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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 01/08/2012 : 03:00:13
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Originally posted by carolchapman
I have been searching all over - arkivverket - slekt and numerous other geneaology sites for any details on Jon Olson and/or his parents (and other ancestors) or siblings or details of theiir children Olaf Gerhard, Helga, Magda and Hanna. I have had help from this site so I do have names but can't seem to find any other information . I'd be grateful if someone could point me in the right direction
Carol,
I am astounded that you have searched the arkiverket and not found anything. I just spent 2 minutes and found the sister Hanna's baptism, starting with the little bit of information you have.
Here is a link to the front page of the Digitalarkiveket:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&tekst=meldingar&spraak=e
The blue bar just under the flag gives choices for most of the most useful databases. It starts with "Database selector" on the left, the transcriptions of the Norwegian censuses from 1801, 1865, 1875, 1900, 1910, then search in all databases, then choices of scanned parish registers, probate records and real estate. This link is to this page in English. If for some reason the main pages appear in Norwegian you can change that page to English by clicking English on the blue bar at the bottom of the page (or by selecting the Union jack on the pages which represent the choice for English that way.)
What do you know about Hanna? Her name is given in the 1900 census transcription to which you have already been given a link. Her name is given as Hanna G. Olsen. Her birth year is given as 1881 and her birthplace is listed as "T" which means this place. Since the farm Østhassel on which she lives is in the parish called Vanse, you have been given a place to look for records on her.
If you select the "scanned parish registers" on the top blue bar a new search engine will open. You want to select "read the parish registers" If for some reason it loads in Norwegian you can change it to English. In the boxes you can input the name of the county (if that is what information you have) or you can type in "Vanse" since you already know that parish's name.
Here is the list of parish registers for Vanse:
Vest-Agder
Farsund: 1887-1920, Parish register (official)
Vanse: 1800-1815, Parish register (official)
Vanse: 1816-1823, Parish register (official)
Vanse: 1835-1846, Parish register (official)
Vanse: 1846-1861, Parish register (official)
Vanse: 1847-1862, Parish register copy
Vanse: 1861-1878, Parish register (official)
Vanse: 1862-1877, Parish register copy
Vanse: 1877-1891, Parish register copy
Vanse: 1892-1923, Parish register copy
Vanse / Farsund: 1815-1836, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Farsund: 1836-1846, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Farsund: 1886-1931, Parish register copy
Vanse / Herad: 1693-1714, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Herad: 1726-1753, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Herad: 1754-1767, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Herad: 1768-1799, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Herad: 1800-1815, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Spind: 1693-1714, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Spind: 1726-1751, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Spind: 1752-1767, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Spind: 1768-1797, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Vanse: 1691-1715, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Vanse: 1726-1742, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Vanse: 1743-1767, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Vanse: 1768-1794, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Vanse: 1795-1823, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Vanse: 1816-1832, Parish register copy
Vanse / Vanse: 1823-1835, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Vanse: 1879-1903, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Vanse: 1924-1947, Parish register copy
Typically the parish books are arranged chronologically the way the pastoral events occur in life: baptisms then confirmations, then marriages, then deaths. The secondary types of records like vaccinations and migration records usually are at the bottom. When you are on the page click on a register which covers 1881 until you find one with baptisms from 1881. Click on that register and look over all the records year by year in it. Click on baptisms of 1881, click on the pointer on the right of the page number reading each page until you find Hanna. At the top there is a choice of image size where you can alter the size on your screen, there is information location wherein you select if you want the documentary information at the top of the page, or bottom or not. On the white keys to the right of the page turning arrow key are choices of New selection, My selection, contents. Contents will give you all the records in the register you selected. My selection will return you to the Vanse list above and New selection will wipe out your choices, start over to find another parish or county to look at.
