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JaneC
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lindachristiansen
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 Posted - 11/02/2014 : 23:41:54
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| That is interesting. My father was born in Silver Hill. |
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lindachristiansen
Junior member
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Posted - 12/02/2014 : 01:03:04
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| I got the 1872 date from the 1920 census and the two links that Jackie posted. Or was that you. I get confused. One was the Kildeinformasjon: Rogaland Fylke, Tysvaer I Tysvaer, Ministerialbok, page 166. you can find the link a few pages back. This info claimed that he left on May 9, 1872. The other was Emigranter fra Stavanger. The third was the Passenger list for the Carl Johan which arrived on May 22, 1872 (list number 51) in Quebec, |
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lindachristiansen
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Posted - 12/02/2014 : 01:05:08
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| And you are right. I have to get busy and get marriage and death certificates. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/02/2014 : 02:14:16
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Originally posted by lindachristiansen
I got the 1872 date from the 1920 census and the two links that Jackie posted. Or was that you. I get confused. One was the Kildeinformasjon: Rogaland Fylke, Tysvaer I Tysvaer, Ministerialbok, page 166. you can find the link a few pages back. This info claimed that he left on May 9, 1872. The other was Emigranter fra Stavanger. The third was the Passenger list for the Carl Johan which arrived on May 22, 1872 (list number 51) in Quebec,
Okay, thanks for explaining the 1872 immigration date came from the 1920 US census. Why I asked is I was hoping maybe your father had stated that year, or that you had some other source. That would strengthen the case for accepting the 1872 immigration record Jackie found.
Since you've no other source at this point, nor do I, we're stuck (for the moment) with just the one 1872 immigration source and several other US census records that conflict.
Would you mind double checking the other census years? Did we make a mistake in noting his year of immigration in those census records?
The other 1872 records you mention don't count, I'm afraid. Don't want to rain on your parade, but those aren't records for your Osmund, those are records for the "candidate" Osmund. True, he might turn out to be your Osmund, but before we accept him, let's find more ways to match him with your Osmund.
Back in an edit to say the candidate turned out to be the correct Osmund. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/02/2014 : 02:40:23
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Originally posted by lindachristiansen
And you are right. I have to get busy and get marriage and death certificates.
Yeah, wish somebody would find the info online (Osmund full birth date and/or parents' names) but since so far we haven't....
Here's a lead. Remember the Michelle in this story?
http://www.coastalalabamamarket.com/featured-farm.aspx
A person with that name is on Facebook, has FB friends named Forland who live in Silverhill, Alabama, and has a farm tractor as profile photo. You think maybe it's the right Michelle? lol  Anybody can write a message to a person on Facebook, so you might try that if you can't get reach her another way.
Below, a link to a book that mentions "O. Forland" pressing sugarcane...
"Memories Preserved: Scandinavians in Alabama" published by Silverhill Memories
Discussion of the communities of Silverhill, Thorsby, and Fruithurst
Includes a vivid description of the founding of Silverhill in 1897 and the first years.
In 1900 Osmund and family were in Lowell, Baldwin, Alabama
from the book: "The owner of the Lowell Turpentine Still, Martin Lowell, always paid his employees in silver dollars, thus the name of Silverhill." Maybe Lowell and Silverhill are the same? Needs research. But anyway both were in Baldwin county. Apparently this area was advertised heavily in Chicago and many who bought land there at turn of the last century were Scandinavians who moved there from Illinois. (I mention because it's always interesting to find one's ancestors fitting into a larger historic pattern)
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~alcsilve/memories.html
Reason I found it - I was searching for Thorsons who went from Illinois to Alabama, same track as Osmund's wife Anna.
Silverhill School in 1929
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~alcsilve/silverhillsch33lg.jpg
Baldwin County, Alabama genealogy look-up volunteers:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~albcgs/lookups.htm
O. Forland on a 1916 voter registration list, Marlow, Baldwin county, Alabama:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~albcgs/1916vote.htm
A genealogy post I found on an Ancestry.com message board (Baldwin county, Alabama message board)
"Looking for ...burial sites and transcripts in the Robertsdale/ Silverhill area. I am assuming that this is the Lowell District listed in the early county census."
I had the same thought!
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/02/2014 : 04:48:00
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Here is the Family Search birth-baptism I posted earlier, for Tormod Anderson, who is the father of the "candidate" Osmund.
