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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 13/03/2014 : 01:03:53
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Okay, great, thanks for the 1920 and 1930. Some informant (likely Jacob or Inga) on the 1920 census says Jacob immigrated 1902. The year in brackets [1907 ] has been suggested by an Ancestry.com user. This is the way suggested alternate information or suggested corrections appears on Ancestry.
As for Irven, he's listed as a servant? What kind of establishment is this? If he were living in an orphanage, as a resident, he should be listed as an "inmate" I would think.
I see lyndal40 added this while I posted:
NY state census 1915
New York, Kings (Assembly District 09)
Jacob Jacobson, 37, b abt 1878 Norway , in US 11 years [1904]
Inga Jacobson 28
Rotell Jacobson 22
Irwin Jacobson 6/12
Instructions to census takers 1915 NY state census:
"For children under one year of age, enumerators were told to “write the exact number of days of its age on June 1, 1915. For example, if the child was born on January 1, 1915, you would enter the age as ‘151 D’. (If a child is under one year of age and was born at some other place of abode than that in which its permanent residence is on June 1, 1915, enter in column 12 the city or village and state in which it was born; in column 1, street and street number."
I scanned the thread and see no birth record for Irwin. I read the record as saying he is six months old?
which would put him born about January 1915. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/03/2014 : 01:17:29
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Here is Stephen's obit:
STEPHEN W. RICE, 90
Worcester Telegram & Gazette (MA) - Wednesday, January 18, 1995
Deceased Name: STEPHEN W. RICE, 90
EAST LONGMEADOW - Stephen W. Rice, 90, of Village Green, formerly of Worcester, a former machine operator at Titeflex Corp. in Springfield, died yesterday in Mercy Hospital, Springfield.
He leaves his wife of 58 years, R. Evelyn (Jacobsen) Rice; a son, Stephen W. Rice Jr. of Woodbridge, Va.; a daughter, Marie-Ann Erbe of Meriden, Conn.; a brother, Benjamin Rice of Worcester; six grandchildren; and six great-grandchildren. He was born in Worcester, son of Roland and Bronislava (Gocdesky) Rice, and lived here since 1951.
Mr. Rice was a machine operator for 14 years at Titeflex Corp. in Springfield, retiring in 1969. He was a communicant of St. Michael's Church. He was a member of the East Longmeadow Senior Citizens and Golden Agers.
The funeral will be held Friday from Hafey East Longmeadow Chapels, 120 Shaker Road, with a Mass at 10 a.m. in St. Michael's Church, 128 Maple St. Burial will be in Hillcrest Park Cemetery, Springfield. Calling hours are 8:30 to 9:45 a.m. Friday in the funeral home. Memorial contributions may be made to St. Michael's Church, 128 Maple St., East Longmeadow 01028; or to St. Patrick's Church, 1900 Allen St., Springfield 01129. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/03/2014 : 01:22:51
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I'm rather curious to know the name of the institution...
Norwegians Childrens Home |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/03/2014 : 01:29:51
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Thanks lyndal40, definitely a children's institution. Maybe he had a work-live arrangement.
Stephen W Rice obit, leaves "a daughter, Marie-Ann Erbe of Meriden, Conn"
OBIT
"Bruce D. Erbe
MERIDEN -- Bruce D. Erbe, 57, ... husband of Marie Rice Erbe, died Friday evening, Jan. 24, 2003.... Born in Meriden, March 28, 1945... he had resided in Meriden his entire life..... Besides his wife, Marie, he is survived by.... Friends and relatives are invited to attend a graveside service with military honors ... State Veterans Cemetery, Bow Lane, Middletown"
See more on the link. Irvin is not mentioned.
http://www.genlookups.com/ct/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/341
Find-a-Grave memorial:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Erbe&GSfn=Bruce&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=65714536&df=all&
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/03/2014 : 01:35:08
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Originally posted by lyndal40
quote:
I'm rather curious to know the name of the institution...
Norwegians Childrens Home
Thought this was an interesting bit in a current (2008) biography of a man named Peter Latourette:
"Latourette was an orphan raised in the Norwegian Children’s Home in Dyker Heights, Brooklyn, and spent holidays and weekends with an aunt and uncle in Bay Ridge. “It was a nice place, better than a typical orphanage,” he says. “But early in life, I learned the value of a buck.” " |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/03/2014 : 01:59:31
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Might be Olevine Nielsen.
