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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 05/09/2013 : 23:08:22
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| It was worth bringing up Carol - glad you did. |
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Carol Davis
Junior member
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Posted - 05/09/2013 : 23:09:48
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ll I know is that the second page of the hint links has her named spelled out as: Anna Marie Charlotte Guttormsen Solheim
And is has the child listed as: Harald Edvard Meltzer Solheim. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2013 : 23:10:36
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Maybe you could write to that person and point out the error. Somehow that person has Anna Guttormsen Solheim on his/her family tree, so it's worth connecting with him/her in any case.
1940 US Census
Passaic, Passaic, New Jersey
Philip Meltzer 44 born about 1896 in Russia
Anna Meltzer 44 born about 1896 in Russia
Louis Meltzer 21 born in New Jersey
Max Meltzer 15 born in New Jersey
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Carol Davis
Junior member
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Posted - 05/09/2013 : 23:32:45
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| It would be Ancestry.com, it was an automatic link that came up. Probably no one individual would be able to make corrections for this. As my mother says, "shift happens", I thinks this applies here. I appreciate all of your expertise ladies. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2013 : 00:02:26
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Oh I misunderstood, thought some person had listed that information on their family tree. Sorry for the confusion.
Ancestry.com generates "hints" pointing you to records that might pertain to your family. This is a service made available through the wizardry of the Ancestry.com search engine (just clarifying that it's not a problem in the category your mother mentioned). Only a human being can scrutinize a "hint" to see if in fact that record does apply to one's own family member. Don't know if this helps, but anyway I'll mention that on the Ancestry menu bar on the top of the page you'll see "Learning Center" as one option. Lots of good info there about how it all works. On another topic - I hate to dump on you but - fyi not all the researchers are women. It's also possible some of the women aren't ladies, but that's another story...
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Carol Davis
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 06/09/2013 : 00:11:00
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| Yep, you got it. Appreciate you mentioning this issue on the menu bar. I am in the process of checking to see if the entries I have made in the Casper Family Tree are going to be entered into the main ancestry.com site. With the information you both have provided for me, I have been able to piece together quite a good sized family tree. Hopefully it will transfer over to the main site. Thanks to you both! |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2013 : 00:21:58
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Another sister.... this time Jenny Elevine Guttormsen b. 14 December 1876:
Widow Jenny Elevine Ommundsen in Census-1910
Son Erling Johannes Ommundsen b. 03 Aug 1901 emigrated to New York in 1926. He was headed to his brother Alf Ommundsen New York. Alf is born 18 Aug 1905.
Jan Peter
Long thread - hope this doesn't repeat an earlier post
Passenger Manifest
Departing from Stavanger, arriving New York 29 May 1922
on the ship Bergensfjord
Alf Ommundsen, 16, born about 1906, single
Last permanent residence: Stavanger
Nearest relative in country whence alien came: brother Erling Ommundsen, Erichstrupsgate 9, Stavanger
Page 2 of manifest
By whom was passage paid: Aunt
Never before in USA
Going to join Aunt Marie Nihlen, 403 East 58 St, New York City
Length of time alien intends to reside in United States: Permanent
Place of birth: Stavanger
Now here's Anna Maria Charlotte Guttormsen, Solheim, below!
U.S. Passport Applicaton [from Ancestry.com database
U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925
Below, the name N I H L E E N is separately written out in block letters so that it is very clear.
Name: Mrs Marie Nihleen
Birth Date: 4 Jun 1872
Birth Place: Christiania Norway
Age: 48
Gender: Female
Passport Issue Date: 30 Apr 1921
Passport Includes a Photo: Yes
Residence: New York
Spouse Name: Anton Nihleen
Spouse Birth Place: Sweden
She has resided uninterruptedly in the United States for 28 years, from 1893 to 1921
Follows the occupation of housewife
Traveling to Norway and Sweden to visit relatives
A person named Ralph Casper vouches for her; he has known her for 18 years
Marie is age 49 and wears glasses
Anton Nihleen's application is next in the book.
There are photos of both Marie and Anton. |
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Carol Davis
Junior member
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Posted - 06/09/2013 : 00:48:43
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| So this is the woman in question, looks like she got remarried and was going by the name Marie Nihleen. Is that correct? I knew Rolph Casper, who was my uncle. Could this possibly be the same individual mentioned in the application? |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2013 : 01:21:07
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There are quite a few Ralph Caspers in New York. When was your uncle born? We may be entering an area of research now that might be helped by you asking older family members about all this. They might have information about your uncle Ralph Caspers that could tie him to Marie Nilheen.
You ask: Have we found Anna Marie Charlotte Guttormsen?
Birth record found by Jan Peter (page 2 of this thread): Anna Marie Charlotte Guttormsen, Solheim b. 4 June 1872
This is the same birth date and same birth place as given by Marie Nihleen in her US passport application.
Anna Marie Charlotte Guttormsen, Solheim's family members mention the name Marie Nilheen on their immigration records
Many Scandinavians use a middle name as a "calling" name (including both my parents). Anna Marie could easily go by "Marie."
In the US census records Marie Nihleen lives in 1910 in the same town as the rest of the clan from Norway.
