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SandraSeverson
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 Posted - 07/08/2013 : 23:56:00
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In a post in 2012 I was asking for help on finding information on Ole Severson, son born out of wedlock to Gunild Olsdatter and Anders Sjursen Hundere. He was born on 20 Jun 1846 in Sogndal. Gunild Olsdatter was born 1822 in Sogndal on Midthun and Anders was born in 1817 in Sogndal. Anders came to the United States in 1846 and Ole did not come with him. He came here in 1854 with his Aunt Mette Dorthea Sjursdatter. No one could figure out what happened to Gunild. She was not in the 1865 census for Sogndal. I think I may have found her.
Here is the first record I found:
Ministerialbok for Korskirken prestegjeld 1832-1852 (1301M2).
Marriage #1061 to Hans Tvedt
And here is the other record I found:
Source information: Bergen county, Korskirken, Parish register (official) nr. D 1 (1832-1852), Marriage records 1851, page 169.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8344&idx_id=8344&uid=ny&idx_side=-174
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070301620174.jpg
The birth date of Gunild matches what I do know of her. But what concerns me is that the marriage record is from Bergen. Is there anyway to know if this Gunild Olsdatter is the mother of Ole? Is there somewhere else I can look to find this out?
Would appreciate any help with this. I have been searching for this answer since my first post to this website in 2012.
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Edited by - SandraSeverson on 08/08/2013 00:06:22 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 08/08/2013 : 00:04:45
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It says she is born in sogndals parish on 04 Mar 1822. Her father is listed as Ole Pedersen Midthun.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 08/08/2013 : 00:06:34
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Originally posted by SandraSeverson
And here is the other record I found:
Source information: Bergen county, Korskirken, Parish register (official) nr. D 1 (1832-1852), Marriage records 1851, page 169.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8344&idx_id=8344&uid=ny&idx_side=-174
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070301620174.jpg
The birth date of Gunild matches what I do know of her. But what concerns me is that the marriage record is from Bergen. Is there anyway to know if this Gunild Olsdatter is the mother of Ole? Is there somewhere else I can look to find this out?
Would appreciate any help with this. I have been searching for this answer sent my first post to this website in 2012.
Gunhild Olsdatter from "Sogndals Præstegjeld" Sogndal Parish, who married in Bergen (father given as "Gaardmand" Farmer Ole Pedersen Midtun) is the same Gunnilde Olsdatter that was born on Midtun in Sogndal March. 4. 1822.
Parents; Ole Pedersen "Gaardmand" Farmer and Gunilde Larsdatter Midtun, last posting #37
Korskirken
They got several children.
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 08/08/2013 : 00:11:41
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| I was hoping I found the correct information. It has taken me a long time to find out what happened to Gunild after her son was born. I am thrilled to finally find this out. I thought maybe she had died but couldn't find her death in Sogndal. A big piece of the puzzle has been solved. Thanks so much for confirming this. |
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jwiborg
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 08/08/2013 : 01:29:05
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In looking at the record for Gunilds death, it appears that she has taken her husbands last name. Is that something that isn't usually done? It also says she was born in 1823. Would her birth record have been wrong or was the wrong information given for her death? However the census reports do have 1822.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 08/08/2013 : 16:02:39
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Originally posted by SandraSeverson
In looking at the record for Gunilds death, it appears that she has taken her husbands last name. Is that something that isn't usually done? It also says she was born in 1823. Would her birth record have been wrong or was the wrong information given for her death? However the census reports do have 1822.
It was not commen for a woman to take the husbands lastname, but no rules without exceptions, espesially in the towns.
The censuses has often divergant year for the same person.
Both the bap. record and the wedding record tells that Gunild Olsdatter was born on Midtun in Sogndal March 4. 1822.
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jkmarler
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 08/08/2013 : 16:08:09
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| I also noted that the children don't seem to follow the naming tradition. I tried to find Gunnild's death in the parish records but couldn't find it. Would I look in Bergen, Korskirken? |
Edited by - SandraSeverson on 08/08/2013 16:18:28 |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 08/08/2013 : 17:08:12
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At the time of the death, she lived at the address N. Sandvigsv. 49.
Occupation: "Shoemaker widow". Supported by the poor relief fund.
Cause of death: debilitas senilis
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Source: Bergen county, Sandviken, Parish register (official) nr. E 1 (1893-1905), Death and burial records 1901, page 129.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 08/08/2013 : 20:27:29
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Since the record at her death says she is survived by 2 adult children, it must be the son Hans Odin who is dead by 1901.
Here is the other two children in census-1910:
Daughter Sara Marie, born 30 Dec 1851
Son Lars Augustinus, born 30 Apr 1857
Lars in census-1900
Lars @ myheritage.no
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jwiborg
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Posted - 08/08/2013 : 20:32:49
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Solheim graveyard, Bergen
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 08/08/2013 : 23:33:01
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| This is just amazing. I went from not knowing what happened to Gunnild to finding out she had a whole family in Bergen. There are even pictures of her descendants on that family tree. I never thought I would see all this information on her and what happened to her. Thanks to everyone who has helped me with this. |
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SandraSeverson
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Posted - 09/08/2013 : 00:12:08
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| Jan - is there a chance that there might be a gravestone for Gunnild Olsdatter Tvedt? I wonder if she is buried in the same cemetery as Astrid Tvedt. |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 09/08/2013 : 13:54:40
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Note: Astrid Tvedt is not a "direct" relative to Gunnild Olsdatter Tvedt.
From the gravestone, it seems like she was the wife to Leif Tvedt (1896-1972). Leif was the grand-son to Gunnild.
Regarding the gravestone, I doubt there exsist one today. Sandviken church, where the burial record was found, does not have a graveyard nearby.
I guess she was buried at "Fredens bolig", a graveyard which now has been made into a park.
Fredens bolig ("The peace' Residence") was used as a cemetery for the Korskirken landesogn (Sandviken church) in Bergen and was popularly called the "tomb". The graveyard was built by English and Swedish prisoners of war, and inaugurated in 1809. It was estimated to contain 2200 graves for the poor, but also convicts and soldiers were buried here, the only celebrity was Madam Felle. The last burial was in 1928, and the cemetery was formally closed in 1968.
According to the few documents that exist about this graveyard, it states that the cemetery was abandoned when the city's elected officials decided that they would make a park out of it - a natural landscape.
It was certainly well meant, but the problem was the way it was performed. The work that followed literally flowed the entire area with bones. Remains of wrought iron art, marble crosses and bones were eased disrespectful in piles. Grave desecration, to say the least. This work was ongoing right in the sight of people who lived in the area.
Where did they transport it? Some were driven in trucks to filling stations and some were dumped into the sea. It was, according to reliable sources not talking about relocations. People are still questioning how much are left under the park.
Bless Bishop Brun, who signed the cemetery. He would probably have turned in his grave!
Fredens Bolig, 1930
The park today
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eibache
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Posted - 09/08/2013 : 14:12:22
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In case you don't have the marriage record for Gunild (Gunnilde) they were married Oct 22 1813. Ole Pedersen came from Mitthun and Gunilde Larsdatter from Øhre.
By the way Gunildes sister Eli was married the same day.
In this case it is important to be aware of the farms they came from.
Ole Pedersen can be found in the 1801 census. He was then 14 years old and his father was Peder Olsen who was married the 2nd time to Britha Hansdatter.
Gunilde Larsdatter was 12 years old in the 1801 census and her parents were Lars Johannesen and Gunilde Torbiørnsdatter. (Note that the sister Eli is also there.)
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