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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 17/07/2014 : 03:29:09
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Here is the one Christ / Christian Anderson marriage in Polk county in MOMS to a Mary:
POLK G/524 02/17/1898 ANDERSON, CHRIST OLSON, MARY N |
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aethos
Medium member
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Posted - 17/07/2014 : 06:06:56
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Yep. Mary was Christ's wife. Looking for Christ's parents (Christopher and Karen) who came with them around 1870. Mary came seperately with her family. I've got more information on them though I might start looking for some missing details. My father remembers their family losing one of theirs on the voyage over and I don't think we have that recorded.
I guess the big question at this point is if they could have come from Kongsvinger/Eidskog. Interestingly I can find a record for a Christopher Anderson leaving to Chicago but the record pointed out earlier has Karen Andersdr departing for Quebec. There was talk of Chicago when my father was very young. Never anything of Quebec though. |
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aethos
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Posted - 17/07/2014 : 07:07:09
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I've dug deeper and so far I've found this couple in Eidskogen have had at least 6 children. One Andreas was born 1852 and must have died as they had another boy in 1857 who they named Andreas. It's a year off the birth date I have for Andrew but almost precisely by one year. Christian's birthdate is nearly spot on. They had another boy, Mentz Christophersen born 13 Jan 1867. He does not appear with them on the emigration record.
If we have in fact found them (and I'm really starting to think so) then the question are:
* Who is the 7th child?
* Which one other than Andrew and Christ was surviving in 1900?
* What happened to the other 4?
* Did they go to Quebec or did they go to Chicago?
Hopefully I'll have more time to dig into it later tomorrow as well. You've all been terribly helpful. Thank you!
P.S. On a side note I have not been able to find "Torveig" so I'm guessing that was a transcription error and this is really Karelius... otherwise there is a mystery child appearing and Karelius must have gone with Christopher when he left or some other scenario. |
Edited by - aethos on 17/07/2014 07:09:06 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 17/07/2014 : 08:27:58
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| Stating your destination as Quebec or Chicago is not necessarily mutually exclusive. Quebec may only have been the destination of the ship and your ultimate destination was something else. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 17/07/2014 : 23:09:39
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Children I have found are:
Andreas Oct 16, 1852
Berthea Mar 22, 1855
Andreas Mar 5, 1857
Karlius Feb 14, 1860
Christian July 26, 1863
Mentz Jan 13, 1867
A possible is this Anne Marie born Jan 4, 1861, although the birth is quite close to Karlius and the father uses the name Christian and not Christopher which all of the others have as father.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8867&idx_id=8867&uid=ny&idx_side=-227 See number 4. |
Edited by - AntonH on 17/07/2014 23:16:25 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 17/07/2014 : 23:12:02
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Here is the Ancestry record for Anne Marie. However further digging casts some doubt on this find. Below is a second Anne Maria Christiansdatter born a year earlier, but died same time. Perhaps the couple then had another child and gave her the same name.
Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927 about Anne Maria Christiansdatter
Name: Anne Maria Christiansdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 4 jan 1861
Baptism Date: 20 jan 1861
Baptism Place: Vinger, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Christian Anderssen
Mother: Karen Andersdr
FHL Film Number: 307234
Reference ID: 40
Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927 about Anne Marie Christiansdatter
Name: Anne Marie Christiansdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 16 jan 1860
Baptism Place: Vinger, Hedmark, Norway
Death Date: 16 jan 1860
Father: Christian Andersen
Mother: Karen Andersdr
FHL Film Number: 307234
Reference ID: 2340 |
Edited by - AntonH on 17/07/2014 23:26:09 |
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aethos
Medium member
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Posted - 18/07/2014 : 00:39:55
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I agree... Anne Maria doesn't seem likely. It's possible that the 7th child was born in Canada or the United States or maybe even over water? Karen should have been about 42 when she arrived. When people traveled through Quebec did they ever register in Canada possibly? Wondering if I should be checking there for some possible records around 1870?
Also was that a common path to go from Quebec to Chicago? If so that would make a lot of sense over the story about records being destroyed in the Chicago fire. Sadly there doesn't appear to be an Illinois census in 1875. |
Edited by - aethos on 18/07/2014 01:05:35 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 18/07/2014 : 01:18:37
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Yes, going from Quebec to Chicago was a very common itinerary. The arrivals of ships in Canada are recorded from 1865 & up but you'd have to use the indexes available through Ancestry to save time to come up with a possible on a ship. Otherwise it would be a very slow process going page by page through arrivals lists around the approximate time estimated from the leaving in Norway.
Not sure which records you think might be missing for your folks in Chicago. |
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aethos
Medium member
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Posted - 18/07/2014 : 02:06:01
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I'll check their website and see if I can find any arrivals there. Right now we've started to build a bridge from two sides of history with hopes (fingers crossed) they meet in the middle. The angles look good.
However there's a gap between this family leaving Norway and my ancestors arriving in Polk County, MN. Three children remain unaccounted for in the US and worse, one was alive in 1900 and we don't know who they were. Basically we could have some fairly close cousins and neither side has ever found each other. There could be something incredible out there to find. My father knew Andrew and Christ but they had a brother or a sister that lived and we have no idea.
Thank you everyone for all your help so far. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2014 : 03:24:34
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Following up on Jackies find of Karen Andersdatter leaving Oslo in June has not turned up a definitive manifest of arrival. However since you appear to have access to Ancestry.com you might take a look at this arrival. Arrival date is a little late for folks leaving in early June. It is a little confusing but it appears to have the following. B is listed as a female the other three as males.
B Christophersen age 12
Anders age 10
Torveig age 8
Chrisitan age 4
Above those four names is the word Tramp?
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Anders Christopherson
Gender: Male
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Date of Arrival: 8 Aug 1870
Vessel: Kong Sverre
Search Ship Database:
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec
Port of Departure: Christiania, Norway
Roll: C-4526 |
Edited by - AntonH on 18/07/2014 03:27:28 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2014 : 03:33:12
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Ancestry record for B Christopherson. No sign of an adult with them.
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: B Christopherson
Gender: Female
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Date of Arrival: 8 Aug 1870
Vessel: Kong Sverre
Search Ship Database:
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec
Port of Departure: Christiania, Norway
Roll: C-4526 |
Edited by - AntonH on 18/07/2014 03:34:19 |
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AntonH
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2014 : 15:36:32
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Is this the death you have for Christopher? In this record his parents' names are (of course) Andres and mother Betsy Hauser...
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FD83-4V2
The son Christ A Bly death in 1940 in Bemidji, Minnesota:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FD7Z-XRK
The local paper is the Bemidji Pioneer and is still in publication today. Some issues of the Pioneer are mounted at the Chronicling America website. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 18/07/2014 15:45:02 |
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Who burns a census
