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DavidGunderson
Starting member
Australia
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 Posted - 28/06/2014 : 20:33:16
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Many thanks P. Hopkins from the USA for all that information. It's nice to know that a starting member in this community can benefit from the wisdom of a Norway Heritage Veteran.
Kind regards,
David |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 28/06/2014 : 22:43:45
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Originally posted by DavidGunderson
So in summary with all your wonderful help...Anne gave birth to:
Anders
Olaf/Ole
Stillborn Twin
Even
Jorgen
Always fun to stop by and read the research. But I'm a bit confused. Is the following correct, for children born to Anne?
Anders Gundersen born 01 May 1844
----------Anne and Knud get married 1845
Even Knudsen born 27 October 1846
Olaf Pedersen born 13 Sep 1847
Olaf's stillborn twin
Stener Knudsen born 29 October 1848
Jorgen Knudsen born 11 Aug 1852
from Ancestry.com
Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Eivind Knudsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 27 Oct 1846
Baptism Date: 8 nov 1846
Baptism Place: Seljord, Telemark, Norway
Father: Knud Evensen
Mother: Anne Stenersdr
See #119
From lyndal40:
"Here is a Steiner born in 1848, Father Knud Evendsen and mother Anne Steinersdatter, See number 109."
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051005061117.jpg
Census 1865 widower Knud with his mother and sons Even, Stener, and Jĝrgen.
Anders's father Gunder also has another child in 1844 (listed on an Ancestry.com family tree as Egeleiv Gunnarsen) with his wife Edel Tovsdatter? (No further info on this birth - just says born 1844 in Norway).
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DavidGunderson
Starting member
Australia
22 Posts |
Posted - 28/06/2014 : 22:59:04
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Thanks Jane...I find it all confusing after a while. Sometimes you think...does the research ever stop. Fortunately you and others in this community keep me passionate about my Norwegian heritage.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 28/06/2014 : 23:02:47
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I haven't been immersed in this, so I am just checking....
It's a little confusing because people seem to be having babies with partners they are not married to. Of course, it can happen. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 28/06/2014 : 23:49:06
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Anders Gundersen born Mai 1. 1844 was born out of wedloc, parents; Unmarried woman Anne Stenersdatter Bugten in Seljord and "gift Mand" married man Gunder Jĝrgensen Toe.
When Knud Evensen and Anne Stenersdatter married Dec. 5. 1845 Ane is rec. as Anne Stenersdatter Ĝverland (in Seljord) and that her father Stener was in America.
When Even Knudsen was born Oct. 27. 1846 Knud Evensen and Anne Stenersdatter lived on Aarhusmoen.
And Stener Knudsen born on Aarhusmoen Oct. 29. 1848.
It is confusing;
When Olaf Pedersen was born Sept. 13. 1847 Anne Stenersdatter Bugten is rec. as unmarried.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 29/06/2014 : 00:28:35
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| Would Anne be noted as unmarried for Olaf's birth meaning not married to Olaf's father? Because obviously she is married if it is the same Anne. And how does Anne know who the father is for sure? Well I guess that's a question the forum cannot answer. I am just surprised because I thought the child of a married woman would automatically be presumed to be her husband's child. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 29/06/2014 : 00:39:49
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This is how I read it.
Anne was not married to Olafs father or to anyone else.
There must have been two Anne Stenersdatter in Seljord at the same time??
If Anne was born Jan 13- 1819 and Stener Halvorsen Evensen em. to America before she married we know that he and Ane Hansdatter was her parents.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 29/06/2014 : 01:17:15
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I do not think that we have noted this birth earlier.
Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927 about Knudsen
Name: Knudsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 6 nov 1857
Baptism Place: Seljord, Telemark, Norway
Death Date: 6 nov 1857
Father: Knud Evensen
Mother: Anne Stenersdr
FHL Film Number: 278302
Reference ID: 2:1H384KN
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 29/06/2014 : 01:52:15
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 29/06/2014 : 01:52:42
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Okay. Norwegian Immigrants to the United States: A Biographical Directory, Volume I by Gerhard Naeseth pg 95 has a Stener Evensen Hadeland bapt 1795 (2nd Sunday after Trinity) Seljord who went to US in 1839 with 2nd wife Hĉge Jacobsdatter Lie who was baptized 1 Nov 1794, married 19 June 1830 and their son Guldmund Stenerson born 29 Dec 1833. They migrated to the Jefferson Prairie settlement in Wisconsin.
Stener is identified as the son of Even Raamundssen and Sidsel Augustinusdatter. Anne Hansdatter Lie, the first wife died 18 Feb 1829. Anne's and Stener's children are listed as Anne b. 13 Jan 1819, Even b. 26 Sept 1821, Hans b.25 Mar 1824 d.23 Jan 1825, Hans b. 10 June 1826. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 29/06/2014 : 01:59:29
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There must have been two Anne Stenersdatter in Seljord at the same time??
If Anne was born Jan 13- 1819 and Stener Halvorsen em. to America before she married we know that he and Ane Hansdatter was her parents.
Maybe, but this record for Ane born Jan 13, 1819 lists a different father.
Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927 about Ane Stenersdatter
Name: Ane Stenersdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 13 jan 1819
Baptism Date: 31 jan 1819
Baptism Place: Aamotsdal, Telemark, Norway
Father: Stener Evensen
Mother: Ane Hansdr
FHL Film Number: 127042
Reference ID: 2:T6CPX4 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 29/06/2014 : 02:27:32
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Born to one or more Anne Stenersdatter
Anders Gundersen May 1, 1844
Eivind Knutsen Oct 27, 1846
Olaf Pedersen Sep 13, 1847
Steiner Knutsen Oct 29, 1848
Unknown Knudsen Nov 6, 1857 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 29/06/2014 : 02:57:11
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Searching for a second An* Stenersdatter born 1819 +/- 2, none born Seljord except the one we know from Aamostdal. Two born in Saurherad which is close but not adjacent.
Name: Anne Stenersdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 26 des 1817 (26 Dec 1817)
Baptism Date: 4 jan 1818
Baptism Place: Sauherad, Telemark, Norway
Father: Stener Olsen
Mother: Gunnil Olsdr
Name: Anne Stenersdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 5 sep 1819
Baptism Date: 5 sep 1819
Baptism Place: Sauherad, Telemark, Norway
Father: Stener Giermunsen
Mother: Mari Halvorsdr |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 29/06/2014 : 02:57:42
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In the 2007 thread Kaare identified 2 Stener Evensen in 1801:
Stener Evensen Hedejord age 6 parents Even Raadmundsen and Sidsel Augustinsdtr
Stener Evenson Tios age 5 in Aamotsdal father Even Gudmundson.
The Original Poster, David's cousin, cited her Anne as born 03 Jan 1819 in Lie with father Stener Evensen but gave no source or rational, and had no more information at that time. Maybe David can supply the source. Maybe Anne, mother to Aners born 1844, ancestor to David, is daughter of Stener --?-- ( not Evenson). It seems hard to believe that:
1. Anne has a child Anders 1844
2. Marries Knud 1845
3. Has a child Evind at Aarhusmoen
4. Is caring for baby Evind while having a fling with Peder Olsen
5. Gives birth to Olaf on farm Bugt and names Peder as father
6. Gives birth at Aarhusmoen to Stener, Jorgen, and ?; father is Knud
7. Seems to have lived at Aarhusmoen and dies at Aarhusmoen
So as Kaare says, it is likely two similar Annes.
Just trying to summarize.
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Olaf b. 9/13/1847 in Seljord to Anne Stenerdr Bugt
