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AntonH
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 Posted - 29/06/2014 : 04:16:24
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Jane, here are the two records for the above on Ancestriy.
Name: Stener Evensen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 1 nov 1795
Baptism Place: Seljord, Telemark, Norway
Father: Even Raamundsen
Mother: Sidsel Augustinusdr
Name: Stener Evensen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 21 jun 1795
Baptism Place: Seljord, Telemark, Norway
Father: Even Guldmundsen
Mother: Kirsti Evensdr |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 29/06/2014 : 04:33:24
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When I put Stener Evensen in the search box for father, child born 1819 +/- 10, in Telemark, I get only one Stener Evensen married to Ane Hansdatter. He and Ane have two children, as already noted.
Name: Ane Stenersdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 13 jan 1819
Baptism Date: 31 jan 1819
Baptism Place: Aamotsdal, Telemark, Norway
Father: Stener Evensen
Mother: Ane Hansdr
Name: Even Stenersen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 26 sep 1821
Baptism Date: 30 okt 1821 (30 Oct 1821)
Baptism Place: Aamotsdal, Telemark, Norway
Father: Stener Evensen
Mother: Ane Hansdr |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 29/06/2014 : 04:37:44
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Originally posted by JaneC
It seems hard to believe that:
1. Anne has a child Anders 1844
2. Marries Knud 1845
3. Has a child Evind at Aarhusmoen
4. Is caring for baby Evind while having a fling with Peder Olsen
5. Gives birth to Olaf on farm Bugt and names Peder as father
6. Gives birth at Aarhusmoen to Stener, Jorgen, and ?; father is Knud
7. Seems to have lived at Aarhusmoen and dies at Aarhusmoen
So as Kaare says, it is likely two similar Annes.
Just trying to summarize.
Sometimes these issues can at least be a bit more clarified by 1 )studying the faddernes for each of the babies--repetition of names, same farm names, matching patronymics, etc. 2) finding which Annes may have lived to be confirmed 3) finding which Annes died or moved away or moved into a parish. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/06/2014 : 04:42:00
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The only marriage I could find for a Stener Evensen in Telmark that fits is this one.
Name: Stener Evensen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 7 des 1818 (7 Dec 1818)
Marriage Place: Aamotsdal, Telemark, Norway
Spouse: Ane Hansdr |
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AntonH
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AntonH
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 29/06/2014 : 05:11:11
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| Thanks both of you. Typing on phone, not near computer tonight. Lyndal40, I guess I am raising the question whether it is correct that father is Evensen. About baptism record for Olaf, Einar provided a transcription in 2007. No one jumps out as obvious relation. But yes those names could be leads and compared to other family records.And as you say Jackie the other Annes can be tracked. The forum tracked Anne S and Knud E. Only through that does it emerge that it's hard to swallow it's just one Anne. A mistaken identity would be easy to understand (if that's what happened). |
Edited by - JaneC on 29/06/2014 05:26:50 |
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jkmarler
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DavidGunderson
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Australia
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Posted - 29/06/2014 : 05:45:40
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So to summarize the facts for my own family tree...my great grandfather Anders Gunderson (01 May 1844) born illegitimately to Gunder Jorgensen Toe & Anne Stennersdatter is confirmed.
The Gunder Jorgensen Toe & Anders father/son relationship has been independently endorsed by Christopher Flaat & Roberta Stepan...with an abundance of new family members now identified in Minnesota. That was an exciting new discovery for the Australian descendants.
I am not sure that I am totally convinced regarding staking a claim on behalf of Anders to any potential half-siblings born to my Anne Stenersdatter.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/06/2014 : 05:55:49
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David, you may have to consult one of the five Bygdebøker written on the area. University of North Dakota has all five in their collection and the University of Minnesota has the first three.
Seljord — Arne G. Brekke Bygdebok Collection
Seljord
Fylke
Telemark
Includes
Flatdal
Åmotsdal
Author Title Year Call Number Type Notes
Flatin, T. Seljord, v. 1 1942 DL596.S5 F55 General
Flatin, T. Seljord, v. 2 1945 DL596.S5 F55 Farms Seljord parish & Flatdal parish (part)
Flatin, T. Seljord, v. 3 1954 DL596.S5 F55 Farms Flatdal parish (part) & Åmotsdal parish
Karlberg, O. & Dyrland Eidal, S. Seljord, v. 4 2003 DL596.S5 F55 People Seljord parish
Karlberg, O. & Dyrland Eidal, S. Seljord, v. 5 2003 DL596.S5 F55 People Flatdal & Åmotsdal parishes
I have used the services of the University of North Dakota by e-mail. successfully in the past. I will put together an e-mail tomorrow for you to Michael Swanson at the UND Library and see if he can investigate a little and maybe he can shed some light on the subject. |
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DavidGunderson
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Posted - 29/06/2014 : 06:07:27
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| Thanks Anton (lyndal40) for your kind offer...it's greatly appreciated. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 29/06/2014 : 10:38:19
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Annes father was Stener Evensen, "gift Mand" married Man Stener Evensen leaving farm Hadland in Seljord March 13. 1839, see right page #13
Stener Evensen was among the first em. from Telemark.
In 1839 two big parties left for America from dep. port Drammen, Buskerud county.
One party from Numedal in Buskerud "The Nattestad party", one party from Tinn in Telemark, "The Luraas party".
Stener must most likely have traveled with the Telemark party on 40 50 persons (He left Seljord alone) who had to take another ship from Drammen to Gothenborg Sweden because the ship in Drammen was crowded.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/06/2014 : 17:21:15
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Thanks Anton (lyndal40) for your kind offer...it's greatly appreciated.
I will send an e-mail to Michael Swanson, Assistant Archivest, at the Special Collections Library, University of North Dakota. He has helped me obtain information from the Bygdebøk in their collection many times in the past. It my be a few days and a few back and forth e-mails before he can figure out what it is that you need, but we will get there. |
Edited by - AntonH on 29/06/2014 17:21:37 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/06/2014 : 17:47:12
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I have a candiate but the ink is blurred.
This Anne Stenersd? died July 2. 1857 on Aarhusmoen, age 30? is incorrect, age 36? is more correct, see #78
Kåre, I went back and looked again at the death record for Anne Stenersdatter earlier on page 2, I think that record is the same one as the one I found in a different data set. I think if you look again you will come to the conclusion that record states she died October 22, 1857, same as the date in my record. So thus we have found only one death record for Anne Sternersdatter but in two places. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/06/2014 : 19:55:13
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Originally posted by lyndal40
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I have a candiate but the ink is blurred.
This Anne Stenersd? died July 2. 1857 on Aarhusmoen, age 30? is incorrect, age 36? is more correct, see #78
Kåre, I went back and looked again at the death record for Anne Stenersdatter earlier on page 2, I think that record is the same one as the one I found in a different data set. I think if you look again you will come to the conclusion that record states she died October 22, 1857, same as the date in my record. So thus we have found only one death record for Anne Sternersdatter but in two places.
My fault.
Anne died Oct. 22. 1857.
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Olaf b. 9/13/1847 in Seljord to Anne Stenerdr Bugt
