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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 07/02/2014 : 23:03:34
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from the 1910 census, Kristian Arnold Christiansen born 16 Aug 1888
US Naturalization Record
Name: Christian Arnold Christiansen
Age: 36
Birth Date: 16 Aug 1888
Spouse's Name: Anne
Children: Eleanor Mabel Arnold
Arrival Date: 1910
Naturalization Date: 24 Jun 1925
State: New York
Court Type: District Court
Court Location: Eastern District, New York
Naturalization Record Type: Petition for Naturalization
Just looked at your tree on Ancestry.com, Linda - very fun to see that you've got so many records and so much knowledge of the family.
Do double check - I noticed some mistakes as well, such as Bergljot dying in Norway. Record you've attached says that particular Berglijot was Bergljot Berg Kristiansen born 23 Nov 1892 and died 1958 and is buried Trondheim, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway. "Your" Berlijot was born 21 Dec 1892, doesn't have a maiden name of Berg, and had a married name of Nelson. I haven't looked extensively - just a quick peek and leave it to you to comb through. BTW - I know it's a "work in progress."
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lindachristiansen
Junior member
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Posted - 07/02/2014 : 23:19:30
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| thanks, will do |
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lindachristiansen
Junior member
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Posted - 07/02/2014 : 23:34:12
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| Thanks, Jane. I did change Begljot's info. I am not sure where those death dates came from. As you saw, my mother's family was easy. A lot of the history was already known and researched. Her family still has family reunions every three years, at which time a lot of new information on the family tree is shared. My father's family has been a puzzle. So you and the others have been a big help to me, as I knew next to nothing. |
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lindachristiansen
Junior member
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Posted - 10/02/2014 : 23:04:02
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It has been quiet for far too long (4 days). I am trying to follow through on info given to me on this site, but it the mean time, is it rude to start another search? My grandmother's (wife of Meidel) father was born in Norway also. His name : Osmund T Forland . Here is how he was listed in the 1910 US Census: Under Name Foeland, but clearly handwriting is Forland
Head of House: Osmund Foeland - Birth: 1854 in Norway Occupation: farmer
Wife : Annie Birth: 1860 in Norway
Son: Johnnie Birth: 1890 in Illinois
Dau: Regina Birth 1892 in Illinois
Son: Oscar birth 1897 in Illinois
Son: Trygve Birth 1900 In Alabama
They lived in Baldwin county, Alabama
There is a farm there called Forland Farms. I found a article about it that said Osmund T Forland and wife Annie were the second owners. I am trying to figure out how to contact them. I know these are the same people as my father's cousin Ray Forland visited there quite frequently. I thought it would be fun to join him sometime, but a busy life interfered and then he passes away a few years ago. Were the original owners his parents? Not so sure as his parents were born in Norway and he immigrated here in 1972. Thanks again, Linda Christiansen |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/02/2014 : 01:21:39
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Interestingn questions linda.
from Forland Farms online brochure article about it:
"The first Forland farm was purchased in 1904 by Tom and Kristina Forland, who came to America from Forland, Norway. They purchased 100 acres and began farming row crops..."
GENERATIONS of Forland Farmers
1. Tom and Kristina Forland
2. Osmund and Annie Forland -- per 1910 census, Osmund b abt 1854 in Norway
3. John and Florence Forland <-------Meidel's wife's brother, per 1940 census b abt 1891 Illinois
4. Oscar and Jean Forland. <--------this generation is your dad's first cousins, maybe**
5. John and Alecia Forland - continiue to farm per website
6. Michelle Forland, their daughter
**Website wasn't clear whether the farm always passed from parents to child or whether sometimes it passed from sibling to sibling.
1940 US census
Loxley and Robertsdale, Baldwin, Alabama
John Forland 49, born about 1891 in Illinois, farmer
Florence Forland 43 b Illinois
Theodore Forland 8 b Alabama
A record to be checked out:
FORLAND, OSMUND married 4 Sep 1889 in COOK COUNTY, ILLINOIS, a bride named ANNIE THORSON.
