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Kåarto
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 Posted - 03/07/2014 : 18:10:00
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Todays Igletveit.
Bugt/Bugten mans Bay is located at Lake Seljord (Seljordsvatnet)
Enter this map, spell Igletveit Seljord, enter Igletveit (Bruk (gardsbruk)), zoom in once and watch Bugti (Bugt/Bugten) at the shores of the lake.
As you see, Bugten is not cultivated today
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Edited by - Kåarto on 03/07/2014 19:25:04 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 03/07/2014 : 19:58:55
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Very interesting geography. I see Svarveren is a feature marked on the west side of the lake along hiway 156.
Here are all the people whose first name starts with "Ste" in the transcription of the 1815 census in Seljord, so it also picked up Stenulf etc. Although the relationships aren't mentioned on every entry, I found no people whose names started with "An" in any household in which the "Ste" appeared to be the head of household. So have bolded the names & ages and underlined the farm. As in the case of Stener Evenson, the father of Anne Stenersdatter who married Knud Evenson, there are "potential" fathers in Seljord:
Nr. Sokn Gard/Plass Stand Førenamn Etternamn Stilling Alder Lenke
128 127 Sillejord Rønningen Husmann 12 Steinar Gunnesen Ægt. 61 2
166 164 Sillejord Midbøen Gårdbruker 17 Stener Torbjørns. Ungk 21 3
227 224 Sillejord Lii Stener Tordsen 15 4
239 236 Sillejord Lii Stener Evensen Tiener 20 4
255252 Sillejord Igletvet Stener Evensen 19 4
848 843 Sillejord Øvrebøe Steinul Torsen Dagl. 28 12
10101004 Sillejord Wefald Gårdbruker 84 Stener Jensen Ægtef. 44 14
1317 1310 Sillejord Østetved Stener Gundersen 15 18
15351536 Fladahl Bøle Gårdbruker 19 Steinul Sondressen Ægtef. 37 21
1719 1721 Fladahl Skegi Stener (no patronymic given)20 24
1730 1732 Fladahl Moglestuen Stener 3 24
1768 1770 Fladahl Svalestuen Steinul Nicoulsen Dagl. 24 24
1797 1792 Fladahl Haugstuen Steinar Børn 2 25
1916 1885 Fladahl Nottedahl Stener Børn 10 27
1983 1952 Fladahl Gjusaas Stenuld Børn 25 28
19971966 Fladahl Aase Stener Børn 13 28
2014 1982 Fladahl Aase Stener Born 16 28
2526 2489 Omerssdahl Gibøn Stener Knuds. Børn 3 uger Uklart hvor barn hører hjemme 34-2
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AntonH
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Posted - 03/07/2014 : 23:20:48
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Following up on Jackies suggestion, I looked at the Seljord Bygdebok again. Under Igletveit is the sub-farm Bukti which is my guess as to Bugten. No direct ahha's are found. Very few Steners or Steiners were found in Ingletveit. However one was found. Tor Steinarson Lid (Nordbygdi ) married to Gunhild Gudmundsdotter sister of Eivind Manheim. Tor Steinarson died in 1802 but he had a large number of children with Gunhild, including one Stener Thorson born Jan 13, 1800. The trail in the Seljord Bygdebok peters out then. However using the Ancestry list of baptisms I find for Stener a wife and daughter, however not named Anne. More digging is needed here before we know if I can connect Tor Seinarson, Stener Thorson to Anne Stennersdatter. Here is the baptism for Gunhild.
Name: Gunnild Stenersdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 29 jul 1833
Baptism Date: 18 aug 1833
Baptism Place: Seljord, Telemark, Norway
Father: Stener Thorsen
Mother: Daardie Torjuesdr |
Edited by - AntonH on 03/07/2014 23:22:04 |
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AntonH
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jkmarler
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Posted - 04/07/2014 : 04:31:49
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According to Norway baptisms database at familysearch Stener Tordson and Daardi Torjusdatter had these children in Seljord:
Saave b. 20 Nov 1830
Gunhild b. 29 July 1833, bapt. 18 Aug 1833
In putting Stener Torbjornson as a father, finds 3 children born to him 2 in neighboring parish of Kviteseid along with a mother named Kari Stenersdatter and children including an Anne:
Anne Steners. b. 25 Sept 1830, bapt 3 Oct 1830
Johannes Stenerson b. 20 Aug 1835, bapt 23 Aug 1835 in Brunkeberg
Stener Stenerson b. 30 Sept 1838 bapt 29 Oct 1838 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 04/07/2014 : 04:46:08
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Okay, here is a possible in Bø parish just south of Seljord, #75 on the girl's side of the page, an illegitimate birth, Anne to Stener Kittilsen and (Alett is how her name was indexed at familysearch but on the actual baptism it appears more like Maria)Nielsdtr:
Source information: Telemark county, Bø, Parish register copy nr. 1 (1815-1831), Birth and baptism records 1824, page 122-123.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7918&idx_id=7918&uid=ny&idx_side=-64
Her confirmation, #45:
Source information: Telemark county, Bø, Parish register (official) nr. 7 (1831-1848), Confirmation records 1838, page 214.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1350&idx_id=1350&uid=ny&idx_side=-244
On her confirmation record her mother's given name is Mari, farm name is a bit clearer as Kaasa augustin lill ?and it appears there is more of a description of Stener Kittilsen as unconfirmed boy?--perhaps someone else would look and read.
