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AntonH
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 Posted - 01/07/2014 : 01:24:41
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Some initial informtion from the Seljord Bydgebok by Tov Flatin.
Århusmoen, subfarm of Århus.
Harald Råmundson Trongkeiv
Eivind Haraldson Spartufs under Øvland married Anne Knutsdatter Strandstoul
Had these children
Knut døyde 1838 at 18yrs old
Anne f 1824
Knut g 1m. Anne Steinarsdotter Øvland g 2 m. Såve Evindsdatter
Halvor
Ingeborg
Knut Eivindson and Anne had the following children
Eivind
Steinar
Jøren g.m. Guro Torgiersdotter Tvingelid
With his second wife Knut had a son Eivind
In the bygdebok and in the section on Åhusmoen there is no mentin of a Anders or Olaf or any other children belonging to this Anne Steinersdatter.
It is very unlikely that your Anne Sternersdatter, mother of Anders and Olaf is connected to the Århusmoen family.
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Edited by - AntonH on 01/07/2014 01:26:00 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 02:04:58
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On the related subject of what happened to Olaf b. 9/13/1847 in Seljord to Anne Stenerdr Bugt. The only Ole I could find in the 1865 Census that fit well was Ole Pedersen, father Peder Olson born 1846 and living in Skien. who in 1885 married Hansine Jørgensdatter. Here is some information on Hansine.
Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927 about Hansine Jorgensen
Name: Hansine Jorgensen
[Hansine Hansen]
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 11 feb 1834
Baptism Place: , Skien, Telemark, Norway
Father: Jorgen Hansen
Mother: Kirstine Jensdr
see number 20
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7894&idx_id=7894&uid=ny&idx_side=-61 |
Edited by - AntonH on 01/07/2014 02:09:04 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 02:18:30
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Ole Pedersen married Hansine in 1885, Hansine was 51 at that time.
Name: Hansine Jorgensen
[Hansine Hanssen]
Gender: Female
Age: 51
Birth Date: 1834
Marriage Date: 18 okt 1885 (18 Oct 1885)
Marriage Place: Skien,Telemark,Norway
Father: Jorgen Hanssen
Spouse: Ole Pedersen
In the Digitalarkivet record Ole is listed as having been born in 1846 in Gjerpen. See number 27.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3556&idx_id=3556&uid=ny&idx_side=-247
A problem with trying to tie this Ole Pedersen with the Olaf Pedersen son of Anne Sternersdatter is there is also another Olle Pedersen born in Gjerpen who could just as well fit this Ole mariried to Hansine.
Name: Ole Pedersen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 6 jan 1846
Baptism Date: 1 jun 1846
Baptism Place: Gjerpen, Telemark, Norway
Father: Peder Olsen
Mother: Ingeborg Kirstine Jensdr
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AntonH
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jkmarler
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DavidGunderson
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 10:34:13
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Thanks everyone for your kindness and care in helping me trace Ander's elusive half-siblings. I have been very successful in locating his fathers family in Minnesota with the added bonus of a Civil War connection. Anne his mother has provided an interesting challenge which you all have embraced on my behalf.
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Kåarto
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 14:51:25
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Challenging with two Anne Stenersdatter.
Apropo Minnesota.
Anne Stenersdatter who married Knud Evensen 1845, her father Stener Evensen em. 1839, he was born ca 1800.
A good candidate link
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jkmarler
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 20:19:33
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Hmm Here is the death record farmer's daughter Anne Stenersdatter on Hægtvedt, age 19. If she is the mother of Anders Gunderson, she cannot be the mother of Olaf Pederson, #19:
Source information: Telemark county, Kviteseid, Parish register (official) nr. I 6 (1836-1858), Death and burial records 1846, page 486.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1381&idx_id=1381&uid=ny&idx_side=-497
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Kåarto
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Posted - 01/07/2014 : 22:11:16
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Perhaps we are back to Anne Stenersdatter b. Jan. 13. 1819 on farm Lie, parents Stener Evensen Lie/ Hadland who em. 1839 and Ane Hansdatter?
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jkmarler
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Posted - 02/07/2014 : 01:12:25
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quote:
Originally posted by Kåarto
Perhaps we are back to Anne Stenersdatter b. Jan. 13. 1819 on farm Lie, parents Stener Evensen Lie/ Hadland who em. 1839 and Ane Hansdatter?
Kåre
It would be logical to think that there were two seperate pregnancies of the same woman named Anne Stenersdatter.
Well, both Anne Stenersdatter 1819 & Anne Stenersdatter 1829 could each be the mother of Anders Gunderson but 1819 is fatally flawed to be the mother of Olaf Pederson, since she is married by then, and Anne S 1829 is off the table entirely since she's passed on. And it's pretty certain the pastor would have been all over it in the records if Anne 1819, as a married woman had a baby, not her husband's.
I wonder who was Anne 1829's guardian after her father died?
Perhaps the pastor counted each twin as an indiscretion and there is another Anne Stenersdatter from someplace else who was likely dead by 1865?
So looking at the faddernes, now. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 02/07/2014 : 01:33:42
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So these are the names from Anders' record,:
Maria Ketelsdatter Svarvaren,
Niels Ketelsen Svarvaren,
Tarje Skoland,
Maren Nilsdatter Bugten
Gunild Nilsdatter Bugten.