I love how you kicked this off with the 1910 census - very helpful . I'll check back ... |
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lindachristiansen
Junior member
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Posted - 11/02/2014 : 03:26:18
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As usual, you ladies come through with ideas. However, I did look at that Marriage record for Cook County and even used it as it matched a census from 1900. The childrens names almost matched, but instead of my grandmother Ragna or Regina there was someone named Annie, and instead of my grandmother's brother Trygve, they had Theadore. The birthdays were almost 2 close, and the 1910 census said that the mother had only 4 children. Also, my father had written that his grandmother's name was Annie Olsen, he thought. The location is the same - Baldwin County Alabama. It could be that my father was wrong about her last name. Could they have called my grandmother Annie as a nick name, and could Trygve be converted to Theodore in English? It seems to much of a coincidence to me. Here is the 1900 census:
Head of House: Osm ..... Forland Birthday: Feb 1855 in Norway Age: 45 Parents born in Norway Occupation: Farmer
Wife Annie Dec 1859 in Norway 40 Norway
Son Jonnie Jul 1890 Illinois 9
Dau Annie Oct 1892 Illinois 7
Son Oscar Feb 1897 Illinois 3
Son Theador May 1899 Illinois 1
My Grandmother: Ragna Olive Forland was born Oct 11,1892, and Trygve was born in May 18, 1899, but in Alabama. As you can see, the birthdays fit, So if the names can be interchanged, then I am willing to accept the 1900 census.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/02/2014 : 03:31:40
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You found the right 1900 census. Go linda!
"It could be that my father was wrong about her last name." Yes. I recently told my adult nephew his grandmother's last name, and he had not known it. (This is his father's mother - not my side. His father died many years ago, when my nephew was very young. I'm sure he had been told at some time during his life but had forgotten.) But here's the funny thing: his brother's middle name is that surname. "Wow," he said, "that explains my brother's middle name." Yup, it does.
"Could they have called my grandmother [Ragna] Annie as a nick name," Yes. It's either a mistake (repeating her mother's name) or a nickname.
"Could Trygve be converted to Theodore in English?" Yes. And maybe that's a clue. Maybe "Tom Forland" who is the earliest Forland on that list, is "Trygve." Maybe.
I see jkmarler is on the case. Let's pitch in and help with that. Maybe you can look for immigration ca 1872 for the Forlands (arriving US) and I'll help seek emigration for the Forlands (depart Norway). |
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lindachristiansen
Junior member
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Posted - 11/02/2014 : 03:39:49
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Jane, you said there was a brochure? What I found on line was a publication called Farmers and Fishermen's Market that was featuring the Forland Farms in their September 1913 issue. Is the what you found? or do they actually have a brochure? I would be interested in seeing that.
By the way, I found the 1930 census in Alameda County, California which lists: Osmund & Annie, Meidel & Ragna & sons, Trygve and Daisy and children, all on the same Page. The three families went to San Francisco first with Paul Christiansen and family, then the three families bought property in Oakland, California. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/02/2014 : 03:47:50
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Hi - sorry about not posting the link to Forland Farms. I was actually referring to a website not a brochure. Probably same thing you found. Dated Sep 2013.
http://www.coastalalabamamarket.com/featured-farm.aspx
Clearly the Forlands who still own this place are proud of their family history and knowledgeable about it. They might know the family history in Norway.
Way to go on the 1930 census. 
> "I did look at that Marriage record for Cook County." <
The oldest children are born in Illinois so certainly the parents could marry in Chicago. How many Osmund Forlands are going to marry an Annie in an appropriate time period in Illinois? If you can get a copy of that original marriage certificate, awesome. It will tell (or might tell) their parents names. Also this is a sign that Osmund may have been naturalized as a US citizen in Illinois (did the 1900 census say he's naturalized?) It's a two-step process. He files a "Declaration of Intent" and then "Final Papers." If he came in 1872 (you mentioned that year, not sure where you got it?), he was about 18 or maybe younger. If younger, and if he came with his parents, he might have been naturalized as part of his father's citizenship process (if he went through the process) but I don't think so, because people can't file for citizenship immediately, there's a waiting period. Citizenship papers/naturalization papers sometimes tell the date of immigration and birth place etc., so look for those.
Also look for Osmund's death certificate.
The 1900 US census and the 1910 census both list a year of immigration, so would you mind adding those as well to your transcriptions (and I am loving them, by the way)
from Find-a-Grave
John T Forland (1890-1950) buried Silverhill Cemetery, Silverhill, Baldwin, Alabama, with
Florence E Forland (1896-1960)
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Forland&GSiman=1&GScid=26280&GRid=36223509&
possible alternate: Førland
You wrote: "I know these are the same people [at Forland Farms in Alabama] as my father's cousin Ray Forland visited there quite frequently. I thought it would be fun to join him sometime, but a busy life interfered and then he passes away a few years ago."