I don't want to "jinx" her but she has got legs, age 19 moving from Bø to Silleiord in 1843, #11:
Source information: Telemark county, Bø, Parish register (official) nr. 7 (1831-1848), Migration records 1843, page 376.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1350&idx_id=1350&uid=ny&idx_side=-408
This Anne's sister Asloug #14:
Source information: Telemark county, Bø, Parish register copy nr. 1 (1815-1831), Birth and baptism records 1827, page 172-173.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7918&idx_id=7918&uid=ny&idx_side=-89
Here is a possible Stener Kittilson, Grivi age 21 leaving Bø in 1828, the second #1 on the right hand page:
Source information: Telemark county, Bø, Parish register copy nr. 1 (1815-1831), Emigration records 1828, page 574-575.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7918&idx_id=7918&uid=ny&idx_side=-225
#58 last entry left hand page: Stener Kittilson son of Kittil Stenerson Vadmyr under Folkestad and Anne Halvorsdatter are the parents
Source information: Telemark county, Bø, Parish register (official) nr. 5 (1785-1815), Chronological list 1807, page 205-206.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7917&idx_id=7917&uid=ny&idx_side=-105
Kittil Stenerson in 1801 census on øvre Folkestad in Boe:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01058310001247
Kittil Stenerson m Anne Halvorsdatter near #5 in far right column on left hand page:
Source information: Telemark county, Bø, Parish register (official) nr. 5 (1785-1815), Chronological list 1804, page 170-171.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7917&idx_id=7917&uid=ny&idx_side=-88 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 05/07/2014 02:43:32 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 04/07/2014 : 13:48:26
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Originally posted by Roberta
I have scanned pages from Seljord IV, Ættesoge for Hovudsoknet, Samla og skip til av, Odd karlberg og Sigrun Dryland, Eidal, Seljord Commune. On a p. 86 as a footnote to Gunnar Jorgensson Bjorge under information regarding the To Farm (in a portion of the book labeled Manheimstrondi), it reads: "Gunnar har sonen Anders, 1844 - med Anne Steinarsdtr. Anders til Lie i Mo 1872/Australia 1873."
"Gunnar (Gunder) Jørgensen has a son Anders 1844 with Anne Steinarsdatter.
Anders Gundersen to Lie in Mo 1872, em. to Australia1873, place of living 1873 was Seljord.
Reg the farmname Lie: Anne Stenersdatter was born on Lie in Seljord 1819 and when her parents Stener Evensen and Ane Hansdatter married Dec. 7. 1818 they bort were from Lie in Seljord
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JaneC
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Posted - 04/07/2014 : 15:09:28
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Hi Kaare, Sad to say, the Anne Stenersdatter who was born on Lie in 1819 does not belong to David. She is the Anne who married Knud Evensen and had at least four children with him and lived on Aarhusmoen. The research of the forum has shown she cannot be "our" Anne.
It's such a long thread, I hope you don't mind me making that small summary, for my own benefit (as a reader) if nothing else.
Warm best wishes, Jane |
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AntonH
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Posted - 04/07/2014 : 16:17:08
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Or we could at least say that the Anne born on Lie in 1819 is very unlikely to be the mother of Anders and/or Olaf. Maybe not inmpossible but seems unlikely. If you look at all the children Anne wife of Knud had it seems hard to beleiver she could also have squezzed in one or more other children in the same time frame, or even have wanted to! Olaf is the outlier,
Name Birth Date Months
Anders 1-May 1844
2 yrs 7 mos
Eivind 27-Oct 1846
10 mos 2 weeks
Olaf 13-Sep 1847
1y 1 mon
Stener 29-Oct 1848
3yrs 11 mons
Jorgen 11-Oct 1852
One of the problems with my findings from the Bygdebok,is that I have a Stener but no Anne. At least Jackie has an Annie for us to focus on. |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 04/07/2014 : 16:17:35
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Hi Jane
I have missed that.