These registers are handwritten and are in Norwegian. Better to start with this more "modern" era search where there are printed page headings and more clearly written records. The only way for you to swim is by getting your feet wet. Hanna awaits you! |
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carolchapman
Junior member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/08/2012 : 10:29:09
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Thank you - I am obviously doing something wrong then as each time I put in a search it comes with zero results. I have to work now but will get on it tonight.. Yes I suppose I must get my feet - maybe I'll take a break and do the homework first and do the translation etc., so I know more what I'm doing. I do find the handwritten reports very hard to read and can usually find the main person as I know the name but to read the rest of it is not easy.
Thanks again
Regards
Carol
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Originally posted by jkmarler
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Originally posted by carolchapman
I have been searching all over - arkivverket - slekt and numerous other geneaology sites for any details on Jon Olson and/or his parents (and other ancestors) or siblings or details of theiir children Olaf Gerhard, Helga, Magda and Hanna. I have had help from this site so I do have names but can't seem to find any other information . I'd be grateful if someone could point me in the right direction
Carol,
I am astounded that you have searched the arkiverket and not found anything. I just spent 2 minutes and found the sister Hanna's baptism, starting with the little bit of information you have.
Here is a link to the front page of the Digitalarkiveket:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&tekst=meldingar&spraak=e
The blue bar just under the flag gives choices for most of the most useful databases. It starts with "Database selector" on the left, the transcriptions of the Norwegian censuses from 1801, 1865, 1875, 1900, 1910, then search in all databases, then choices of scanned parish registers, probate records and real estate. This link is to this page in English. If for some reason the main pages appear in Norwegian you can change that page to English by clicking English on the blue bar at the bottom of the page (or by selecting the Union jack on the pages which represent the choice for English that way.)
What do you know about Hanna? Her name is given in the 1900 census transcription to which you have already been given a link. Her name is given as Hanna G. Olsen. Her birth year is given as 1881 and her birthplace is listed as "T" which means this place. Since the farm Østhassel on which she lives is in the parish called Vanse, you have been given a place to look for records on her.
If you select the "scanned parish registers" on the top blue bar a new search engine will open. You want to select "read the parish registers" If for some reason it loads in Norwegian you can change it to English. In the boxes you can input the name of the county (if that is what information you have) or you can type in "Vanse" since you already know that parish's name.
Here is the list of parish registers for Vanse:
Vest-Agder
Farsund: 1887-1920, Parish register (official)
Vanse: 1800-1815, Parish register (official)
Vanse: 1816-1823, Parish register (official)
Vanse: 1835-1846, Parish register (official)
Vanse: 1846-1861, Parish register (official)
Vanse: 1847-1862, Parish register copy
Vanse: 1861-1878, Parish register (official)
Vanse: 1862-1877, Parish register copy
Vanse: 1877-1891, Parish register copy
Vanse: 1892-1923, Parish register copy
Vanse / Farsund: 1815-1836, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Farsund: 1836-1846, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Farsund: 1886-1931, Parish register copy
Vanse / Herad: 1693-1714, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Herad: 1726-1753, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Herad: 1754-1767, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Herad: 1768-1799, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Herad: 1800-1815, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Spind: 1693-1714, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Spind: 1726-1751, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Spind: 1752-1767, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Spind: 1768-1797, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Vanse: 1691-1715, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Vanse: 1726-1742, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Vanse: 1743-1767, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Vanse: 1768-1794, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Vanse: 1795-1823, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Vanse: 1816-1832, Parish register copy
Vanse / Vanse: 1823-1835, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Vanse: 1879-1903, Parish register (official)
Vanse / Vanse: 1924-1947, Parish register copy
Typically the parish books are arranged chronologically the way the pastoral events occur in life: baptisms then confirmations, then marriages, then deaths. The secondary types of records like vaccinations and migration records usually are at the bottom. When you are on the page click on a register which covers 1881 until you find one with baptisms from 1881. Click on that register and look over all the records year by year in it. Click on baptisms of 1881, click on the pointer on the right of the page number reading each page until you find Hanna. At the top there is a choice of image size where you can alter the size on your screen, there is information location wherein you select if you want the documentary information at the top of the page, or bottom or not. On the white keys to the right of the page turning arrow key are choices of New selection, My selection, contents. Contents will give you all the records in the register you selected. My selection will return you to the Vanse list above and New selection will wipe out your choices, start over to find another parish or county to look at.
