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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 04/02/2014 : 01:28:17
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Okay got it - the marriage record for Dorthea and Christian, which shows her maiden name is indeed Christiansen. Found on italian.gen dot org
22 September 1923 in Kings county, New York (where Brooklyn is)
Morland, Christian
marries
Christiansen, Dorothy
http://italiangen.org/records-search/grooms.php
If you order the original document, it will contain more information and possibly give her age and name her parents.
Also got evidence that "your" Dorthea did go to USA. In the Norwegian Digital Archives, Emigranter fra Arendal 1903-1930:
Dorthea Christiansen registered to emigrate on 30 September 1921. She is unmarried, occupation is "Tjenestepike" (servant girl), born 1900 in Arendal, going to USA.
from Ellis Island website:
Port of Departure: Christiania
Ship of Travel: Bergensfjord
Date of Arrival: Oct 10, 1921
Name: Dorthea Christiansen
Ethnicity: Norway, Norwegian
Last Place of Residence: Arendal, Norway
Age at Arrival: 21 Gender: F Marital Status: S
Manifest Line Number: 0010
Traveling to brother Oswald Christiansen at 715 60th Street, Brooklyn, NY
Whether ever been in USA before: No
Length of time planning to stay: 3 years
Birthplace: Arendal, Norway
Nearest relative in place when she came: Mother Anne Christiansen, Ormetjern, Arendal.
Destination: Brooklyn
On the 1910 census for the Christiansen family in Arendal, note this:
Merknader: Ormetjern 166
On the other emigratino records where we couldn't read the address for Anne, the handwriting might say "Ormetjern."
05 Oct 1926 Christian Mørland b 1896 and Dorothea Mørland b 1900 registered to depart from Arendal for America. His occupation is listed as "Tømmermann" (carpenter, I think). So perhaps Anne, the mother of the Christiansen siblings, is still living? which could be one reason Dorothea returned for a visit. Of course there could be other reasons - such as visiting Christian's family.
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=31&filnamn=EMIAREND&gardpostnr=4851&merk=4851#ovre |
Edited by - JaneC on 04/02/2014 14:11:07 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 04/02/2014 : 01:32:33
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Also on italiangen.org, a marriage of Oswald Christiansen to Harriet Richter on 02 February 1921 in Kings county, New York. I saw this couple in the census (probably you did too) where he was "Oswald G.". Might be your Oswald. Have you determined if this is your Oswald George? Oswald George filed for US citizenship in Alabama, but the Ellis Island passenger manifest listing Dorthea proves he is back in Brooklyn again circa 1921.
Also on italiangen.org is the marriage of Charles E Nelson and Bergliot Christiansen on 08 April 1916 in Kings county (posted earlier by Jackie)
http://italiangen.org/records-search/grooms.php
No hits on Atle.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 04/02/2014 : 14:42:46
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Hi linda, Where did you get the name "Marthin" (for Meidel's father)?
Here's that 1865 census eibache posted for the family of Christian Eriksen, Haraldstad and Olea Larsdatter, Sævespl. Kristian Eriksen is a type of farmer. On the online transcription you can see the notation "Understøttes af Fattigvæsenet," which refers to poor support (welfare) I think. (? fattig = poor)
1865
Gard: Karterud
Prestegjeld: Skibthveit
Sokn: Skibthveit
in Østfold, Norway
* Kristian Eriks., age 42, Husfadr (husfader/housefather), Husmand uden Jord, b Rakkestad
* Olea Larsd., age 49, hans Kone (his wife), b Rakkestad
* Lars Peter Kristians., 15, deres Søn (their son), b Rakkestad
* Johannes Kristians, 13., b Rakkestad
* Edevart Kristians., 9, b Skibthveit
* Anton Kristians., 5, b Skibthveit
* Marthin Kristians., 3, b Skibthveit
* Anette Kristiansd., 2, b Skibthveit |
Edited by - JaneC on 04/02/2014 16:03:58 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 04/02/2014 : 15:32:16
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eibache also posted that Anne Severine Aslaksdatter (Meidel's mother) was born at Strømmen in Hisøy Aug 8 1864 to parents Aslak Aslaksen and Bergitte Svendsdatter, Strømmen. Anne's mother died the following March. As eibache showed, Anne had an older sister Gumborg Seselia Aslaksdatter, born about 1861. Have you looked for the father or sister in later records?