New York, State Census, 1925
Name: Olevine Nielsen
Birth Date: abt 1864
Birth Place: Norway
Age: 61
Gender: Female
Residence Place: Brooklyn, Kings
Relationship: Mother
Color or Race: White
Number of Years in US: 6/12
Assembly District: 01
House Number: 46
Line Number: 49
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrea Harum 36
Albert Harum 15
Olevine Nielsen 61
Per Jorgensen 14
Also find this in the record.Name:
Andrea Harum
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/03/2014 : 02:03:45
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I wonder if Olevine returned to Norway and died there.
Web: Norway Burial Index, DIS-Norge, 1700-2010
Name: Olevine Jensine Nilsen
Death Date: 27 Mar 1957
Burial Date: 5 Apr 1957
Burial Place: Klæbu, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway
Age: 91
Birth Date: 11 Dec 1865
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/03/2014 : 02:44:44
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Three trips from Ellis Island website -
jkmarler also earlier noted a trip for Olevine (with Inga)
1907, Not shipped**
Olevine J Nielsen, 20, single, b Norway, last residence Lillesand
father Nils Olsen, xxxx Lillesand
destination NY
traveling to sister Marie Andersen, 198 18th Street, Brooklyn, NY
place of birth: can't read it
SS Hellig Olav, departing Christians_nd, arrive NY 07 Sep 1907
**A line has been drawn through this passenger and note "Not Shipped."
1911
Olevine Nilsen, 24, single, b Norway
Birthplace: xxxx Lillesand
Last Residence: Brooklyn, U.S.A.
Whether ever before in USA: Yes, 1907-1911, Brooklyn
Destination: Brooklyn
Traveling to uncle P. O. Pedersen, 249 94th Street
Nearest relative in Norway: father Nils Olsen, xxx Lillesand
Arrival: Nov 29, 1911
Ship: United States
Port of Departure: Christiansand
Manifest Line Number: 9
1924
Olevine J. Nilsen, 58, Widowed, b Norway, housekeeper
Last Residence: Kongsberg, Norway
Nearest relative in Norway: daughter Barbara Hellberg, Hartsmansvej, Lysaker
Birthplace: Lillesand
Destination: Brooklyn, NY
Traveling to daughter Andrea Harum, 46 Garden Place, Brooklyn, NY
** handwritten, on a typewritten record: Medical certificate, senility (?)
Date of Arrival: Dec 23, 1924
Ship: Bergensfjord
Port of Departure: Kristiania, Norway
Manifest Line Number: 13
She could have returned to Norway again and died there;
or may have died in USA, likely Brooklyn, and buried in Norway.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/03/2014 : 04:01:19
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Originally posted by jkmarler
"Latourette was an orphan raised in the Norwegian Children’s Home in Dyker Heights, Brooklyn, and spent holidays and weekends with an aunt and uncle in Bay Ridge. “It was a nice place, better than a typical orphanage,” he says. “But early in life, I learned the value of a buck.” "
In 1925 the Jacobsens lived at 60th Steet and 7th Avenue, Brooklyn NY. This is not the Dyker Heights neighborhood, but it is seemingly nearby.
Norwegian Children's Home 1931
Dyker Heights neighborhood
84th Street and 13th Avenue
Brooklyn
photo in the archives of Brooklyn Public Library
More info here, says there were two buildings, photos of both included:
http://www.brooklynvisualheritage.org/norwegian-home-children
Here, a fabulous retrospective exhibit on the Norwegians of Brooklyn, NY; many settled in Dyker Heights and Bay Ridge.
Click on the blue photo caption to see enlargement.
http://niaresearchcenter.cdmhost.com/cdm/landingpage/collection/p3002coll2 |
Edited by - JaneC on 13/03/2014 15:02:50 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/03/2014 : 04:07:33
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Posted map with tiny pics but it has been deleted; later I may repost it. Map showed the Dyker Heights and Bay Ridge neighborhoods where many Norwegian immigrants settled, according to the history exhibit posted earlier. At one time Jacobsens lived just outside those areas (I checked a map marked with the street names).
Can't find Jacob at nearby Green-Wood Cemetery, where we've found other Norwegians buried, while searching in earlier threads.
http://www.green-wood.com/2010/burial-search/ |
Edited by - JaneC on 13/03/2014 15:04:45 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 13/03/2014 : 04:14:13
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Ron - at the outset you said the son might be named "Kåre Irwing Jacobsen."
Where did you read or hear the name Kåre associated with Irwin?
A candidate:
1940
New York, New York, New York
1 West 85th Street
Irving Jacobsen 27 born about 1913 New York, clothing store manager
Evelyn Jacobsen 24 born about 1916 NY
Joel Jacobsen
Mabel Arkin 44 b Mass, widowed, mother-in-law
Gertrude Pacik 22 b Austria, maid
California Death Index 1940-1997
Evelyn Jacobson [Evelyn Arkin]
Father: Arkin
Death: 1981 - Los Angeles
an Irwin H Jacobson died 1970 in Los Angeles
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Roand83
Starting member
Norway
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Posted - 13/03/2014 : 10:06:48
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A lot of questions here, but you guys really worked hard! :) Thanks!
