bachelor and soldier Even JohnS Tinn?? and maid Kirsti Eriksd., 3. from top here
The info that he served in Tinsjĝ/Tinnske company, is it online?
There were Tinn names in Heddal too, 3 farms; Tinne, Tinnes nordre and Tinnes sĝndre
I do not have any new information on Aadne Olsen Stensrud (Stenersrud) in Gransherad than the 2010 topic in this forum.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 15/05/2012 23:35:54 |
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Marlys Nelson
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Posted - 15/05/2012 : 21:34:33
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Thanks for searching for Even's parents. I will have to keep that Bernaas couple as his 'possible' parents.
I found the references to Even's military service in a film I read at a Mormon library MANY years ago....I didn't write the film number down and, of course, I haven't been able to find it again! Document, document, document. |
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Kċarto
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Posted - 16/05/2012 : 13:56:34
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In 1797 Even Johnsen/Jonsen was a concripted soldier in 1. Nasjonale bataljon (batallion) Tinnske kompani, Telemarkske regiment.
Summer 1814 Telemark regiment consisting of 3 enlisted companies, 18 national companies in 3 battalions were send to the border in the war against Sweden
Normally to get married as a soldier you had to get permission from the military authorities.
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Marlys Nelson
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Posted - 17/05/2012 : 18:26:50
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This gets interesting. Do you know all the places that regiment served.? They must have been stationed around Heddal for a bit, as Even met and married a Heddal girl. I also assume he was still in the army when his first daughter was born at Ramnes, Vestfold.
Two of my Saubĝ/Steinsrud relatives must have served under your ancestor, according to Gransherad bygdebok, page 152. Ĝstein was "utkommandert in krigen 1808" and my gg grandfather, Ole, was born about 1760 and is mentioned as an "underoffiser."
If the unit saw any action in the "border war" of 1808 in Hedmark/Varmland, the Swedes made a relative's farm, Medskogen, their command post. Incidently my husband's ancestor from the Trondelag ski unit was killed in the battle and is probably buried in the Ċsnes churchyard.
Thanks for the interesting tidbits!
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Kċarto
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Posted - 17/05/2012 : 23:33:53
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Hi.
Just came home, look into your question tomorrow.
Apropo the 1814 war.
Norway is celebrating Mai 17. 1814 today, link
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Marlys Nelson
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Posted - 18/05/2012 : 16:13:42
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Thanks for any additonal information you may provide...I will be out of town for a week or more.
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Kċarto
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Posted - 19/05/2012 : 17:51:40
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Hi.
I am not sure if Telemark regiment paticipated in the 1808 war called the Dano-Swedish war or was a stand by Regiment.
Ĝysten was "utkommandert til 1808 krigen - mobilized to the 1808 war.
Ole 1760 was "underoffiser" a non comissioned officer, NCO.
The periode of service was 8 years, then you could be transfered to the "landvern" local militia.
Your ancestor from the "border war" at Midtskogen serving in a ski unit on ca 200-300 soldiers in either 1 or 2. Trondhjemske regiment from Trĝndelag.
A unit of sharp shooters from 1. regiment and a of unit Grenadiers (Enlisted soldiers) from 2. regiment.
Totally 750 soldiers from Trĝndelag.
The march from Trondheim to Elverum were done in 14 days, the last days the 750 soldiers marched ca 3 Miles a day.
The battle that took place on April 25. 1808 is called the battle of Trangen
Sorry, but all info coming next is in Norwegian, a short summary.
Farms mentiones are; Sĝnsterud, Gammelseter and Nyen.
Norwegian commander in this left-winged brigade on ca 1300 men stationed in a area called "12-milsskogen" 12-mileforest from Midtskogen to Baltebĝl at the river Flisa.
Commanding officer was colonel Bernhard Ditlef von Staffeldt.
From a unit of 500 Swedes under command by colonel Carl Pontus Gahn only 100 returned to Sweden, the rest ended as POW or were killed.
Norway lost 45 soldiers, they were all buried in a common grave in Ċsnes churchyard where a memorial stone is raised. Link to the stone and English version from another source here
I hundreds of years there were so many wars between Norwy-Denmark and Sweden.
In 1814 Norway was by those days superpowers forced into an unwanted union with Sweden, lasted until 1905.
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Marlys Nelson
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Posted - 27/05/2012 : 18:58:41
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Hi Kċre,
Back from a 2500 mile road trip...enough!
Thanks for posting some of the details on Trangen. I think my ancestors were always in the wrong place at the wrong time, as the NORWEGIAN army (!) burned several of them out at Hjerkinn and Kongsvold in another battle to prevent the Swedes from using the places!
Do you know why the Telemark unit would have been at Ramnes in Vestfold in 1797 when Even Johnson's first chld was born there? Were they sent various places in Norway for training or was there some (probably Swedish) threat at that time?
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Kċarto
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Posted - 27/05/2012 : 23:52:59
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Hi.
A long trip. ca 45000 Kilometer.
Not sure reg. Ramnes, todays Ree municipality.
Ramnes had perhaps a small unit in one of the three Jarlsbergske companies in Vestfold County, former 2. Smaalenske regiment that became a part of 1. National batallion in Telemark regiment 1789.
Living along the border in the 15th, 16th. 17th and 18th century could often because of all the wars be the " wrong place".
Hjerkinn is the oldest family business in Norway, 12 and 13 generation ran the Mountain lodge today.
Kongsvold estab. in the 1100th (English link)
If I come across more news I will return tomorrow.
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