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JackWilson
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 Posted - 03/06/2012 : 03:14:13
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It is interesting. The first official time I encounter Charles was in the 1866-67 Brooklyn Or Lain's directory. I would be interested if he is found in 1864-65 directory. Or in the 1865 Brooklyn census.
I think his beginning house was with his Father in Law John Rheinhardt at 83 Bridge Street. |
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JackWilson
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 03:17:02
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It is interesting. The first official time I encounter Charles was in the 1866-67 Brooklyn Or Lain's directory. I would be interested if he is found in 1864-65 directory. Or in the 1865 Brooklyn census.
I think his beginning house was with his Father in Law John Rheinhardt at 83 Bridge Street.
I wonder if there is a way to see his past voyages if he was with the same Company.quote:
Originally posted by JaneC
I am breathless with all this new information!
EUREKA!!!!!!!!
You have found a CHARLES WILSON FROM CHRISTIANSUND ! ! ! ! ! !
We have:
Charles Wilson of Brooklyn, likely born 19 June 1834.
Carl Johan Olsen of Christiansund, born 19 June 1834.
Karl Johan, king of Norway, aka Charles John
Charles Wilson of Brooklyn has a son Charles John
Charles Wilson of Brooklyn is a seafaring man first and then, as he becomes a family man and works from home, he works on boats in the harbor
Carl Johan Olsen of Christiansund has a father and family who are seafaring people and people who work on boats
Carl Johan Olsen of Christiansund has not been found in later census in Norway, even though his mother and siblings are found.
A Charles Wilson from Christiansund jumps ship; no person named Charles Wilson exists in Christiansund, so the name is an adopted American name
"Our" Charles Wilson of Brooklyn jumps ship
Charles Wilson of Christiansund is born about 1835
As I see it, and as mentioned already in the forum, jumping ship doesn't preclude being a father. Being a father could be the reason he jumped ship. We don't know the story in full.
When we started this project, we all knew it's impossible to establish with absolute certainty the connection between Brooklyn and Norway. The best outcome I hoped for was to find bits and pieces of evidence. We would make a pile of these bits of evidence. At some point, we could say, that's a pretty big pile of coincidences.
Taken together, the facts accumulated make it likely we have found the right person in Norway.
A DNA test could be done to establish further proof, working with a descendant of Ole Olsen Hammer in Norway. Further records on Charles in USA can be checked (such as the original of the naturalization record, probably the one in Kings County.)
You guys are absolutely AMAZING! I really don't know how you found this stuff.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 03:37:10
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About this: "There are some Herting folks in the family plot. Did Charles Jr marry a Mathilda Herting? If so there is a picture of she and he in the Picture section of Ancestry. The date is given as 1900. His name is given as Charles John Wilson, Jr."
Computer issues are limiting what I can look at still from this location...wierd...but yes, if my memory serves me correctly, the Family Search family tree says Charles John Wilson Jr. married Mathilda Herting. I'd be interested in seeing that photo! What a good find! I don't know if it s one Jack has or not.... Thank you! |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 03:43:37
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Hey - hi Jack!
FYI, from the Skippy Wilson website
Brooklyn City Directories
Year/ Address/ Occupation
1861-62 145 ____Street - SEAMAN
1862-63 Wolcott N.Richards - LIGHTERMAN (this directory should be checked, as this street name is probably a typo)
1864-65 145 Wolcott Street - LIGHTERMAN
1865-66 145 Wolcott Street - LIGHTERMAN
1866-67 83 Bridge Street - SEAMAN
1867-68 67 Prince - CLERK
Probably the directory lists the occupation that Charles mainly did in a given year. There could be a mix - we don't know, but could be - of seaman/lighterman jobs in any or all the years. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 03:50:32
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Jane,
If you want I can send you an email with a link to the picture if you send me your email address through the norwayheritage system,
Jackie |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 04:00:37
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| Oh fun - I'll get to see how that works. Okay, I just clicked email poster, then I sent you an email. First time I've tried that. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 04:01:05
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At www.genealogybank.com there is one mention of Herzogin von Brabant in the shipping news, newspaper date, where published and paper name:
Date: April 22, 1864
Location: Pennsylvania
Paper: Illustrated New Age
Article type: Passenger List
It is just a snippet but mentions the ship leaving from New York. It's not really a passenger list, but just a brief mention |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 04:30:32
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| Interesting that I can not find a Carl Wilson in any US Census born 1835 +/- 2 born in Norway. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 05:21:43
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Hmmm....yeah you're right that needed to be checked. Thanks a lot!