Thanks for clearing up.
Happy July 4. to America
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Kåarto
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Posted - 04/07/2014 : 16:45:50
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Anne Stenersdatter born in Bø b. Nov. 8. 1923.
Mother; maid Ane Alett Nilsdatter Kaasa (Ministerialbok 1815-31) Father; as Stener Kittilsen Kleven.
Godparents;
Ane Dokka
Helge Wollene
Torkild Vollene
Halvor Mogene
Gjermund Broveien
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DavidGunderson
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Posted - 04/07/2014 : 18:54:54
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Originally posted by JaneC
Hi Kaare, Sad to say, the Anne Stenersdatter who was born on Lie in 1819 does not belong to David. She is the Anne who married Knud Evensen and had at least four children with him and lived on Aarhusmoen. The research of the forum has shown she cannot be "our" Anne.
It's such a long thread, I hope you don't mind me making that small summary, for my own benefit (as a reader) if nothing else.
Warm best wishes, Jane
Thanks everyone for your research and time but for my own summary and family tree...what minimum information can I safely place in the box for mother of Anders.
It seems I started with one Anne nicely confirmed through my cousin's research (or so we believed) and have ended up with no Anne's  |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 04/07/2014 : 20:12:09
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Sorry that the cookie has crumbled oddly. But you wouldn't want to claim a heritage that is provably not yours. Better to have one yet to explore. The one name you can rely on is this: Anne Stenersdatter, Bugten. That name appears in 3 records, one as the faddernes (godparent) of a child whose parents lived on Bugten, and the two births of Anders in 1844 and Olaf in 1847. Whoever she is, wherever she is she will always be Anne Stenersdatter.
Earlier Jane challenged to find a connection between Anne Stenersdatter Bugten and the faddernes of Anders. There may be one in the Kittilsons on Svarveren and the 2 women on Bugten. The 2 on Svarvaren may be or likely be the parents of one of the women on Bugten. But Maren Nilsdatter Bugten is a bit of an unknown quantity.
There may be a connection between the faddernes of each of the 2 boys since Svarvaren is a farm name associated with each baptism and there is a Gunhild (albeit with unknown or different patronymic and a different address) in each. (When I looked through the faddernes 1843-1847 for Anne Stenersdatter, there was a couple Gunhild and Svend Huntaas who were mentioned several times as faddernes for other folks in that period, maybe the same Gunhild Huntaas in 1847?)
So what has to be built is a circumstantial case since only 3 records do not a lifetime make. Overwhelming pursuit is what will make the circumstances appear. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 04/07/2014 : 20:18:12
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Or we could at least say that the Anne born on Lie in 1819 is very unlikely to be the mother of Anders and/or Olaf. Maybe not inmpossible but seems unlikely. If you look at all the children Anne wife of Knud had it seems hard to beleiver she could also have squezzed in one or more other children in the same time frame, or even have wanted to! Olaf is the outlier,
Name Birth Date Months
Anders 1-May 1844
2 yrs 7 mos
Eivind 27-Oct 1846
10 mos 2 weeks
Olaf 13-Sep 1847
1y 1 mon
Stener 29-Oct 1848
3yrs 11 mons
Jorgen 11-Oct 1852
One of the problems with my findings from the Bygdebok,is that I have a Stener but no Anne. At least Jackie has an Annie for us to focus on.
The other problem with that candidate is that she sheds a husband to have an illegitimate child and then immediately takes up with the same husband after--not impossible but exceedingly unlikely. And then she would not be a pige (unmarried woman) in the record but a fraskilt (divorced) woman a circumstance not noted. |
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DavidGunderson
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Posted - 04/07/2014 : 21:18:47
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Oslo June 20. 1873.
Anders em. from Oslo With wife Anne Halvorsdatter and a boy Lars Larsen 6 and a son Gunder ca 3 mths old on ship St. Olav, dest. Australia via Hamburg Germany link
I had hoped to see from what farm they left in Siljord, but it seem like their em. rec. is missing (not unusual)
I have a photo of St. Olav if you do not already have seen it.
Kåre
So it would seem that Olaf was not a good choice of potential half sibling...but Anders voyaged to Australia with his wife Aase and her son Lars Larsen aged 6. So even though Lars died during the voyage to Australia along with baby Gunder...there is a new line to trace through Lars Larsen born 8 Dec 1867. Any advice or guidance in finding more about my great grandmother Aase's liaison with Lar's father? |
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Olaf b. 9/13/1847 in Seljord to Anne Stenerdr Bugt
