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Carrie B
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 Posted - 21/08/2013 : 14:31:55
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Thank you so much for your help. I appreciate all your research. Actually, I would like to give credit to your names as researchers in my file. Please let me know if you would like your real names or your internet screen names to be added!
No obligation to respond. However, this new information is confusing.
From the 1875 census you linked to, http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=13&filnamn=f71660&gardpostnr=169&personpostnr=1439&merk=1439#ovre, Ingeborg and Ole Bjørnsen Teslia ran the poorhouse? And when we look up Petra's father, Ole Jakobsen Gjemse, his occupation was "Ind." meaning inderst or innerst, meaning lodger/renter? So Ingeborg had a child with one of her renters?
Also, we know that Ingeborg had daughter Elen Marie Jonsdatter born 1858, who immigrated with Ingeborg and Petra in 1880. However, Elen Marie is not listed as living with Ingeborg and Petra in this 1875 census.
Also, this 1875 census says Ole Bjørnsen Teslia was born in 1828. Where did he come from? The children of the original Elen and Bjørn were Peter, Ingeborg, Jacob, and Beret (see post above), born 1824-1835, so I do not know who Ole Bjørnsen Teslia is. I will keep looking today.
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Carrie B
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 21/08/2013 : 16:01:32
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A coroner's inquest was filed on Ellen, housed in IRAD at Northeastern Illinois University:
IVERSON, ELLEN MARIA 71 210 9/30/1905 9/28/1905
Interestingly there is also a Johanna Iverson in the same database: Vol 47, 67; d. 9 Sept 1899 and filed 11 Sept 1899.
It was somewhat customary for sailors away from home to be recorded in Norwegian censuses, regardless of where else they might be living / working as sailors. Also a large number of sailors might not be counted as "migrants" as they leave while working and then they decide while they are away to not return.
In your text you say that one of your possible Iver Iverson was living with his father in the 1875 census in Norway but that is his mother who is widowed. Apparently her first name is not legible in the original handwritten document. Since they each have Iversen as the surname, it might be that his father carried that patronymic and this Ivar /Iver might be found under his true patronymic in the 1865 census, whatever that might be.
There is a database of Norwegian photographers which if the studio is identified on the picture might help further date the picture. |
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Carrie B
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Posted - 21/08/2013 : 16:22:15
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| WOW, you rock! That is so cool and I was not aware of that resource at all. I called the IRAD office to request a copy. I requested Johanna also, just in case this is a relative and/or the same Johanna Iverson present at the baptism of my great-great-grandfather. Looking forward to receiving the copies! Thanks again. |
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Carrie B
Medium member
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Posted - 21/08/2013 : 16:29:49
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Here's a quick update, then I might have to take a break for a week or so! This can really take up a person's whole day! ;-)
I had thought Bjorn Pedersen Teslien and Elen Olsdatter had only two children, Peter Olaus Bjornsen (born 1824) and Ingeborg Bjornsdatter (born 1826). Thanks to eibache, we see that there were two other children, Jacob Edevard Bjornsen Teslia, and Beret Marta Bjornsdatter.
Jacob married Kristine (Christine) Estensdtr Donali (Donelie), on 3 July 1856. She was daugther of Esten Knudsen Donelie of Opdahl, and mother Dordie Larsdatter Donelie. Jacob and Kristine had at least four children: Peter Olaf Edvardsen (~1857), Ole Bjorn Edvardsen (~1859), Eivind (Oyvind) Edvardsen born 10 May 1862, and Christian (Kristian) Edvardsen born 10 May 1862. At first I thought Eivind and Christian were the same person, but I think they are actually twins because they both show up in a later census record! In the coming weeks I would like to research more of this branch of the tree because it is quite possible they have descendents still living today.
Thanks again everyone and see you again soon. :-) |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 21/08/2013 : 16:29:55
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Smart to take a break and sort out the new information.
A few last postings for you.
Bachelor Ole Olsen Bach. (Bachen) and widow Maritte Jacobsdatter Kuuraasen engaged on "Dominika 1. p. Trinit (Sunday June 22.) 1794 and married July 13.