Also in the 1910 census Marie Nihleen's mother Ellen Guttormsen b 1833 in Norway lives with her. Anna Marie Charlotte Guttormsen's mother was Ellen Guttormsen (married name) born about same year in Norway.
Also, a search was done for Anna Marie Charlotte Guttormsen in Norway and she was not found there.
So yes, this is enough for us to strongly believe Marie Nihleen is Anna Guttormsen. A document showing Marie's maiden name would confirm this - her marriage certificate, daughter's birth record, or her death record.
1900 US Census
Manhattan, New York, New York
Anton Nihleen 31 born Jan 1869 Sweden bootmaker [passport application says born in Malmo]
Marie Nihleen 31 born Jun 1873 in New York [!], parents born Norway, married 1895, mother of 1 child, 1 living;
Rosa Nihleen 3
1910
Overpeck, Bergen, New Jersey
Anton Nihleen 41 born about 1869 Sweden
Maria A Nihleen 37 born about 1873 Norway
Rosa M Nihleen 13 born about 1897 New York
Ellen Guttomsen 77 born about 1833 Norway, widowed, mother-in-law <---------------------------------
1920
Manhattan Assembly District 14, New York
Anthony Nihleen 51 born about 1869 Sweden, businessman, shoe manufacuring
Maria L Nihleen 47 born about 1873 Ireland [! - another mistake]
Rose M Squire 23 daughter, married, born about 1897 New York
Harry Freund 41 lodger, married
Mary Freund 40 lodger, married to Harry
1940
New Rochelle, Westchester, New
Anton Nihleen 72 born about 1868 Sweden, boot maker
Marie Nihleen 67 born about 1873 Norway
Rosa Nihleen 42 daughter, divorced
Inga Lakken 54 maid
1929 New Rochelle, New York, City Directory and also 1930 and 1932 and 1934 and 1936 and 1938 and 1940 New Rochelle, New York, City Directory
Anton Nihleen, spouse Marie Nihleen, 86 Mountain av, occupation shoes
DEATH RECORD, Rosa, as found on Family Search website
Given Name: Rosa
Middle Name: M
Surname: Nihleen
Birth Date: 23 February 1897
Social Security Number: --
State: New York
Last Place of Residence: New Rochelle, Westchester, New York
Previous Residence Postal Code: 10801
Event Date: 15 May 1974
Age: 77
Many more records for this couple on Ancestry.com. Lots of traveling. |
Edited by - JaneC on 06/09/2013 03:10:27 |
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Carol Davis
Junior member
USA
49 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2013 : 01:36:16
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| It is actually Rolf, born in 1896. I always thought his name was spelled Rolph Casper though. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2013 : 01:44:59
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Originally posted by Carol Davis
It is actually Rolf, born in 1896. I always thought his name was spelled Rolph Casper though.
Well, let's see. Here's information Jan Peter previously posted about "your" Rolf:
Emigration from Oslo on 06 Jun 1913
Gulbrand Kaspersen, married, coachman, born 16 Jul 1857, residence: Klingenberggt. 12 III, Oslo, destination: New York. To son.
Ragna Gustava Kaspersen, married, born 19 Sep 1862
Rolf Gulbrand Kaspersen, electrician, born 26 Jul 1896
Hans Peter Kaspersen, born 06 Aug 1899
Now after you've given the name of your uncle as "Rolf Casper, born 1896," I searched Ancestry.com using that name and found the information below.
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1918 World War I service record for Rolf G. Casper born 24 July 1896, born in Christiania, address is 406 East 57th Street, Manhattan, New York
Death Record
Name: Sgt Rolf G Casper
Birth Date: 24 Jul 1896
Age at Death: 76
Death Date: 17 May 1973
Burial Place: Leonardo, Monmouth County, New Jersey, USA
Find a grave:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=CAS&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSst=33&GScntry=4&GSsr=2681&GRid=23218864&
World War II -Draft Registration Cards, 1942 [Ancestry.com]
Name: Rolf Gulbrand Casper
Birth Date: 24 Jul 1896
Birth Place: Norway
Residence: Bergen, New Jersey
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So yes, all the above look like one person.
Whether "Rolf" is "Ralph" on the passport application of Marie, I don't know. I do know when I spotted that surname Casper, that seemed like a Caspersen who had shortened his name. |
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Carol Davis
Junior member
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Posted - 06/09/2013 : 01:54:26
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| The birth date and birth place are the same, he immigrated to New York. My mom thinks he lived in New Jersey, and died in New Jersey. My mother (Elizabeth Ann Casper) said that she thinks he had a bar in New Jersey. I can ask my Uncle Norman too, he was older than my mother, he remembers more than she does about all of this. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2013 : 02:00:48
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Could be him, wondering about the couple this Ralph lives with.
1920
Manhattan Assembly District 14, New York, New York
Clifford N*Hsatz 21
Helen N*Hsatz 20
Ralph Casper 23 nephew, born about 1897 in Norway, came to USA in 1913
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Carol Davis
Junior member
USA
49 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2013 : 02:02:00
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| Wow, You're good! |
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Carol Davis
Junior member
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Posted - 06/09/2013 : 02:06:03
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| He and his brother came over with his mother in June 1913. He is the individual in those documents above, as well |
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