Find-a-Grave memorial, Raymond T Forland (1926-2005)
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Forland&GSiman=1&GSsr=121&GRid=12255793&
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/02/2014 : 05:50:49
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At familysearch there is a family tree which identifies this Osmund Thormodson as Osmunc Forland. Here is a possible, #11:
Source information: Rogaland county, Tysvær in Tysvær, Parish register copy nr. B 2 (1852-1868), Birth and baptism records 1854, page 20.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=15909&idx_id=15909&uid=ny&idx_side=-21
Birthdate varies from expected Jan vs Feb, 1854 vs1855.
Here Osmund Thormodson Førland age 18 leaves Tysvær, #17 right hand column:
Source information: Rogaland county, Tysvær in Tysvær, Parish register (official) nr. A 5 (1865-1878), Migration records 1873, page 166.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1707&idx_id=1707&uid=ny&idx_side=-146
Apparently left through Stavanger:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&filnamn=STAV&gardpostnr=4630&merk=4630#ovre
Here with family in 1865 census:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=7&filnamn=f61146&gardpostnr=142&personpostnr=806&merk=806#ovre
Tormod Anderson the probable father on Førland in 1865:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=14&filnamn=f61146&gardpostnr=141&personpostnr=803#nedre
Other children after the 1865 census:
Ranvæg #57
Source information: Rogaland county, Tysvær in Tysvær, Parish register (official) nr. A 5 (1865-1878), Birth and baptism records 1866, page 6.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1707&idx_id=1707&uid=ny&idx_side=-10
Lauritz #31
Source information: Rogaland county, Tysvær in Tysvær, Parish register (official) nr. A 5 (1865-1878), Birth and baptism records 1871, page 29.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1707&idx_id=1707&uid=ny&idx_side=-33
(this entry tells the parents have been married 21 years)
Tormod Anderson b 1821 widower living with son Lourits Tormodson on Søndenaa in 1900:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=3&filnamn=f01146&gardpostnr=110&merk=110#ovre |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/02/2014 : 06:03:24
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Well that's interesting because earlier I found this guy I thought I'd try to figure him out tomorrow - same person
http://www.norwayheritage.com/udvandret.asp?type=passengerlist&ps=30292&jo=318
Passenger list:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=318&ps=30292
I didn't find Tom Forland in Baldwin County, Alabama in 1900 or 1910, did anybody else?
Seems like the right family.
Birth - baptism record posted by Jackie:
born 12 January, baptized 12 March
Osmund
parents farmer Tormud Andersen Forland and wife Johanne Osmundsdatter.
Baptismal witnesses include Anders Andersen Forland and Ingeborg Osmundsdatter (possible siblings to the parents)
1865 census in Tysvær prgj, Tysvær sokn, Rogaland, Norway
Tormod Anders., married, age 44, Gaardbr Selveier, b Tysver Prgj.
enumerated on separate page but next to:
Johanne Osmundd. married, age 36, b Tysver Prgj
Anders Tormods. age 18, their son, hjelper Faderen m. Gaardbr (helps father with farm)
Osmund Tormods. age 12, hjelper Faderen m. Gaardbr
Tormod Tormods. age 8
Soffie Tormodsd. age 4
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 11/02/2014 : 06:33:13
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Seems like it should be. Birth date of emigrating guy doesn't match Osmund's brother, but in the 1865 census Tormod age 8 could be age 3, misread. Or it could just be a flat out mistake.
off the board for now |
Edited by - JaneC on 11/02/2014 15:30:33 |
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lindachristiansen
Junior member
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Posted - 11/02/2014 : 07:21:09
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Now I see what the T for his middle initial stands for, "Thormodsen". Thanks Jackie, I Think this is probably my great grandfather. The California death index indicates he was born about 1852. His Name: Osmund T Forland. Death date: May 16, 1938 in Alameda County, California. I have looked for naturalization papers, but nothing pops up. I also looked at the Ellis Island and could not find a match.
And Jane, I thought the same thing about the marriage in Cooke County, and you are right, "how many Osmunds and Annies are there. I am sure you are right. and the find a grave for Raymond T Forland was my "uncle". (I know 1st cousins once removed and all that. I just called him Uncle Ray.
So in your opinion are the 1900 and 1910 censuses the same family. I tried to look at address, but it was not on the page. Could the census worker not know how to spell "Ragna" or "Trygve" |
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