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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 12/03/2014 : 17:14:51
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| I don't recall seeing that 1930 census posted? Or the name of the orphanage? Different institutions had different purposes and missions - for example, at least one place I know of in that area was a home for blind and disabled children. Not saying this is the case for Irving, just that a general discussion sometimes misses specific possibilities. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2014 : 17:16:58
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Here is the second Jacob and Rasmus. They may not be travelling together. Jacob is listed as a baker, travelling to Vermillion South Dakota. To a friend Lars Helgelsone Rasmus is a farm laborer travelling to: words unreadable by me??
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Jacob Jacabson
Arrival Date: 5 Apr 1907
Birth Date: abt 1888
Birth Location Other: hangesund
Age: 19
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Baltic
And Rasmus
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Rasmus Jacobsen
Arrival Date: 5 Apr 1907
Birth Date: abt 1890
Birth Location Other: haaland koporvik
Age: 17
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Baltic
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2014 : 17:23:19
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Originally posted by Roand83
His famely is from Egersund, beside Stavanger.
So you know the Norwegian family. Do you know his parents' names? Siblings? Full birth date? These can be clues to identifying Jacob's fate in the USA. Your focus is on the children, apparently? It's possible - maybe - that his death or whereabouts might help fill in their stories as well. In any case, it never hurts to throw a little information at a genealogy problem.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2014 : 18:01:32
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Originally posted by Roand83
From The Brooklyn Daily Eagle
23 March 1929
GAS VICTIM DIES Jacob Jacobson, 55, who lived in furnished room at 328 43d st., died today in; Kings County Hospital from accidental gas poisoning. He was found yesterday in his room, overcome by gas escaping from a Jet which had been accidentally left on
The above story certainly matches the death record for Jacob Jacobsen posted by lyndal40. If you order a copy of the original, it might state his parents' names or his birthplace or his next of kin, and if so, since you know these, you can rule this Jacob in or out.
Note that the gas victim is said to have been born about 1874. As a roomer in a boarding house? (which he seems to be?) he may not have been well known by the person giving the information to the police and/or newspaper.
Look again at this:
1925 NY state census
Assembly District 09, in Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Jacob Jacobson 45, roomer, born about 1880, in US 25 years [immigrated about 1900]
Same residence / or boarding house:
Evelyn Jacobson 13, born about 1912
Irving Jacobson 11, born about 1914
What is the street address? If it's different, shows nothing, but if it's the same as the gas death...at 328 43rd Street... |
Edited by - JaneC on 12/03/2014 18:12:35 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2014 : 18:34:35
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Arriving on the Saint Paul in 1902:
Manifest of Alien Immigrants, line 2
Jacob S. Jacobsen, age 24, Norwegian and last residence Norway, married [sic]
Departing Southampton on the Saint Paul
Arriving Ellis Island New York
19 April 1902
Destination Philadelphia, passage paid by ship owners
Whether ever before in USA: Yes, as a sailor
Whether going to join a relative: Holxxx, Philadelphia Norw [hard to read -- ship owner-company name?]
Somewhat similar to Jacob Jacobsen age 31 arriving 1907 on the SS California passage paid by ship owners - posted by jkmarler
I find it hard to imagine a man in a rooming house in Brooklyn in 1925 having a destination other than the East Coast when immigrating - but as we've all learned, one never knows. |
Edited by - JaneC on 13/03/2014 01:13:49 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 12/03/2014 : 22:43:47
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Originally posted by Roand83
I dont think its the right Irving either, so it looks like a dead end in that case. She left Norway in 1907 With her father Karl Johan Andersen.
He went back a couple of years later after working as a policeman in NY. Then he had a new wife and a kid.
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup_weif_5a.asp?src=%2Fcgi-bin%2Ftif2gif.exe%3FT%3D\\\\192.168.100.11\\images\\T715-1017\\T715-10170087.TIF%26S%3D.5&pID=102108020057&name=Inga%26nbsp%3BAndersen&doa=Oct 16%2C 1907&port=Christiansand&line=0002
So here's the extra note on Inga in the 1910 census:
"Antatt oppholdssted: Brooklyn"
Actually she didn't travel with her father Karl to America but came to him already in America. Inga traveled with her cousin Oleivine Nielsen, what happened to Oleivine?
Did Inga go back to Norway with her father and later return to America on her own? Here is a family in the 1910 Norwegian census that makes me ask the question:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036558000354 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 12/03/2014 : 23:14:21
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What is the street address? If it's different, shows nothing, but if it's the same as the gas death...at 328 43rd Street...
Address for the 1925 New York Census is 7th Avenue and 60 th Steet , Brooklyn NY. |
Edited by - AntonH on 12/03/2014 23:19:35 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2014 : 23:31:51
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> "Address for the 1925 New York Census is 7th Avenue and 60th Steet , Brooklyn NY" <
Thanks, so no direct link - but the addresses are not too far apart.