This could be the birth-baptism of the same Tormod, from
Name: Tormod Andersen
Gender: Male
Event Date: 29 Jun 1821
Event Place: TYSVAER, ROGALAND, NORWAY
Birth Date: 18 Jun 1821
Father's Name: Anders Knudsen
Mother's Name: Ranveg Tormodsdr
Here is his confirmation record in the Tysvaer church book, which confirms that birth date and those parents- see #18:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050922031111.jpg
Source information: Rogaland county, Tysvær in Tysvær, Parish register (official) nr. A 1.1 (1831-1856), Confirmation records 1838, page 229.
Thormod Anderson on a family tree online
"Thormod Andersen (son of Anders Knudsen and Ran(d)veg Thormodsdotter) was born January 29, 1821, and died date unknown."
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/h/o/Loren-L-Thompson/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0050.html
I think this is the father of the "candidate" Osmund
A map of Rogaland here; you can see Tysvaer on the left:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/rogaland.html
A cool 3-D map view of Tysaver here:
http://www.fjordway.com/hgl1400.jpg |
Edited by - JaneC on 12/02/2014 05:14:37 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/02/2014 : 08:16:35
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Baptism from ELCA database:
church is identified as Trinity Lutheran, Chicago, Illinois
page 517, first entry on page
Theodor Johan Forland
b. 15 July 1890
bapt 31 Aug 1890
parents: Osmund Forland & Anna Thostenson
no faddernes are named.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/02/2014 : 08:37:46
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Tormod Anderson dies on 17 Sept 1910. Here is the link to his dødsfallprotokol, bottom of page. One son Osmund is listed as living in US and his address Sillwerhil Allabama USA:
Source information: Rogaland county, Tysvær lensmann, Dødsfallsprotokoll (SAST/A-100192/Gga/L0002), 1897-1916, oppb: Statsarkivet i Stavanger.
Remarks: "Dødsfalds-Protokol for Lensmanden i Tysvær Lensmandsdistrikt"
Permanent page-link: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/51912/57/
Also Tormod is listed as survived by a wife Kristine Halgersdtr. Here is their marriage 25 Nov 1904, #3:
Source information: Rogaland county, Tysvær in Tysvær, Parish register (official) nr. A 8 (1897-1912), Marriage records 1903-1905, page 116.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6361&idx_id=6361&uid=ny&idx_side=-117
Tormod & Kristine serve as fadder for the baptism of Johanne, granddaughter of Tormod in 1899:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=dp11461897ty&personpostnr=1038&merk=1038
Kristine in the 1900 census living with her mother:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=7&filnamn=f01146&gardpostnr=88&personpostnr=440&merk=440#ovre
#2 & #6 deaths of Karen Sofie Thormodsdtr and Johanne Aasmundsdtr:
Source information: Rogaland county, Tysvær in Tysvær, Parish register (official) nr. A 6 (1878-1896), Death and burial records 1879, page 176.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6360&idx_id=6360&uid=ny&idx_side=-159 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 12/02/2014 16:34:38 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/02/2014 : 14:39:02
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Yeah, wish somebody would find the info online (Osmund full birth date and/or parents' names) but since so far we haven't....
- is this what you are looking for, Osmund born Jan 12 1854 #11 - parents Tormod Andersen, Førland and Johanne Osmundsdatter.
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lindachristiansen
Junior member
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Posted - 12/02/2014 : 18:19:15
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| OK, I am officially overwhelmed. This is a plethora of information for me to follow up on. I read the "Scandinavians in Alabama" Which was very interesting. I just followed through on facebook. Typed in Michelle's name before, but never went through to her home page. Did you notice Jane, that there is a link to Forland Farms. Yes, she is the right Michelle. So I messaged her, then sent a friend request. I will spend the rest of the day trying to follow up on the the rest of this information, but perhaps Michelle, or parents can give us information to make sense of what we have been surmising. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/02/2014 : 18:19:54
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WOO HOO!!! You guys are awesome!
Thank you to both jkmarler and eibache. When /if a full birth date for linda's Osmund in America can be found, it should match the birth date for the candidate Osmund in Norway (both jkmarler and eibache have posted the birth record). Ditto for an American record of parents names for Osmund in America - they should match the candidate Osmund.
In any case, jkmarler has now proved the "candidate" Osmund is indeed linda's ancestor. A nice piece of detective work, Jackie! 
Linda, the findings are beyond dispute. The proof comes with his father's probate. When Tormud Andersen, Forland, died, he left a will that mentioned his son, OSMUND, living in SILVERHILL, ALABAMA. It's a match, beyond doubt.