Ole Knudsen Strandstøl
Looking at familysearch records in the Norway Baptisms records finds a couple named Nils / Niels Ketelsen / Kittilsen and Marie Ketelsdatter / Kittilsdatter who had these children in Seljord:
Gunhild Nilsdatter b. 22 Nov 1819, bapt 28 Jan 1820
Hæge Nilsdatter b. 13 Sept 1821, bapt 14 Oct 1821
Margit Nilsdatter b. 7 Apr 1827
Margith Nilsdatter b. 26 Feb 1829
Ingeborg Nilsdatter b. 12 Aug 1831 bapt 31 May 1832
Nils, Marie and daughter Ingeborg are still alive, living in Seljord in 1865 census and on Svarveren which is a husman's plass.
The names in Olaf's record:
Gunild Hunsaas,
Dordi Smeland,
Helge Svarvaren,
Guttorm Smeland,
Halvor Smaadalene.
Jacob Terjesen, Aase.
Also in familysearch there is a couple Guttorm Guttormson and Dordi Olsdtr who had these children in Seljord:
Guro Guttormsdatter b. 3 Sep 1844
Aaste Guttormsdatter b. 6 Feb 1846
stillborn Guttormson b. 2 Jan 1848
Christoffer Guttormson b. 2 Nov 1849
Anne Guttormsdatter b. 21 Feb 1852
Kari Guttormsdatter b. 18 Jan 1857
There is also a birth recorded of a Jakob Tarjeson on 4 Apr 1812 in Seljord. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 03/07/2014 00:56:49 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 02/07/2014 : 06:28:29
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Anne Stenersdatter Bugten as fadderness
Ketil #109:
Source information: Telemark county, Seljord, Parish register (official) nr. I 11 (1831-1849), Birth and baptism records 1844, page 107.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1401&idx_id=1401&uid=ny&idx_side=-109
The actual baptism was in 1843, so the Anne Stenersdatter who moved to Seljord in 1844 (confused I meant 1849) whatever her birth year was, is unlikely to be the right one. Interesting that Ketil is the son of a Peder Olson and Liv Ketilsdatter.
The Digitalarkivet has a transcribed census from 1815 for Seljord with linked images:
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=47&filnamn=Ft08281815&fjernsok=true
#23 marriage of Peder Olson age 24 born on Lillestøl living on Bugten and Liv Ketilsdatter 35 born in (Mo?)
Source information: Telemark county, Seljord, Parish register (official) nr. I 11 (1831-1849), Marriage records 1843, page 269.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1401&idx_id=1401&uid=ny&idx_side=-274 |
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Roberta
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Posted - 03/07/2014 : 02:20:21
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I have scanned pages from Seljord IV, Ættesoge for Hovudsoknet, Samla og skip til av, Odd karlberg og Sigrun Dryland, Eidal, Seljord Commune. On a p. 86 as a footnote to Gunnar Jorgensson Bjorge under information regarding the To Farm (in a portion of the book labeled Manheimstrondi), it reads: "Gunnar har sonen Anders, 1844 - med Anne Steinarsdtr. Anders til Lie i Mo 1872/Australia 1873."
These pages were emailed to me by another family member who had this edition of the Seljord Bygdebok. Yes, Gunnar was married at the time and did have a child by his wife the same year. He and his family along with assorted members of his wife's family emigrated to the U.S. in 1851.
Since I am descended from a sister of Gunnar's wife who emigrated with the group, I had not researched the Australian line. I found it hard to confirm Anne's information when David asked, so I suggested that David ask for help from the Norway Heritage Community. I want to thank you all for your help with this. I have always found this group to be the greatest in helping find answers. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 03/07/2014 : 16:30:05
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Thanks Roberta for the informaton. I have looked at a few Bygedebøker at the University of Minnesota, but have been unable to find a secton on the Bugten farm in any of them. I wonder if anyone has any information on where and in what Bygdebok we might find a section on Bugten. I was able to look at the section on the Århusmoen farm and I would doubt that the Anne Steinersdatter Øvland who married Knut Eivindsen is the mother of either Olaf or Anders. I did not find any mention in that secton of this Anne having any other children than the three mentioned earlier, Eivind,, Steinar and Jøren. I have looked at these books.
Seljord volumes 1-3 by Tov Flatin
Solum volumes 1and 2 by T Gjone
Frysdal volumes 1-3 by S. Marvik
The U of M does not have the two volumes on Seljord by Kalberg and Dryland. |
Edited by - AntonH on 03/07/2014 16:33:03 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 03/07/2014 : 17:04:00
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Bugten was listed in one of the censuses as Bugten under Igiltvedt if that helps. In the 1815 Seljord census, it is called Bugta and is next to Igiltvedt.
In the 1865 census there are 2 places called Bugten in Seljord, one in Seljord proper and the other in Aamotsdal/Fladdal and each are husmansplass.
Re widower Peder Olson Gjersand the father of Olaf, although I didn't keep the links to it, there was a 70 years old Peder Olson Gjersand who died in the late 1840s or early 1850s in Seljord and there was a man identified as widower Peder Olson Bugten age 49 who left Seljord in 1850 for a little place under a farm named Rye or Rue in Hitterdal.
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