Gurantees (Best men); Jon Jensen Tørres and Arne Jacobsen. Royal permission to marry d. Mai 15. 1794 because Ole was.......?
Page 12. left hand, 5. couple from top link
One had to apply for "Kongelig bevilling) Royal permission (the authorities) to marry if;
- The couple was 2. cousins.
- The bride or groom was to sick to get to the church.
- The groom was a soldier (military authorities).
Seems like the link has a twin?
"Ekteviede" Weddings 1767-1797 Page 12. 1794 5. couple from top.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 21/08/2013 : 16:38:21
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Originally posted by Carrie B
Thank you so much for your help. I appreciate all your research. Actually, I would like to give credit to your names as researchers in my file. Please let me know if you would like your real names or your internet screen names to be added!
A great honor, if you do not have the letter å in Kåre aa works well, same pronunciation as å:
Kaare Torgersen 
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Kåarto
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Posted - 21/08/2013 : 18:48:22
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Maritte Jacobsdatter born on Kuuraasen 1761, bap. March 29.
Jacon Kuuraasens "Datter" Daughter Maritte bap. 29. March. #39
The mother (Marit Arnesdatter) was introdused to the congregation mai 3.
Lots of info on this family.
Jacob Kuuraasen was Jacob Iversen Kuuraasen (Kuråsen) bap. August 16. 1722 (link at the bottom) in this Family-tree
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Carrie B
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80 Posts |
Posted - 29/08/2013 : 05:18:46
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Hello everyone,
We have good news and bad news. The good news is the Chicago's coroners reports arrived for Elen Marie Tesli Iverson (one of the original people I was seeking), and Johanne Iverson (Elen's mother-in-law). The bad news is they are absolutely dreadful. Proceed at your own risk!!!!!
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“Inquest No. 34433, upon the body of Ellen Maria Iverson. County of Cook, State of Illinois, on the 29th and 30th day of Sept. 1905. Verdict: The said Ellen Maria Iverson now lying dead at County Morgue in said City of Chicago, County of Cook, State of Illinois, came to hear death on the 28th day of Sept. AD 1905, in the West Side Hospital from shock and hemorrhage following external violence, the result of accidental injuries received by being struck, knocked down and run over by an automobile in charge of Henry J Mehrle at Western Ave and Jackson Boul, on the same date. We the jury are of the opinion that Henry J Mehrle used every effort to avoid the accident, and we therefore recommended his immediate discharge from police custody.”
Property delivered to son Arthur L. Iverson of 296 Irving Avenue was “Hand Bag and Cash $55.68, One Set of Teeth & Comb.”
Driver Henry J. Mehrle (actually Henry Joseph Merle) was employed as a secretary at A. H. Anderson Co., a well-known furniture store. He was 24 at the time of the accident. From additional online searches I have discovered he went on to live a full life including developing a patent for a school desk, getting married, and having a child. I have sent an inquiry to his descendants but do not expect to hear anything back. It seems a bit odd to get accidentally hit by a car in 1905.
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Johanne's report is much worse. It is not for the faint of heart.
“Inquest No. 16843, upon the body of Johanna Iverson. County of Cook, State of Illinois, on the 11th day of September 1889. Verdict: The said Johanna Iverson now lying dead at 270 N Hoyne Ave in said City of Chicago County of Cook State of Illinois came to his death on the 9th day of Sept AD 1899 from strangulation due to hanging herself to bedpost with a rope at her home No. 270 N Hoyne Ave while despondent.”
I wish this were not the case. :-( I was really starting to feel "close" with this woman because it sounded like she had an impressive life, from headmistresses at Toftes Gave to traveling to Chicago alone in her 60s. What a sad end to the story.
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Carrie B
Medium member
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80 Posts |
Posted - 29/08/2013 : 05:22:13
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I have added the new information to the file, along with credit to all of the wonderful researchers here. The updates can be found here for any who are interested. http://www.thesymphonicgarden.net/uploads/9/4/8/4/9484743/tesli_-_iverson_family.pdf
I think for now I have found the information I am looking for. I'm also a professor starting school again next week so genealogy cannot be at the forefront of my time in the next month. Eventually I would like to explore for more information surrounding Elen's death, and more background of Johanne's ancestors. I will be sure to check in from time to time to say hello and hopefully help someone else in the future!