Jackie has also shown that Osmund's wife was Annie Thorstensen (see the birth record for their child)
BTW it's great you are following up with Michelle, linda. Who knows? Maybe you'll have information she does not and has wondered about.
I wonder if Forland Farms could have been first purchased by Annie's father Thorsten? He could be "Tom." And linda's family story is a little dim, but there's a family memory that "they all came from the same place." So that's a line of research that could now be followed. But first, one must catch one's breath. This is very exciting. |
Edited by - JaneC on 13/02/2014 03:35:15 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/02/2014 : 19:10:40
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More about Lauritz Tormodsen
Here's a transcription of the birth record posted by jkmarler for Lauritz Tormudsen, Forland (aka Lawrence)
Lauritz
Place: Tysvær in Tysvær, Rogaland, Norway
Birth date: 27 July 1871,
Baptism: 27 August 1871
Father: Gmd (= gaardmand = farmer) Tormud Andersen (51)
Mother: Johanne Osmunesdatter (43) Forland,
Parents have been married 21 years
1897 Going to America, Laurits Tormodsen Førland b 1871, Tysvær:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/kb/uf/person/pu00000000042131
1900 census
Søndenaa farm in Tysvær herad
Lourits Tormudsen, [living at?] Haugesund, married, occupation "gaardb. snedker, bestyrer for eget sagbrug" born 1871 in "T" (must mean Tysvær)
Karen Sivertsdatter, married, "gaardmandskone" (= farmer's wife), born 1875 in T
Tormod Lauritsen, søn, born 1898 in T
Tormod Andersen, widower, "føderaadsmand" born 1821 in T, "Nytt hushold overstrøket."
Anna Gydal - I think she's some kind of boarder? studying at a teacher training school?
You will need a Norwegian to help with this translation.
Here again is the 1910 census for Laurits:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036651000572
CHILDREN
Back in an edit to say I've now found this family on an Ancestry.com family tree -- after all these lookups, lol.. :D
Tormod Lauritsen 15.01.1898 at Tysvær. Laurits's brother Anders Tormodsen and wife Ingeborg Gudmundsdtr of Førland are baptismal sponsors, as is Kristine Holgersdatter, also of Førland (she later matters the father Tormud Andersen Førland).
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/kb/dp/person/pd00000001115275
Johanne, 22.06.1899, at Søndenaa (on an Ancestry.com tree as Hanne Bertille Lauritsdatter Askeland)
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/kb/gr/person/pg00000000326822
Anna Lauritsen born 14.03.1901, residence Søndenaa, Laurits's brother Anders is a baptismal sponsor:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/kb/dp/person/pd00000001116600
Johanne Lauritsen born 20.10.1903, residence Førland, Laurits's brother Anders is again a baptismal sponsor:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/kb/dp/person/pd00000001117533
Sivert Lauritsen, born 22.09.1905, residence Førland:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/kb/dp/person/pd00000001118142
Kristina Lauritsen born 21.10.1907, residence Førland (found on an Ancestry.com family tree as Kristine "Kitti*" Lauritsdatter Førland). Baptismal sponsors include Laurits's brother Anders, and his father Tormud at residence Førland, and Kristine Holgersdtr. at residence Askeland (which is odd since Tormud and Kristine are married)
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/kb/dp/person/pd00000001118799
Holger Lauritsen born 04.10.1909, residence Førland; d 2 Dec 1985 and buried Tysvær, Rogaland, Norway (per DIS-Norge death index)
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/kb/dp/person/pd00000001119367
Torvald Magnus Lauritsen b 1911
Another birth, 1913, residence Førland:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/kb/df/person/pq00000000001427
Arne Ingvald Lauritsen Førland born 30 April 1915; d 29 Nov 1958; burial Tysvær, Rogaland, Norway (per DIS-Norge) |
Edited by - JaneC on 20/02/2014 04:37:07 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/02/2014 : 19:42:04
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linda, let us know if you need help understanding or organizing the records posted.
Did Osmund's wife Anna Thorstensen or Thorsen die 1933 in Alameda County, California? As far as original marriage and death records, I know you're on the case.
BTW a kind of wonderful pattern here is in the name Rangna. The spellings vary, which is typical before spellings got standardized and anyway the spellings in a transcription only reflect the way modern people are interpreting old handwriting.
Tormud Andersen had a mother Rangveg (as transcribed)
Tormud Andersen named a daughter Ranvæg (Osmund's sister)
Osmund Tormudsen named a daughter Ragna - your grandmother.
So your father's mother's name goes back and back in the family in Norway.
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Edited by - JaneC on 13/02/2014 03:39:52 |
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