This is what i know about the Norwegian famely of Jacob Jacobsen, in Egersund 1910. http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01036625001911
And in 1900
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=7&filnamn=f01116&gardpostnr=276&personpostnr=1601&merk=1601#ovre
Evelyn is the oldest, born about 1913 and Irving\Irven is born about 1915. About the name Kåre Irving, is just a name that we have heard about from older relatives who no longer is with us. So we cant check them out.
I think i postet a link that says that Inga Marie and Karl Johan went to NY together from Norway, but he met his new wife there and married, got one child and moved back to Norway.
What i know about Olevine is that she moved back to Norway, and that Andrea is Karl Johan first child with Valborg Marie Nilsdatter.
Is the hospital that Evelyn worked in 1930 close to the Norwegian Children's Home ? Or the same?
And the last question, im trying to find out what happend to both Evelyn and Irving and if there are somone over there that got som info about what happend 
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/03/2014 : 15:07:47
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I think the conclusion I'd draw is that your Evelyn = Ruth Evelyn Jacobsen who was born 15 Aug 1912 in Brooklyn, who married Stephen W. Rice, who had 2 children Marie and Stephen W. Rice, jr, who died in 2004.
But you could try to contact living members of the Rice family--it appears that both Marie (as Erbe) and Stephen W. Rice are still living. Stephen has 3 sons (as of 1988) named Christopher, James, Stephen--to ask if they know about their Norwegian ancestry. If, as I suspect they are, then you could also ask what became of Irving.
Ages in censuses for some are only "abouts" not quite exactly right in every instance. With Olevine being faddernes to Ruth, fellow traveler with Inga in 1907 is a thread that weaves in and out of this family and very hard to explain away. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/03/2014 : 15:24:26
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Thanks for explaining about Kåre. Umm, jkmarler post wasn't here when I wrote this. I'll leave it anyway in case it helps.
Here's what we think happened to Evelyn:
* 1912 * Ruth Evelyn Jacobsen was born 15 August 1912 and baptized 13 Mar 1913; parents Jacob and Inga Jacobsen living at 738 49th Street in Kings county, New York (Brooklyn). Faddernes were Olevine Nelson and Greta Hansen. The name of the church was not posted (but her parents married at Trinity Lutheran)
* 1915, 1920, 1925, 1930 * Records from the US census and New York state census have been posted
* 1936 * Ruth E Jacobsen married Stephen W Rice on 11 June 1936 in Kings county, New York, where the city of Brooklyn is located.
* 1940 * Evelyn and Stephen Rice lived at 137 Endicott Street in Worcester, Worcester, Massachusetts (1940 US census) His occupation was "greacer" (it's hard to read)
* Stephen Rice worked as a machine operator at Titeflex Corp. in Springfield, Massachusetts. He was a member of St. Michael's [Catholic?] Church.
* Ruth Evelyn and Stephen W Rice had at least two children, Stephen W Rice, junior, and Marie-Ann Rice.
* Marie-Ann Rice married Bruce Erbe (1945-2003); they were living in Meriden, Connecticut in 1995. She was living there when he died in 2003.
* 1995 * Ruth E Rice had six grandchildren and six great-grandchildren.
* 1995 * Stephen W Rice was born 03 September 1904 and died 17 January 1995 in East Longmeadow, Hampden, Massachusetts.
He is buried at Hillcrest Park Cemetery, Springfield, Hampden, Massachusetts.
* 2004 * Ruth E Rice died 26 December 2004, age 92 years, 4 months, 11 days. Her last residence was East Longmeadow, Hampden, Massachusetts. Her death record says she was born 15 August 1912. She may be buried at Hillcrest Park Cemetery, Springfield, Hampden, Massachusetts.
We have posted obituaries for Stephen W Rice and for Bruce Erbe. The obituaries tell about descendants and where they live. Probably you can use the internet to find them and contact. One way is through Facebook. Once you have found Ruth Evelyn's family, they can probably tell you about Irvin.
Bruce D Erbe obituary tells about his children with Marie-Ann Rice.
One daughter seems to be on Facebook with her first name+married name+Photography.
One daughter seems to be on Facebook as Kim+maiden name+married name.
http://www.genlookups.com/ct/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/341
Find-a-Grave Memorial to Stephen W Rice:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Rice&GSiman=1&GScid=91087&GRid=62393570& |
Edited by - JaneC on 13/03/2014 16:12:58 |
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