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lindachristiansen
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 Posted - 29/01/2014 : 22:53:17
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| I was so surprised, to find that more of my grandfather's siblings also immigrated. Once I got the birthdates and parents correct, a few passenger lists popped up, and you just confirmed that. unfortunately, I must at this time take a break, as I have to go to work to support my ancestry habit. But thank you again. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/01/2014 : 02:05:27
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Originally posted by lindachristiansen
I was so surprised, to find that more of my grandfather's siblings also immigrated. Once I got the birthdates and parents correct, a few passenger lists popped up, and you just confirmed that.
Wondering what records you are referring to, what is confirmed? Anyway, glad it is all working out. Let us know if you want more help. |
Edited by - JaneC on 19/03/2014 18:47:36 |
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lindachristiansen
Junior member
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Posted - 30/01/2014 : 17:27:11
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| You confirmed that other brothers immigrated. I wasn't sure that the passenger lists I was seeing related to them or not. That is all. However I am having trouble finding world war I draft info on Christian Arnold Christiansen. There was one who's birthdate seemed correct, but whose year of arrival was off. And another one whose birthday was only off (according to the census) by 2 years, but the time of arrival was 1907. The other was 1915, which does not put him in America before Paul and Meidel. Could the census been off a little? |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 30/01/2014 : 19:19:17
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| I haven't gone back to look for census and WWI draft records - if you'll post the transcriptions, great, then I can see (and so can other volunteer researchers) what you mean. But yes, you bet, as a general rule, the years of birth and years of immigration in census records - for the SAME person - can vary. As for the brothers immigrating, I think they did, but the records I posted don't really confirm that. Let's call the records strong evidence instead. You are searching for them the USA - you are doing the right thing, to confirm they immigrated. |
Edited by - JaneC on 30/01/2014 19:47:45 |
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lindachristiansen
Junior member
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Posted - 30/01/2014 : 20:10:20
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| You know, I just revisited the 1910 Norwegian census, and Kristian (Christian) was still living at home, so he could not arrived in America in 1907. My grandfather arrived in 1913, and his brother Paul before that. I have a couple of years for wiggle room. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 30/01/2014 : 20:29:24
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Originally posted by lindachristiansen
You know, I just revisited the 1910 Norwegian census, and Kristian (Christian) was still living at home, so he could not arrived in America in 1907. My grandfather arrived in 1913, and his brother Paul before that. I have a couple of years for wiggle room.
No Kristian was a sailor and was away in Canada when the 1910 census was taken:
ID: pf01036543006640 Kjønn: m
Rolle: Alder:
Husholdningsnummer: 01 Fødselsdato: 16.08.1888
Personnummer: 002 Fødested: Drøbak
Familiestilling: s Bostatus: f
Sivilstand: ug Sedvanlig bosted:
Yrke: matros Antatt oppholdssted: Kanada Arbeidsledig: Bygning for natteopphold:
Trossamfunn: s Statsborgerskap: n
The 1910 census is one which has additional information on it. That is why we know Meidel was away to Australia at the same time. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/01/2014 : 21:54:05
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Originally posted by JaneC
Hi. In the census jkmarler posted, Kristian, Paul, and Meidal all have seaman's occupations. Click on the Person No. to see more information about each person - Kristian in Canada, Paul in America, and Meidal in Australia. Is your Meydel born 19 October 1894?
Guess I wasn't clear when I wrote this. To add to what jkmarler is explaining, the census says Kristian is away in Canada, Paul is away in America, and Meidal is away in Australia. This notation is found in a special separate part of the census. Click on the person number to see additional info for that person. That opens the "extra info" area. For Kristian in the 1910 census, person number is 002.
Did you ever hear that Meidel was a sailor who went to Australia or sailed in Australian waters? |
Edited by - JaneC on 31/01/2014 01:49:06 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/01/2014 : 02:12:59
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Originally posted by lindachristiansen
I was so surprised, to find that more of my grandfather's siblings also immigrated. Once I got the birthdates and parents correct, a few passenger lists popped up,
Maybe this is one of the passenger lists that popped up?