A photo and map of Hisøy-Strømmen (on the southeast coast of Norway) here:
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/24237229 |
Edited by - JaneC on 04/02/2014 16:05:27 |
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lindachristiansen
Junior member
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Posted - 04/02/2014 : 19:15:01
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| No, I haven't looked for Gumborg as of yet, but the 1865 census listed Anne and her sister as orphans, and they were living with another family, so I have not gone any further with either parent. I do have both parents in my tree, however. Thank you for the added info on 1865 census for Marthin's family. I saw the census, but did not glean the economic situation from it. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/02/2014 : 19:23:51
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| Pastoral acts performed at the Norwegian Seaman's church in New York are available at the Digitalarkivet. Or they were but may not be totally accessible right at the moment.. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/02/2014 : 20:32:32
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Pastoral acts performed at the Norwegian Seaman's church in New York are available at the Digitalarkivet. Or they were but may not be totally accessible right at the moment..
Thanks Jackie.
linda, I was excited about finding Dorothy in the USA! Since you don't comment, not sure if you saw that...or.....? |
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lindachristiansen
Junior member
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Posted - 05/02/2014 : 01:16:07
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| I checked the census for Oswald and Harriet, and one thing stood out to me. I did see this earlier but dismissed it because he and Harriet's occupations were Hair dressers. On the naturalization document and world war I draft registration, he listed his occupation as rigger. That is not saying he could not have changed occupations, but it makes me uneasy. The Dorothy info, however, seems true to me. I am going to check into that further. However, I found a death record for Norman Morland. He died April 8, 1999 in Gibbsboro, Camden, New Jersey. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/02/2014 : 02:27:49
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Agreed about Oswald.
If you'll post a full record for Norman Morland death (08 April 1999 in Gibbsboro, Camden, New Jersey) then all can see (anyone who is helping) why you identify him as being the correct Norman. Otherwise each collaborator has to run and fetch these records separately. Thanks.
OBIT for Norman. Memorials to Sons of Norway Charitable Trust Fund. The Sons of Norway organization might be able to help with information or contacts for this family (a long shot):
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/courierpostonline/obituary.aspx?pid=129888426
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lindachristiansen
Junior member
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Posted - 05/02/2014 : 16:33:38
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| I did not list the death records, because I am not entirely sure that it is the correct Norman. There was a US Public Records of a Norman A. Morland living at 7 Chatham Rd, Gibbsboro, New Jersey in 1992, Birth Date Mar 13, 1930. This matches the SS Death Index for this person which has him listed as a Navy Veteran for the Korean War. However, the A for the middle name throws me a little, as the census records that I have never list that. All we know from the census is that he was born in 1930. But on Ancestry I cannot find a Birth Record that matches. I would be much more confident if I had that. But thank you for the Sons of Norway info. I've been thinking of contacting the local organization. If that was the correct Norman, then that Obituary gives me several new cousins. PS Jane, I thought your comment yesterday about Ozzie and Harriet was funny! got a chuckle out of that. |
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lindachristiansen
Junior member
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Posted - 05/02/2014 : 17:43:47
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| I also have two professional photographs.: One of Christian, Paul and Meidel, the other of Dorthea and I think possibly Bergljot. None that I know of, of Oswald or Atle. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 05/02/2014 : 20:25:32
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Originally posted by lindachristiansen
...US Public Records ... Norman A. Morland ... Birth Date Mar 13, 1930. This matches the SS Death Index ... However, the A for the middle name throws me a little, as the census records that I have never list that.
The Ozzie and Harriet comment was funny? Good! I deleted it but maybe should have kept it! Hard to know if humor pulls off.
