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stevehogseth
Junior member
USA
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 Posted - 06/06/2013 : 18:08:43
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For some reason, I can't open www.genealogybank.com ??? It would be interesting to see the other comments, especially if there are any pertaining to Martin Petersen Hogseth. You are all giving very credible information that supports his 1881 immigration. Regarding the most previous posting, re: "permission to go to America on 5 July 1881," how did that process typically go back then? Did the individual first apply to a local authority, maybe somebody in Elverum? Or was it a rather simple transaction, without little worry of acceptance ... and the person just packed their belongings ... went to Oslo ... formally applied ... were quickly approved ... and were on the ship within a day or two. Any commentary on this would be appreciated. With all the information you folks are providing, I am gaining a more personal feel of how the travel proceeded. Seeing "Martin Peders Hougset" in the book, with the July 5, 1881 date is very confirming. Again, MANY thanks! -- Steve
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 06/06/2013 : 19:31:29
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genealogybank.com appears to be a subscription website. If you are not a member (probably with some fee) then you cannot use it.
"Permission to go" is misleading. The record as shown in the Elverum parish book is more accurately just a report that he was leaving that parish. The listing appears to indicate that he (amongst the many others listed) obtained an attestation from the parish to take with him. The attestation that my own great-grandfather brought with him was simply a signed statement from the parish priest that my great-grandfather was a member of the church, baptized and confirmed and a member of good standing. My family still treasures that original handwritten piece of paper.
There are many very good articles on this website about the process of emigrating from Norway. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 06/06/2013 : 19:36:42
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It'a a local process, you go the pastor usually in the parish you reside and tell that you are planning on moving and the pastor will write out a slip for you, usually containing information about your date of birth, name and vaccinations etc. The result is kept in the register at the parish in the Utflyttede and Inflyttede records. Not all people bothered to go to the pastor to do this or they mayhaps had already moved to some other place in Norway before deciding to migrate and went to the pastor at that place before taking off. Any kind of move was supposed to go through this process but often did not happen.
The earlier link posted of the transcribed list is based on the list kept by the police in the port city. You were supposed to check there before leaving and report your name etc. Again not everyone did.
So you have 2 records of a Martin Pederson and a Martin Pederson Hougset making a move in 1881. If you really want more certainty about this person, you might look for any other Martin Pederson b 1862 in Elverum, moving into or out of Elverum to see the broadest spectrum of possibles.
You could also look in the police lists in the other Norwegian ports to see if a likely Martin Pederson shows up.
You could find out if Martin ever applied to become a US citizen. First study the various censuses from 1900 to 1930 and see if he is ever listed as Na for naturalized or Pa for papers filed or if he is always Al for alien. If he has applied for papers it means that he has filed the 1st papers or the Declaration of Intention to become a citizen. The declaration often contains information about the port of arrival and typically month and year of arrival in US.
This is what I mean by exhaustive. |
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stevehogseth
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 07/06/2013 : 03:23:50
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| I finally got the genealogybank.com website to open ... and yes, it does require a fee. The next time I am over at our local history center, I will check to see if they might have it. It looks like Martin's travels are reasonably confirmed. .... Permission granted in Norway on July 5, 1881 ... left Oslo on July 8 ... arrived in Philadelphia on July 26. Whereas that Oslo-Philadelphia timing is 18 days, it would seem that the ship (Rollo) from Oslo to Hull England, and then the rail trip from Hull to Liverpool, and then the probable12-14 days from Liverpool (via Queenstown, Ireland) to Philadelphia would leave little time for the Rollo to go from Oslo-to-Denmark-to-Hull. But then I am just making rough estimates. Would you agree the Rollo most likely went direct from Oslo to Hull? Thanks! --Steve |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/06/2013 : 12:03:21
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Did you read about the Rollo and the Wilson Line in the available articles on this website? That feeder ship often had set schedules of where it travelled during some years.
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=rollo
I still wouldn't advise using the word "Permission". It gives entirely the wrong impression.