1910 Norway Census posted by jkmarler says
Inga Marie Andersen "Antatt oppholdssted: Brooklyn"
Andrea Andersen born 12.07.1906 "Fødested: Brooklyn" (everyone else born Norway)
Einar Andersen "Antatt oppholdssted: Canada"
Alexander Andersen "Antatt oppholdssted: New York"
So three members of this family are living abroad. |
Edited by - JaneC on 12/03/2014 23:39:54 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 12/03/2014 : 23:37:14
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Andrea's baptism is in the ELCA database:
#87 (unnamed church in Brooklyn)
Andrea 12 July 1906, bapt 14 Aug 1906
parents: Carl and Marie Andersen living at 198 18th St
faddernes: Alida Pedersen, P.O. Pedersen, Sofie Pedersen, C. Nilsen (?), Anton Nilsen.
That address looks familiar....
Here is the bride information for Carl J. Andersen at the italian gen group:
Last Name Given Name Month/Day Year CtfNum County Soundex ID
Nilsen Marie May 20 1905 3580 Kings N425 643446 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 12/03/2014 23:44:33 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/03/2014 : 00:28:21
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The baptism in the ELCA database for Ruth Evelyn Jacobsen says she was born 15 Aug 1912 and baptized 13 Mar 1913, parents are Jacob and Inga Jacobsen their address is 738 49th St. The faddernes for Ruth are Olevine Nelson and Greta Hansen.
Inga's marriage to Jacob Jacobsen occured on 23 Mar 1912 in Trinity Lutheran church. Jacob's age is 34 and birth place is Ekersund. Inga's age is 25 and birthplace is Sandefjord. The witnesses are A.E. Nelson and Mrs. A. E. Nelson.
Ruth E. Rice in the SSDI at genealogybank.com:
Ruth E. Rice: Social Security Death Index (SSDI) Death Record
Name: Ruth E. Rice
State of Issue: Massachusetts
Date of Birth: Thursday August 15, 1912
Date of Death: Sunday December 26, 2004
Est. Age at Death: 92 years, 4 months, 11 days
Confirmation: Verified
Last known residence:
City: East Longmeadow
County: Hampden
State: Massachusetts
ZIP Code: 01028
Part of The History of Longmeadow" dealing with East Longmeadow:
"The “East Village” section of Longmeadow split off from the “West Village” in 1894 to form the separate town now called East Longmeadow. At that time the population of East Longmeadow numbered about 1600, leaving what we now think of as the town of Longmeadow with a population of about 570. East Longmeadow by this time was an economically and ethnically diverse community with many businesses and industries, a busy railroad yard and a dozen operational red sandstone quarries. A map of Longmeadow from that year shows approximately 100 homes, most concentrated up and down Longmeadow Street." |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 13/03/2014 : 00:44:39
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Great, that confirms the candidate lyndal40 posted on page 1, who married Stephen Rice.
Stephen W Rice
Born September 3, 1904
Died January 17, 1995, East Longmeadow, Hampden, Massachusetts (from an impeccable source, People Search website) |
Edited by - JaneC on 13/03/2014 00:47:31 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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9301 Posts |
Posted - 13/03/2014 : 00:48:53
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Earlier from JaneC, quote:
I don't recall seeing that 1930 census posted?
The origianl poster, tried to post it earlier but used a link to Ancestry.com so no one saw it. I left off the thirty or so names on the list of residents.
1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Irven Jacobsen
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1915
Birthplace: New York
Race: White
Home in 1930: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Map of Home:
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Servant
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 13/03/2014 : 00:52:27
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Here is the family in the 1920 Cenus. I do not think that this has been posted.
1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Jacob Jacobsen
[Jacob Jacobson]
Age: 42
Birth Year: abt 1878
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1920: Brooklyn Assembly District 9, Kings, New York
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1902
[1907]
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Inga Jacobsen
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob Jacobsen 42
Inga Jacobsen
33
Evelyn Jacobsen 7
Iriny Jacobsen 5
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/03/2014 : 00:59:52
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Earlier I posted the 1925 New York Census. Here is the family in 1915, I can only assume that Rotell at 22 is actually Evelyn at 2?
New York, State Census, 1915
Name: Jacob Jacobson
Birth Year: abt 1878
Birth Place: Norway
Age: 37
Gender: Male
Residence Place: New York, Kings
Relationship: Head
Color or Race: White
Number of Years in US: 11
Assembly District: 09
House Number: 5304
Line Number: 33
Page Number: 04
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob Jacobson 37
Inga Jacobson 28
Rotell Jacobson 22
Irwin Jacobson 6/12 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/03/2014 : 01:00:13
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Earlier from JaneC, quote:
I don't recall seeing that 1930 census posted?
The origianl poster, tried to post it earlier but used a link to Ancestry.com so no one saw it. I left off the thirty or so names on the list of residents.
1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Irven Jacobsen
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1915
Birthplace: New York
Race: White
Home in 1930: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Map of Home:
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Servant
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
I'm rather curious to know the name of the institution... |
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Evelyn Jacobsen, born in 1915, Kings New York
