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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 02/05/2013 : 20:50:17
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Name: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XRPC-B3X[blue]
Info about Martin P. Hogseth's wife:
Maren Tandberg Hogseth, born ab. June 1866 in Norway
Marriage Year (Estimated): 1890
Immigration Year: 1888
Her parents: Hans Tandberg & Mary Olson
Jan Peter
Sorry to have not caught this before. Maren's brother Johan came to Wisconsin in 1880 as a newlywed. Maren's mother is Maren Olsdatter, daughter of Ole Larson Sundby and Mari Jonsdatter.
Here he is in findagrave. I'm not sure that I agree with the identification of his mother as given there but interesting:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=78627724
The problem with Johan's mother as per findagrave is that the Maren Marie Olsdatter who has the birthdate recorded on the linked page for Johan is not who was married to Hans Pederson Hverveneie later Tandbergeie. The marriage record of Hans Pederson and Maren Olsdatter reveals Maren's father as Ole Larson Sundbye, not Ole Anderson Tandbergeie as on the baptismal record. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 09/05/2013 18:24:36 |
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stevehogseth
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Posted - 02/05/2013 : 21:53:59
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| Thanks for this latest information Jan Peter! I have general question regarding this website ... how long do they keep the forum questions open? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/05/2013 : 15:09:51
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Originally posted by stevehogseth
Thanks for this latest information Jan Peter! I have general question regarding this website ... how long do they keep the forum questions open?
Not sure what the deadline is but recently there was a 10 year old inquiry which was revived. |
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stevehogseth
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Posted - 05/06/2013 : 23:37:44
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A recent discussion with my brother has raised uncertainty on this matter. An old Chippewa Falls newspaper article (Feb 5, 1940) celebrating the 50th wedding anniversary of Martin and Maren Hogseth, has some biographical information on the couple. It states “Martin came to the USA when he was 17.” Since he was born April 19, 1862, that would mean he immigrated between April 20, 1879 and April 18, 1880. Whereas I have received other information stating he arrived in the USA in July 1881, and several of the supporting data fits this date (i.e. arriving via Philadelphia and going to Black River Falls) some does not, namely that he is from Denmark and that his patronymic name is “Peterson” rather than Petersen. In this same link of postings, back on April 26 (time: 19:51:54) Kare made an interesting posting:
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Martin P.
Martin Pedersen, Petersen, Pettersen, Paulsen, Poulsen, Persen born on or em. from a Høgseth farm ca 1879-80.
Did he Marry Maren in the US.
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Noting that this posting referenced “…Em. from a Hogseth farm ca 1879-80” does coincide with Martin being 17 when he immigrated. And that Kare asked “Did he marry Maren in the US” also fits with Martin, as he did eventually marry Maren. So there is a questionable conflict here, as to when he truly immigtrated. Could somebody help me better determine a true immigration date for Martin Petersen Hogseth? Thank you! -- Steve
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/06/2013 : 23:56:40
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Here is the transcription of the travel of a Martin Pederson which seems to be your man. The transcription has been done recently but the original was created at the time the transport happened, not 50+ years later when one's fallible memory could play tricks.:
Oslo 6330 1881 Juli 08 Martin Pedersen m u Arb. 19 Elverum Black R. Falls 4010 Norge 197,- Rollo
You could search the records to see if there were more than one Martin Pederson leaving at the same time or through a different port who might possibly be yours. That would be an exhaustive search and would most likely have to be done by you.
The difference between Pederson / Petersen is a difference with no distinction. |
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stevehogseth
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Posted - 06/06/2013 : 01:03:39
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| I agree on the "sen" and "son" being of no distinction, and also memory is certainly fallible. As a kid, I always heard that "17" age mentioned, it seemed as "gospel" ... but that too could have become distorted with time, and WHO really said (or heard, or recalled) it?? It is like the old game of "telephone" that soon gets misinterpreted. "Denmark" listed as his country ... seems likely a clerical error? Until this previous posting, I only had the Liverpool-to-Philadelphia connection, so I did not know how the person got to Liverpool, thus "Denmark and Peterson" had some credibility with me. Now with him coming from Oslo, that makes Norway quite certain. From other info, I have Martin arriving in Philadelphia, PA, USA on July 26, 1881, having departed Liverpool (?date unknown?). Reading the above posting, did his ship leave Oslo on July 8, 1881, or arrive in Liverpool on that date? (Actually, I seem to recall the ship might land in Hull, and then passengers went overland to Liverpool?) What does the "6330" and "4010 Norge 197, - Rollo" mean? I seem to recall seeing Rollo on other postings .... is that a ship that shuttled from Oslo to (Hull) England? Thanks much! --Steve |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 06/06/2013 : 01:28:31
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I'm not certain I know what those two numbers are. I'd guess that the first of 2 numbers on the left side is probably the count within the year 1881, not sure what the other number is maybe a count of the Norwegian nationals within the year? ( There is another number which I didn't copy outside this line on the left which appears to be the number of each of the entries in order in the database.) And it is possible that he stopped in Denmark on the way to England, too.
Yes Rollo was a shuttle ship, usually to Hull and then by train across to Liverpool is most typical.
You supplied the info that Martin landed in Philadelphia. What ship was he on? |
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stevehogseth
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Posted - 06/06/2013 : 01:39:19
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It seems those numbers have no great importance, so I will simply ignore them. The document I have shows him on the SS British Crown. It also lists the American Line. I believe the American Line must have been the parent company, and the SS British Crown as one its many ships.
Is there any way to tell if his ship went direct from Oslo to Hull? Or if there was an interim stop in Denmark? Thanks again! --Steve |
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Lislcat
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Posted - 06/06/2013 : 05:59:48
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Just wanted to mention, that he could of left his home/farm at the age of 17 and not emigrated to America immediately. I found that to be true with a great grandfather of mine. My guess was that he worked to earn more money, for his passage. Higher wages in the bigger cities. He could of thought of leaving home at 17, as the start of his immigration from Norway. I think I would of, too!
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stevehogseth
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Posted - 06/06/2013 : 06:36:22
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| That's a good point you raise, although I think the family story has always been that he arrived in Wisconsin at age 17. Thanks for that perspective though. --Steve |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 06/06/2013 : 14:19:02
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Among the minutiæ about sailing is this from www.genealogybank.com, snippets originally published in the Philadelphia Inquirer which appear to relate to the voyage containing Martin Pederson:
Saturday 25 June 1881
"Cleared
Steamer British Crown (Br.) Kelley, Liverpool via Queenstown, Peter Wright & Sons"
Wednesday, 27 July 1881
"The Late A.D. Jessup
The American Line steamer British Crown which arrived at this port yesterday, brought on from Great Malvern, Worcestershire, England, where he died, the remains of Alfred D. ......."
Thursday, 28 July 1881
"The steamer British Crown landed at Christian Street wharf on Tuesday over four hundred steerage passengers."
At the danish emigration search site there were 7 Martin/Martine Petersen listings for 1881, none in June or July. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 06/06/2013 : 16:26:41
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You supplied the info that Martin landed in Philadelphia. What ship was he on?
Likely that Steve is referring to this document. The original manifest lists him as from Denmark. Originally posted by Jan Peter on page one There were also four Martin Pedersons, Pedersens who landed in New York that year, however all of them landed before July.
Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945
Name: Martin Pederson
Arrival Date: 26 Jul 1881
Age: 19 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Ship Name: British Crown
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Microfilm Roll Number: M425_104 |
Edited by - AntonH on 06/06/2013 16:34:09 |
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jkmarler
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