What's this about "The census records you have"? I posted 1940 and left the 1930 to you...so you DID fetch it?
About Norman, from the family tree online, posted above:
Dorthea Christiansen, f. 19.03.1900 i Arendal, Aust-Agder (datter av Marthin Christiansen og Anne), bosted (fam) i Brooklyn, New York, USA.
Barn: Norman Mørland, f. 13.03.1930 i Brooklyn, New York, USA." [ = 13 March 1930]
1992 US Public Records in Gibbsboro NJ (Ancestry.com database)
Norman A. Morland - you've now added the info that this Norman was born 13 March 1930
SSDI you found (but haveln't posted) - you've now added the information that that Norman A Morland? was born 13 March 1930?
I agree that an online family tree cannot verify that Norman b 13 March 1930 is the son of Dorothy - however, the family tree has the other information correct. It remains to prove it correct in this case, but likely it is. The obit for Norman lists his survivors, and they are contact-able.
Your most recent post re. the Norman findings adds a date of birth for each record that was omitted in your first quickie reference. In future, let's just let it all hang out and let our hair down and - what the heck - post our records! In full! If we're in error on something, so what? We're here to add to each other's research and each other's finds. And if a wrong record gets posted? So what? Our posts can be deleted, or edited, and within the edit mode, there's a strikethrough option. Besides, what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas, and I won't tell if you won't. This isn't a contest - and catching each other's errors is a part of teamwork.
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lindachristiansen
Junior member
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Posted - 05/02/2014 : 22:50:11
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I got the name "Marthin" for my great grandfather from my father. And your birth record for his father Christian Eriksen seemed to pan out, because as soon as I impute his father' and mother's names on my tree, A marriage date popped up from "Norway Marriages" for Christian and his wife Olea Lardatter, who's name matched his wife on the 1910 census, so I believe it is correct: Marriage date - Sept 10,1846 in Rakkestad, Ostfold, Norway. Olea's bd is 1824.
On Norman, I did pull up the 1930 census which had the family living in the same house, but Christian Morland seemed to have no work, much better in the 1940 Census where his occupation is Carpenter in building construction. Norman was just a couple of months old.
The reason I mentioned the photographs earlier, is that I found the groupings interesting. The 3 older brothers came first, and the girls later. Perhaps they wanted pictures to send home to Anne. But again, where are Oswald and Atle. It was suggested that since my father's middle name is Atle, that perhaps Atle had died. However, we know that Bergljot immigrated in 1921 and declared that she was visiting "her brother Oswald". So he was alive at that point. My father was born in 1919. I will keep on looking, but again must go support my habit (work). |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/02/2014 : 23:32:27
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Originally posted by eibache
Martin Christiansen was born at Lystadhytta in Skiptvet March 18 1862, #19.
His parents were Christian Eriksen and Olia Larsdatter.
Martin, his parents and siblings in 1865.
Christian Eriksen, Haraldstad and Olea Larsdatter, Sævespl. were married Sept 10 1846, #33.
Hi linda, we can thank eibache, he posted the info for Martin's parents. Interesting about the photos. Can you say more?
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 06/02/2014 : 01:31:58
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Here is the abstract of Dorothea's marriage in the Seamen's church records:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=46&filnamn=vi21001878ny&gardpostnr=830&personpostnr=4962&merk=4962#ovre
Serial no. Married Year Remarks
830 08 2209 1923 Norsk borger
Role Position Given name Last name Residence Birth place Age
4961 Brudgom Carpenter Christian Mörland 4910 - 6th Ave. Brooklyn Arendal 1896
4962 Brur Dorothea Christiansen 4910 - 6th Ave. Brooklyn Arendal 1900
4963 Brugdom far + Gaardbruker Thorbjørn H. Mörland
4964 Brur far Martin Christiansen
4965 Forlovar Thomas Svendvig ??
4966 Forlovar Samuel Rossfjord Brooklyn |
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