These registers are handwritten and are in Norwegian. Better to start with this more "modern" era search where there are printed page headings and more clearly written records. The only way for you to swim is by getting your feet wet. Hanna awaits you!
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carolchapman
Junior member
United Kingdom
31 Posts |
Posted - 27/08/2012 : 22:47:02
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Hello again,
I have nagged my family for information and have come across a form for permission to travel and the journeys he made. While I can decipher some of the information I can't make it all out. Can I send this image to you via email attachment and would you mind helping with reading the info on this form.
I have also come across this note in respect of Peder Jensson- born 1480. (This relates to the extended Parelius family.)
I have done a translation on google but it doesn’t always make sense.
Bonden Peder räknas som släkten Skjelderups anfader. Simon Ellefsen noterar följande:
Født omkring 1480, (Joh. Reppe skriver i sin håndskrevne stamtavle, at Peder Jensen »opgis å være födt 1454, död 1564«, altså ble han 110 år gl. ;-). Død omkring 29 sep. 1563. Biskop Skielderups Fader Peder Jensen er den første i Slægten, hvis Navn kjendes. Man ved forøvrigt intet andet om ham, end at han var Bonde og blev født ca. 1480. Nogle mener, at han levede i Skjellerup eller Skiellerup Sogn i Svendborg Amt paa Fyen. Andre tror, at han hørte hjemme i Jylland, hvor der i Viborgegnen er Landsby af samme Navn. Denne sidste Antagelse er vistnok den rigtige. Den bestyrkes ialfald ved en Bemerkning af Absalon Pederssøn, som i sin Dagbog kalder Biskop Skielderup for en jydsk Mand. Peder Jensen døde Høsten 1563. Den 23. jan. 1564 fik sønnen, biskop Jens Schellerup, af en jydsk mand, hidsendt fra hans moder og syskende, et brev der tilkendegav, at hans og deres fader var død, ved Sancte Michels tid
Gift med Maren Nielsdatter
Google Translation
The farmer Peder unravel who slaughtered Skjelderup anfader. Simon Ellefsen NOTES portfolio:
Born about 1480, (John Reppe writes in his handwritten pedigree, that Peder Jensen "given when ordering to be born 1454, died 1564", that he was 110 years gl.;-)
Died about September 29 in 1563. Bishop Skielderups Father Peder Jensen is the first in Slægten, whose name known. Man by forøvrigt andet nothing about him, end he was a farmer and was born ca. 1480. Nogle mean, he levede in Skjellerup or Skiellerup Sogn in Svendborg Amt paa Fyen. Others believe that he belonged to Denmark, where there is Viborgegnen Rural af same name. This sidste Assumption is apparently the rigt. The best professional ialfald by Remark af Absalon Pederssøn, which in Bishop's Diary Cold Skielderup for a Jydsk Mand. Peder Jensen died autumn 1563.
The 23 January 1564 fik son, Bishop Jens Schellerup, af one Jydsk mand, hidsendt from his mother and siblings, a letter tilkendegav that his and their father was dead, at Sancta Michels time.
Married to Mary Nielsdatter
Best Regards
Carol
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 27/08/2012 : 23:59:05
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The farmer Peder is recognized as the Skjelderup-familiy's ancestor. Simon Ellefsen has written down the following:
Born about 1480, (John Reppe writes in his handwritten pedigree, that Peder Jensen is "stated to be born 1454, dead 1564", ie. he was was 110 years old.;-)
Died about September 29 in 1563. Bishop Skielderups Father Peder Jensen is the first in the family, whose name is known. Nothing more is known about him, other that he was a farmer and was born ca. 1480. Some thinks, that he lived in Skjellerup or Skiellerup parish in Svendborg county at Fyen (Fyn, Denmark).
Others believe that he was from Jutland (Denmark), where there in the Viborg area is a township by the same name.