About the mention of the Herzogin von Brabant in the shipping news...nice little nugget! it is startling how much new history is available about Charles when/if the combination of facts is accepted as referring to one person. He may have made several voyages to distant points - already Bremen, Christiansund, Baltimore, New York City/Brooklyn, and possibly Panama have been mentioned. Again, when/if one accepts the facts together, then Charles did not change his name to Wilson to obsure his identity (hiding because he "jumped ship.") Indeed he already used the name Wilson as a seaman before he jumped ship. Of course there's also the family in Norway and all there is to be learned about them.
Thanks again so much for the latest treasures. |
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JackWilson
Junior member
Philippines
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 08:45:49
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Thanks but that's my website! :)quote:
Originally posted by JaneC
Hey - hi Jack!
FYI, from the Skippy Wilson website
Brooklyn City Directories
Year/ Address/ Occupation
1861-62 145 ____Street - SEAMAN
1862-63 Wolcott N.Richards - LIGHTERMAN (this directory should be checked, as this street name is probably a typo)
1864-65 145 Wolcott Street - LIGHTERMAN
1865-66 145 Wolcott Street - LIGHTERMAN
1866-67 83 Bridge Street - SEAMAN
1867-68 67 Prince - CLERK
Probably the directory lists the occupation that Charles mainly did in a given year. There could be a mix - we don't know, but could be - of seaman/lighterman jobs in any or all the years.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 09:42:34
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Originally posted by JackWilson
It is interesting. The first official time I encounter Charles was in the 1866-67 Brooklyn Or Lain's directory. I would be interested if he is found in 1864-65 directory. Or in the 1865 Brooklyn census.
I think his beginning house was with his Father in Law John Rheinhardt at 83 Bridge Street.
Yes we know it's your website Jack - I was pointing out a contradiction between what you said here just now and what you have posted on the website. Did you not notice that? |
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JackWilson
Junior member
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 12:06:16
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Oh, OK. Somewhere I wrote that I did not now think that the Walcott ST Charles was my Charles.
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Originally posted by JaneC
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Originally posted by JackWilson
It is interesting. The first official time I encounter Charles was in the 1866-67 Brooklyn Or Lain's directory. I would be interested if he is found in 1864-65 directory. Or in the 1865 Brooklyn census.
I think his beginning house was with his Father in Law John Rheinhardt at 83 Bridge Street.
Yes we know it's your website Jack - I was pointing out a contradiction between what you said here just now and what you have posted on the website. Did you not notice that?
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 17:18:20
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Ah - now I see it. The website states: "Charles is listed in the following Brooklyn city directories. Please note the street addresses is probably not ours."
So there it is. You meant: "...the WOLCOTT Street address is probably not our Charles."
Same story with the 1875 census? It's mentioned on your website, yet you haven't posted it in this forum. Maybe you've decided it's the wrong guy ... ?
These errors on the website are really good because they remind us how easy it is for any one person - even you or me ! ! ! - to make mistakes. Often we cannot know why the mistake was made.
At the moment that's how I'm viewing the name of Charles Wilson's father as given on Charles's death certificate. Whoever provided that information to the record-keeper may well have been mistaken.
If we had a marriage certificate, it might provide Charles's father's name (as told by Charles while alive). Maybe some day it will be found...
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JackWilson
Junior member
Philippines
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 17:46:40
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| I just looked for the 1875 census but all I see is a mention of it. I have no copy. As for a marriage certificate, the records were not so good back then unless of course we could find a Church where they were married. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/06/2012 : 20:12:59
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Okay you don't have a copy...and I'm thinking you also do not have a transcription of what is in that census.
Earlier you wrote, "I found the middle name of his son at the M.E. Church records in N.J." Don't know what church you mean (a Methodist church presumably), or where in New Jersey, but would that church be a likely place for the marriage record?
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Charles Olson aka Wilson b 1834 in maybe Oslo
