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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 09/02/2014 : 20:11:16
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| Hi Deloresew, You're welcome. Curious - What do you mean you "have Johan and Ingeborg in North Dakota in 1881. Agnetta in 1882" ? |
Edited by - JaneC on 09/02/2014 20:12:07 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/02/2014 : 21:51:46
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Originally posted by Deloresew
Wow! THANKS to you all. I have Johan and Ingeborg in North Dakota in 1881. Agnetta in 1882.
Intersesting.
The Agnete I found emigrating in 1886 might not be yours, although she looked very promising. I later found in another list that she could be from the farm SKARKERUDEIE, and be the daughter of Johan Hansen & Agnethe Olsdatter. So possibly the 1886 emigration is not yours. But quite a coincidence that her brothers emigrated to the same place as the Agnethe in 1886.
Johan's wife died 1887..., strange that he emigrated before that?
Johan is listed together with grand-daughter Josephine Marie Karlsdatter in the 1901 emigration. Maybe he went back to Norway to take her to America?
Here is Josephine Marie Karlsdatter in census-1900. Haven't found her mother or grandfather in the 1900-census...
Josephine Marie Karlsdatter is an illegitimate child of Ingeborg, born 25 Feb 1882. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2014 : 22:41:46
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Not following the logic. jwiborg are you saying the meaning of "I have Johan and Ingeborg in North Dakota in 1881; Agnetta in 1882" means they were found to emigrate 1881 and 1882?
You found Johan in Norway census 1875 (before wife died) and 1891 (after wife died).
Stenar emigrated 1884 headed to Rio, Wisconsin.
Andreas emigrated 1885 headed to Rio, Wisconsin.
Edvard emigrated 1885 headed to Rio, Wisconsin.
Agnethe emigrated 1886 headed to Rio, Wisconsin.
A belated THANK YOU! jwiborg for the audio tool - that was cool. |
Edited by - JaneC on 10/02/2014 21:26:29 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2014 : 23:04:05
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Originally posted by JaneC
Not following the logic. jwiborg are you saying the meaning of "I have Johan and Ingeborg in North Dakota in 1881; Agnetta in 1882" means they were found to emigrate 1881 and 1882?
You found Johan in Norway census 1875 (before wife died) and 1891 (after wife died).
I forgot about the 1891 census 
I interpret "I have Johan and Ingeborg in North Dakota in 1881. Agnetta in 1882." as that she have found records of these people in ND.
Agnete could be in ND as of 1882, but it doesn't look like Johan and Ingeborg could have been there that early. Ingeborg must have emigrated after 1882, and Johan emigrated in 1901. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2014 : 23:19:26
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Found Ingeborg emigration:
Registered to emigrage from Kristiania 29 May 1909
Ingeborg Johans. Stokke, widow, born 12.12.58, heimstad Biri
destination N Dacota, "reise til datteren"
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=25&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=191873&merk=191873#ovre
Posted previously:
1910 US Census
West Hope, Cavalier, North Dakota
Carl Dahlvang 39 [34] born in Minnesota
Josephine M Dahlvang 28 born abt 1882 Norway, to USA 1902
Clara J Dahlvang 4
Emma M Dahlvang 3
Ella I Dahlvang 1 year 1 month
Ingeborg Stokke 51 widowed, mother-in-law <-------Agnetta sister |
Edited by - JaneC on 10/02/2014 21:28:15 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 09/02/2014 : 23:46:36
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Reg Ingeborg.
"reise til datteren" travel to her daughter.
Occ; cleaning woman.
She brought with her 40 Kroner in cash.
Ticket Prp. Prepaid.
Place of home; Biri
Kåre |
Edited by - Kåarto on 09/02/2014 23:49:40 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2014 : 23:52:28
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Thank you for the translation Kåre. I take it you think some of us do not speak Norwegian? (you are right) 
from Kåre's post: "Biri is a village in the municipality of Gjøvik, Oppland county, Norway." So Biri is the right area for "our" Ingeborg Johannesdatter Stokke.
Now to check the birth record for Ingeborg, but meanwhile it is reasonable to suppose this is Agnette's sister Ingeborg traveling to her daughter Josephine, who emigrated in 1901 and married Carl Dahlvang and lives in North Dakota. |
Edited by - JaneC on 10/02/2014 21:29:10 |
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Deloresew
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 10/02/2014 : 23:45:13
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Hello; Thanks again.
I have notes and they are hand written so it could be a mistake by the author. I think the census-1865 are correct people. The 1886 travel could be, although I have never had the family connected with Wisconsin.
Here is the written text,
"They were born in Norway, The lived on the Stokke Gaard (farm) at Mjosa near Gjovik...Johan Johnson and his daughter, Ingeborg, moved to Vang, North Dakota in 1882, The rest of the family had moved there in 1881..." I believe this was written by Orville Swenson, Agnetta grandson. He complied a family tree and he lived in Calgary. Agnetta died 1925 in Saskatchewan, Canada. Changing last names make this a struggle. Confusion is easy. I hope everyone thinks solving these puzzles are fun. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2014 : 00:54:30
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> "The 1886 travel could be [ the correct people], although I have never had the family connected with Wisconsin."
Most often the destination listed on an emigration record is a port of entry or another place that is just a "place to land." Probably a friend or relative or neighbors lived in Rio, Wisconsin. Most immigrants needed a chance to regroup, maybe earn money, for supplies and for passage for family members left back home, before heading further west to file a claim on the homestead land they'd heard about. Most North Americans who try to settle a chronology for their immigrant ancestors find it very hard to find information to fill that first gap in time, which is typically a year to several years.
Who is Johan Johnson? Is that the name Stenar used in the USA?
Records from the USA and Canada can be sought and found that match the family in Norway, such as the full date of birth for Agnetta and her siblings. |
Edited by - JaneC on 11/02/2014 01:04:34 |
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Deloresew
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 11/02/2014 : 01:59:40
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| Johan Johnson is the father of Agnetta, Ingeborg, Andrew, Edward, and Steiner, grandfather of Josephine. His last name seem to be flexible. The children used the last name Stokke in North Dakota. |
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Looking for Johan Stokke - Agnetta Stokke