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stevehogseth
Junior member
USA
38 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2013 : 21:21:24
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| Thanks for the link on the "Wilson Line." I was able to look at the Rollo schedule in some detail as well as the travel from Liverpool to USA ports, including Philadelphia. For whatever reason, when a ship went from Liverpool to Philadelphia, the departure date was rarely listed?? Still, with all the other times to other ports listed, one could readily extrapolate the crossing time. 10-13 days seems reasonable for Martin's crossing time. Also the history on the Wilson Line was interesting. The company had a rather massive fleet of ships, and the referenced "monopoly" seems appropriate. While I did not scour the entire link, I concluded that the Wilson line routes were predominantly from Norway to Hull. My grandmother came over to the USA in 1888, via the SS Geiser (Thingvalla fleet) originating in Copenhagen Denmark, picking up Norwegian passengers in Oslo. Two months after her immigration the ship collided with another, and it sank off Sable Island. I agree on the word "permission;" I will tone it down. Thanks again for this helpful information! --Steve |
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stevehogseth
Junior member
USA
38 Posts |
Posted - 19/06/2013 : 05:06:05
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| Two days ago I received I received a family tree that goes back into the 1600s, and while reviewing it now, it shows some new information for my great grandparents" Peder Johnsen Hogseth (1821-1892) and Marthe Oldsdtr (1822-1877). Family information was discussed in earlier postings. Until now, I thought there were just seven children: Johan, Ole, Jens, Peder, Martin, Juline, and Amelia. This new information shows two more children were born after Amelia .... Pernille (1884-1889) and August (1886-1974). Looking further, with Marthe having died in 1877, it shows Peder remarried Martea Akseldtr Rugsveen, marriage date unspecified. Can anybody further enlighten me on this second marriage and confirm if this newly found information is correct? Thanks! --Steve |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 19/06/2013 : 13:45:51
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Rugsveen is either in Hedmark or Oppland county.
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 19/06/2013 : 13:48:02
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Peder Johnsen farmowner of Hogseth married Marthea Akselsdatter Rugsveen b. 1846 in Elverum, Hedmark county Mai 10. 1881, see #15
Her father was Aksel Olsen.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 19/06/2013 13:55:10 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 19/06/2013 : 17:03:53
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- 21 is a shortening for 1821.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 19/06/2013 17:04:24 |
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stevehogseth
Junior member
USA
38 Posts |
Posted - 20/06/2013 : 03:36:34
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| Thank you for confirming this information Kare! On the information I have, it shows ... "August 1886-1974. Han kjopte Sondre Teppa i 1915. Gift med Anna Johansdtr (1882-1965)." ... I assume he married Anna Johnsdtr, but the Sondre Teppa name is confusing to me. (Can you decipher this?) It seems apparent August was a male, but with Pernille dying at the young age 4 or 5, I am unsure of the child's gender. Perhaps a girl?? Can you confirm the gender? Thanks again for your help. --Steve |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 20/06/2013 : 09:47:17
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quote:
Originally posted by stevehogseth
Thank you for confirming this information Kare! On the information I have, it shows ... "August 1886-1974. Han kjopte Sondre Teppa i 1915. Gift med Anna Johansdtr (1882-1965)." ... I assume he married Anna Johnsdtr, but the Sondre Teppa name is confusing to me. (Can you decipher this?) It seems apparent August was a male, but with Pernille dying at the young age 4 or 5, I am unsure of the child's gender. Perhaps a girl?? Can you confirm the gender? Thanks again for your help. --Steve
.................He bought farm Sĝndre (Southern) Teppa in 1915.
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 20/06/2013 : 10:09:49
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August Pedersen Hogseth "ug" unmarried and his mother, widow Martea Akselsdatter Hogseth on farm Hovslĝkken Nordre 1910
Occupation
Marthea; Have some cach and own her own house.
August; Daylaborer, farmworker and running timber.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 20/06/2013 17:57:33 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 20/06/2013 : 10:22:14
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August Pedersen Hogseth married Dec. 27. 1914 Anna Johansen Teppen b.1882 on farm Ĝstli #49
Ĝstli - Eastern hillside.
Not sure if Teppa and Teppen was the same farm.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 20/06/2013 10:27:43 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 20/06/2013 : 10:33:26
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In 1910 Anna Johansens occ; Cook on Teppen.
Familystatus; fl, relative to the owners and renter.
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Edited by - Kċarto on 20/06/2013 10:34:00 |
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