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sanvald
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AntonH
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 Posted - 24/01/2013 : 22:27:54
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On his second trip his occupation is listed as Merchant. Also he is listed as American?
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Didrick Lund
Arrival Date: 7 Oct 1898
Birth Date: abt 1853
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: American
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Campania |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 24/01/2013 : 22:43:36
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A New York State Census from 1892 also lists him as a Citizen
New York, State Census, 1892
Name: Dedrick Lund
Birth Year: abt 1867
Birth Place: Norway
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Citizenship: Citizen
Residence Place: Brooklyn, Kings
Ward: Ward 22
Election District: 12 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 24/01/2013 : 23:19:42
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Originally posted by sanvald
Thanks all for all your information. In one of the links it says his occupation was Skibshandler. What does that mean.?
Definition of a Skibshandler
Recidence 1898; New York "Merknad" Note; Lives in America
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jkmarler
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Posted - 24/01/2013 : 23:31:25
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Originally posted by sanvald
what does 1st or 2nd papers mean? and where do you see this ?
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Are you certain Didrik ever became a citizen? In the 1900 US census his status is listed as "al" meaning alien, no 1st nor 2nd papers filed. Look at the image:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11055-84091-32?cc=1325221&wc=MMPJ-7Q1:2000934247
In the entry space far over to the right on the linked image, status is asked. If he had filed his Declaration of Intention (1st papers) the answer would be Pa = papers filed, if he had his 2nd papers he would actually be a naturalized US citizen and the entry would be Na= naturalized. Since it's al, it means he hasn't gone through the process to become a citizen. Naturalization records can be filed at many levels of government, federal court system as well as state court systems. As to why he was recorded as a citizen in 1892 but not in 1900 I could only speculate. The Italian Genealogical Website has New York marriages, deaths and some naturalization records. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 24/01/2013 : 23:51:24
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Bergen 1900.
Margareta Lund, widow and "Rentenistinde" living of her wealth with two daughters;
Elisa (Elisabeth) occ. clerk and Margarete, teacer at primary shool and a servantmaid, Anne Axelsen.
Recidence; Temporary living in Neumannsgate 4.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 25/01/2013 : 00:26:53
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Bergen 1910.
Elisabeth Lund, clerck at the Salt Company and Margareta Lund, clerck at a stonemasonry,both living in Hans Holmboesgate 8, 3. floor (Hans Holmboes street 8)
Anne Akselsen was still servant.
Also living with them was Janna Segelche age 5, daugter to Army officer and painter Segelche.
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sanvald
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Posted - 25/01/2013 : 00:32:30
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ok thank you for that explanation. i was unaware of that information since they are all blank i never thought about it.
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Originally posted by jkmarler
quote:
Originally posted by sanvald
what does 1st or 2nd papers mean? and where do you see this ?
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
Are you certain Didrik ever became a citizen? In the 1900 US census his status is listed as "al" meaning alien, no 1st nor 2nd papers filed. Look at the image:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11055-84091-32?cc=1325221&wc=MMPJ-7Q1:2000934247
In the entry space far over to the right on the linked image, status is asked. If he had filed his Declaration of Intention (1st papers) the answer would be Pa = papers filed, if he had his 2nd papers he would actually be a naturalized US citizen and the entry would be Na= naturalized. Since it's al, it means he hasn't gone through the process to become a citizen. Naturalization records can be filed at many levels of government, federal court system as well as state court systems. As to why he was recorded as a citizen in 1892 but not in 1900 I could only speculate. The Italian Genealogical Website has New York marriages, deaths and some naturalization records.
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sanvald
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Posted - 25/01/2013 : 00:44:52
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thank you for this information. When was she widowed and what does 'living of her wealth" mean. Is this Margarethe, Didriks mother, Henrikke Margarethe, or a daughter? i have the children names of Jens, Didrik, Fredrikke, Elisa, Georg.
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Bergen 1900.
Margareta Lund, widow and "Rentenistinde" living of her wealth with two daughters;
Elisa (Elisabeth) occ. clerk and Margarete, teacer at primary shool and a servantmaid, Anne Axelsen.
Recidence; Temporary living in Neumannsgate 4.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 25/01/2013 : 10:07:43
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She was rich enough (Rentenistinde) to support herselves.
The word Rentenist (he) and rentenistinde (she) do not exist today.
A translation could also be "lives of the interest of the money, income from rental etc.)
I wonder if Didriks father died before 1898 when he was on a visit home.
His mother Margaretha died between 1900-1910.
Bergen has many parish´s, take some time to read through, link
Did Didrik marry in the US?
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jkmarler
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sanvald
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Posted - 25/01/2013 : 15:10:36
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Are they buried in a family site at a cemetery in Mollendal? And is Georg buried in Nynkirken? If they have a family grave would or should he be buried together? Is that customary for Norway?
Didrik married Gerda in NY and they are my great great grandparents. Didrik is buried in NY in a scandinavian cemetery in NY.
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Here are what appears to be 3 generations all named Jens G. Fri. Lund in Bergen at DIS Norge:
147130 Jens G. Fr. Lund 1859 1916 m Jens Gabriel Fredrik Lund´s familiegravsted Møllendal G00 02 01 View Møllendal Bergen
147132 Jens G. Fr. Lund 1921 1934 m Jens Gabriel Fredrik Lund´s familiegravsted Møllendal G00 02 01 View Møllendal Bergen
147133 Jens G. Fr. Lund 1886 1959 m Jens Gabriel Fredrik Lund´s familiegravsted Møllendal G00 02 01 View Møllendal Bergen
Not sure the ages match any of those in Didrik's family but possibly relatives because of the name repetition.
It appears the Georg Lund, Didrik's father died in 1893:
http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=3&filnamn=doed1881&gardpostnr=1934&merk=1934#ovre
And his mother died in 1901:
http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=doed1881&medbilete=&sokpostnr=71#a0
Yes Didrik married in America.
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sanvald
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Posted - 25/01/2013 : 15:18:12
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Thank you all for all your help. I am doing my best to read and translate the Archives of Norway but some of the words don't translate.
Does anyone know what the word Lodsoldermand means?
I have been able to go back 5 generations in my family thanks to all of your help. I now have a new generation thanks to elbache.
I am very excited to take my information back to Norway and visit Bergen. I would love to find relatives too. |
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eibache
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Posted - 25/01/2013 : 16:25:42
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Lodsolderman - devide in two words
lods - seagoing pilot
and olderman - a retired chieftain, or otherwise important member of the tribe that had retired due to old age. It has the advantage of retaining the knowledge of the old leader within a field, without challenging the new leader.
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sanvald
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Posted - 25/01/2013 : 16:26:48
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do you know which parish I should look at?
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Originally posted by Kåarto
She was rich enough (Rentenistinde) to support herselves.
The word Rentenist (he) and rentenistinde (she) do not exist today.
A translation could also be "lives of the interest of the money, income from rental etc.)
I wonder if Didriks father died before 1898 when he was on a visit home.
His mother Margaretha died between 1900-1910.
Bergen has many parish´s, take some time to read through, link
Did Didrik marry in the US?
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Didrik Nils Lund