This last assumption is apparently the right one, and is strengthen by a note by Absalon Pederssøn, which in his diary names Bishop Skielderup as a "man from Jutland". Peder Jensen died autumn 1563.
On the 23rd of January 1564 got the son, Bishop Jens Schellerup, from a "Jutland man", sent from his mother and siblings, a letter which said that his and their father was dead, at Sancta Michels time.
Married to Mary Nielsdatter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 28/08/2012 00:07:37 |
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carolchapman
Junior member
United Kingdom
31 Posts |
Posted - 31/08/2012 : 23:01:36
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Hello again,
I have nagged my family for information and have come across a form for permission to travel and the journeys he made. While I can decipher some of the information I can't make it all out. Can I send this image to anyone via email attachment and would you mind helping with reading the info on this form.
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carolchapman
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2013 : 16:06:17
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| Are you thinking Olaf Gerhard = Gabriel? If so the census gives his birthplace and approximate birthdate--you could look for the baptismal record in that place. And then if he lived to adulthood he should also have a confirmation record. |
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carolchapman
Junior member
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Posted - 26/04/2013 : 16:26:11
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Hi, Thanks but no it is not Olaf Gerhard - I have details of the other brothers, Karl Ludwig Eugene, Olaf Gerhard, Jakob and Ragnvald. There were also four sisters, Ragna, Magda, Helga and Johanna. I have found the birth details of all of them except for Gabriel. It is definitely Gabriel and I have found photos signed by him and it is very clearly Gabriel.
Regards
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2013 : 16:43:49
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| Did the entry indicate his last name and relationship? |
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carolchapman
Junior member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/04/2013 : 18:39:14
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| Hi again, I have never found an entry for Gabriel - only the photos that the family have got from his mother's possessions - they assume he was one of her sons but no proof that. A difficult search this. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 26/04/2013 : 23:06:17
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| Have you looked for Gabriel's grandparents in the 1865 census? It might be possible that he is an "uægte" child of hers, born before she was married and living with the grandparents. |
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carolchapman
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Posted - 26/04/2013 : 23:16:37
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that is a possibility - I will look there - thanks
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carolchapman
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Posted - 02/08/2013 : 17:09:19
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| Hello all, I have received some information on Jon Olson born 20 Apr 1840. It is rumoured in the family that he was in fact the illegitimate son of King Karl II of Norway and Sweden. However looking at the dates it is more likely to be King Karl I. Apparently his mother was a maid of the King. It is said that Jon was brought up alone by his mother in the country. Although his birth is registered to Ole Haagensen - is it reasonable to think that her husband agreed to this but told her to leave with the child. I have searched everything I can find but have not found anything that connects the mother to the Royal household as she is not listed among his known mistresses. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/08/2013 : 19:22:01
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The Swedish/Norwegian Kings for your period:
Karl II (1748-1818). He was king 1814-1818.
Karl III Johan (1763-1844). He was king 1818-1844.
Oscar I (1799-1859). He was king 1844-1859.
Karl IV (1826-1872). He was king 1859-1872.
Oscar II (1829-1907). He was king 1872-1905.
    
Karl II Karl III Johan Oscar I Karl IV Oscar II
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jwiborg
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Posted - 02/08/2013 : 19:45:47
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The Norwegian King in 1840 was King Karl III Johan. (In Sweden he was named Carl XIV Johan.)
He would be 77 y.o. in 1840 though, and died 4 years later.
His name was originally Jean Baptiste Bernadotte and he was born in France. He never spoke Swedish during his time as king of Sweden/Norway. He lived in Stockholm, Sweden.
I'm not sure about Karl III Johan, but it is well known that the kings in this period have children after their travelling throughout the country. In those days, this was never spoken of.
Especially King Oscar II is said to have a lot of descendants. His residence was in Stockholm, but he enjoyed travelling in Norway, and visited the country a lot...
I have actually been looking for a child after him, but haven't found any "proof" yet, that the king was at the accommodation place in question, around the time when the child was conceived.
Also read this (translated from Norwegian using google translate). DNA can be used to test whether you are related to the Royal family...
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