Ellis Island, passsenger manifest
Ship of Travel: Oscar ll
Port of Departure: Christiansand
Date of Arrival: Jan 23, 1914
Bergliot Christiansen
Ethnicity: Norway, Norwegian
Last Place of Residence: Oresnetern Arendal, Norway
Age at Arrival: 21y 6m Gender: F Marital Status: S
Manifest Line Number: 0004
Relative in country whence she came: mother Anne Christiansen in Oresnetern Arendal
Traveling to a friend
Destination: S I ?? N W Brighton
Hard to read the destination I've noted as "S I " - if this is SI, could be Staten Island? That would be adjacent to Brooklyn.
BACK IN A LATER EDIT to say yes, Northwest Brighton would be a Staten Island address.
Back in an edit - taking a look now for Christian Arnold Christiansen in USA.
a candidate, from Family Search
1930
Hempstead, Nassau, New York
Head Christ A Christiansen M 42 b about 1888 in Norway, to USA 1911
Wife Annie C Christiansen F 35 Norway
Daughter Elinor Christiansen F 13 New York
Daughter Mabel Christiansen F 9 New York
Son Arnold Christiansen M 8 New York
Nephew Robert Anderson M 13 New York
One reason I suspect "Christ A Christiansen" above could be your Christian Arnold Christiansen b 1888 is that he has a son Arnold.
1940
Hempstead Town, Nassau, New York
Head Chris A Christensen M 51 Norway, carpenter, building construction
Wife Anna Christensen F 45 Norway
Daughter Mabel Christensen F 19 New York
Son Arnold Christensen M 18 New York
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 01/02/2014 : 05:44:53
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This from the Italian Genealogy website, New York marriages, Possibles:
Last Name Given Name Month/Day Year CtfNum County Soundex ID
Christiansen, Christian A to
Jergesen Anne Kristine Apr 29 1916 4685 Kings J622 1106930
Last Name Given Name Month/Day Year CtfNum County Soundex ID
Christiansen, Bergliot
Nelson Charles E Apr 8 1916 4038 Kings N425 1375643
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2014 : 14:49:29
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As posted by Einar, Kristian Arnold Kristiansen born 16 August 1888:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060629070454.jpg
Below, as found on Family Search:
World War I Draft Registration
6/5/1917
New York, New York, USA
Christ Christiansen
Born 16 August 1888 in Arendal, Norway <-------------------------------confirmation that it is the same Christian
Address: 4818 7th Ave, Brooklyn, [Kings], New York
Alien
Occupation: Ship Yards
Employer: Jas Schwans at Ft of [foot of] 27th St, Brooklyn, NY
Have family dependent on you: Wife and Child
Descrption: Tall, stout, grey eyes, blonde hair
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-26520-15045-79?cc=1968530&wc=M9W1-HXV:1928625152
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lindachristiansen
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 01/02/2014 : 16:55:31
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| I don't know how to thank you enough, both of you have been amazing! I heeded your advice and took another look at that 1910 census, which made me rethink the info I had been getting. I now agree that the Brooklyn family for Christian Christiansen must be my family. I had them added to my tree then removed them. I am going to have to put them back in. What amazes me is how fast you two are finding this information, but I see you are looking on websites that I did not know existed. I am a novice at this. The other thing, I do not understand is why did my grandparents not ever tell be about these other immigrations. My grandfather went totally deaf in the 30's which might have something to do with it, because he was hard to talk to. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2014 : 22:15:53
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It's fun finding out the whole story, isn't it? It's very common for knowledge of family to slip away. Maybe as you explore your question with this new information (why were you not told of these siblings immigrating) more understanding will come to light.
This could be Bergliot in the US census from Ancestry.com:
1920
Brooklyn Assembly District 9, Kings, New York
Charles Nelson 27 b 1893 Norway to USA 1910, rigger, ship yard
Bertha Nelson 27 b 1893 Norway to USA 1914
Woodrow Nelson 3 years 1 month
Charles M Nelson 5 months
A baby Raymond was born and died 1921
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New York, State Census, 1925
Charles, Bertha, Woodrow, Charles in Brooklyn
1930
Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Charles Nelson 36 born about 1894 in Norway, immigrated to USA 1911, citizenship pending (PA), occupation: Subway
Bertha Nelson 36 born about 1894 in Norway, immigrated to USA 1914
Woodrow Nelson 13 b NY
Charles Nelson 11 b NY
1910 Norway Census as posted previously
Bergljot Kristiansen born 21 Dec 1892
US Social Security Death Index
Name: Bertha Nelson
SSN: ------
Last Residence: 11220 Brooklyn, Kings, New York, USA
Born: 21 Dec 1893 <--------------------------
Died: Apr 1967
Need death record or other for informant's name to tie her to the family in the census
Happens a lot that a birth year is "off" by one year, maybe has to do with the way survivors calculate birth year based on the person's age? |
Edited by - JaneC on 02/02/2014 01:16:57 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/02/2014 : 22:35:41
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This could be the death of the father Charles (husband of Bertha) in the census records above. Original certificate would list more information - informant, address, etc. These names repeat in other individuals so caution is needed.