Thank you again for your incredible help on this adventure. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 29/08/2013 : 17:37:59
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Regarding the marriage between Ole Olsen Bachen and widow Maritte Jacobsdatter on 13 Jul 1794. You had a note in your document, saying:
"Ole and Marith received kongelig bevilling or royal permission to marry on 15 May 1794; such permission was required in unusual circumstances including consanguinity, illness preventing church attendance, or military duty. Unfortunately the reason requiring permission is rather illegible here."
The text in the churchbook reads: "Kongelig bevilling af 15 May 1794, da Ole er enkens afdøde mands Brodersøn."
"Royal Permission (to marry) given on 15 May 1794, since Ole is the son of the widow's late husband's brother."
Maritte Jacobsdatter's first husband was:
Erik Mikkelsen Bakken (Ormhaug) (1752 - 1790)
Birthplace: Bakken, Ormhaug, Røros, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway
Died 04 Jul 1790, Røros, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway
Erik Mikkelsen Bakken was the brother to Ole's father Ole Michelsen Bachen
Thus; Ole married his aunt... 
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Carrie B
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jwiborg
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Posted - 29/08/2013 : 23:56:32
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Its a very nice and detailed document, but I would like to comment on this:
Ole Olsen was born on 12 August 1770 in the Røros municipality of Sør-Trøndelag county, Norway.
His father was Ole Michelsen (/Mikkelsen) Bachen (/Bakken), meaning Michael’s son who worked as bakken (“ground,” indicating farmer).
His mother was Maritte (/Marith) Olsdatter Kvernengen, meaning Ole’s daughter who worked as kvern (“grinder,” indicating millwork).
It would be more correct to say it this way (I only include one spelling variant here to simplify):
His father was Ole Mikkelsen Bakken; meaning Ole, son of Mikkel, living on the Bakken farm in Røros, Sør-Trøndelag.
His mother was Marith Olsdatter Kvernengen; meaning Marith, daughter of Ole, living on the Kvernengen farm in Røros, Sør-Trøndelag.
"who worked as bakken (“ground,” indicating farmer)." and "who worked as kvern (“grinder,” indicating millwork)" is completly wrong.
Bakken and Kvernengen refer to the farms where they lived or was born.
You have translated Bakken into "ground". A better translation could be "The hill" or "Uphill"), but you would need to see the location of the farm to try to understand the origin of the name. Maybe the farm is located on top of a hill, or there is an uphill road leading to the farm?
Then to Kvernengen. It is also "just a farmname", but you are right that "kvern" means "grinder", indicating millwork.
Most or all farmnames in Norway have originated from something. The farmname Kvernengen is very old, and was spelled "Quern Eng" in 1665. Maybe in 1665 there was a mill there. The mill could be gone by 1801, even though the farmname is kept. The farmname is spelled Kvernengan today, and there is no mill there today, only horses...
Røros Hestesportsenter (Røros Equestrian centre), Kvernengan farm, Røros.
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Carrie B
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Posted - 30/08/2013 : 00:15:06
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| Thank you, Jan! I will absolutely correct that information when I next update the file. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 30/08/2013 : 00:19:21
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One of the finest work I have seen.
Not to be picky; two small corrections and som add. info;
Gamle Aker not Akre church.
In 1841 he was a Valgmann
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- Ole Tesli was almost concidered beeing a landowner.
- A reason he is almost forgotten among the men on Eidsvoll is perhaps because there is no painting of him local historians tells.
- The Lade area in Trondheim was where the mighty earls of Lade ruled ca 800-900 AC.
- Sigurd Slembe road; Sigurd Slembe 11-1139 son of king Magnus Berføtt claimed the crown during the civil war 1140-1240 but failed.
- Ormhaug , the origin can also be the Norse mans name Orm, Orm pile
They got permission to marry
In those days you also had to apply to the "king" to marry at home, one reason was if one was to ill to attend church, another and perhaps more important reason; the king was absolute monarch and wanted full control where people were gathered afraid that someone could talk and light a rebel spark.
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Seeking info on Scandinavian bookstore in Chicago