New York, New York, Death Index, 1862-1948
Name: Charles Nelson
Birth Year: abt 1885
Age: 54
Death Date: 21 Nov 1939
Death Place: Bronx, New York, USA
Certificate Number: 10629
Below, this could be the son Charles (son of Bertha) in the census records above. Death record would tell his parent's names
US Social Security Death Index
Charles Nelson
Last residence: 11209 Brooklyn, Kings, New York, USA
Birth: 3 Aug 1919
Died: May 1984 |
Edited by - JaneC on 01/02/2014 22:51:20 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2014 : 22:56:41
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Oswald immigrated about 1913 per "declaration of intent" below. The passenger manifest I posted may still be him, showing him returning to the USA after a trip to Norway. You can check the original document to see if it says he's been in USA before (that's a question on the manifest).
1900 census in Norway = Osvald Georg
1910 census in Norway (posted previously by jkmarler):
Osvald Kristiansen born 19 May 1896 in Arendal, Aust-Agder, Norway
Not uncommon for a person to use his/her middle name as a "calling" name.
from Family Search:
World War I Draft Registration 1917-1918
Name: George Christensen
Place: New York City no 28, New York, United States
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 19 May 1896 <------------------------
Birthplace: Arendal, , Norway
Nationality: Norway
Single
Occupation: Ship rigger
Dependents: Mother and sister
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-26646-45296-28?cc=1968530&wc=M9W1-HWY:n1732928021
Alabama, Naturalization Records, 1909-1991 (indexed on Ancestry.com)
Declaration of Intent to file for US citizenship
Name: Oswald George Christiansen
Birth Date: 19 May 1896 <---------------------
Birth Place: Arendal, Norway
Civil Date: 8 Sep 1919
Court City: Birmingham
Court District: U.S. District Court for the Southern (Birmingham) Division of the Northern District of Alabama
The above is the transcription provided by Ancestry.com. Below I've typed up more of the information that appears in the actual declaration of intent:
"I, Oswald George Christiansen, aged 23 years, occupation rigger, do declare on oath.... I was born in Arendal, Norway on the 19 day of May anno Domini 1896; I now reside at 2314 16th Avenue, Ensley, Alabama, I emigrated to the United States of America from Cardiff, England, on the vessel Malmstad; my last foreign residence was Arendal, Norway; I am not married; ....I arrived at the port of New York on or about 07 April 1913."
--Signature is Oswald George Christiansen
US Social Security Death Index
Name: Oswald Christiansen
SSN: ---
Last Residence: 1219 Brooklyn, Kings, New York, USA
Born: 19 May 1896 <-----------------------------
Died: 20 Dec 1991
So that's the oldest five siblings to America. The mother Anne is said to be in Norway on the passenger manifests posted. We haven't searched yet for Atle Kristiansen and Dorthea Kristiansen. Per Oswald George's WWI draft registration, Dorthea seems to be living with her mother at that time. |
Edited by - JaneC on 02/02/2014 02:14:29 |
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lindachristiansen
Junior member
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Posted - 02/02/2014 : 02:46:32
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| Actually, I can say I found Atle myself, but only after learning from you. He arrived in New York August 18, 1914 on the ship The United States. I am not sure where he went after that. However, I don't think I told you, but my father's middle name was Atle. My grandmother had brother Oscar Forland. My Dad's name was Oscar Atle Christiansen. As soon as I Saw Atle's name I knew we had the right family. The other proving fact. Oswald George ended up in Alabama. Paul and Meidel were living there at that time and met their wives there. |
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