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Kåarto
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 Posted - 27/07/2014 : 17:34:40
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Per and Peder are two independent names, but it happened they were mixed as example by authors og Bygdebooks.
Per married June 29. 1755 as Peder Bergersen Store Fulu Dragon and Kirsti Hansdatter Stomperud, see first chapter more than half way down, heading D. 29:Jun.
Copulered Peder Bergersen Stor Fulu Dragon......link
Dragon means Peder was a soldier in the Cavalry trained to dismont and fight on the ground.
Pers son - Persen
Pers daughter - Persdatter- PersDr. - Persdr.
Peders son - Pedersen
Peders daughter - Pedersdatter
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aethos
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Posted - 27/07/2014 : 20:49:06
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Kristoffer Andersen the carpenter then the red herring I thought he was? Seems that would be the case.
I am not sure what you mean here, you might expand the question so we know what and who you are talking about. If you are talking about the Christoffer Andrsen Forkerud who is listed as a Snedker (snekker) or carpenter in the Emmigration record, leaving in 1872, then no, I think that he is the same person as the one listed in the 1865 Norwegian Census and married to Karen Andrersdatter.
So if someone lives on a farm it did not necessarily mean that they were a farmer? Since he was a farmer when he came to Minnesota I assumed he would have been a farmer before he came.
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The fact that he left two years after his wife and children is a little unusual I admit, but couild mean that some relative or relatives had already travelled before them and prepared the way.
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Andreas f. før vielsen u. Østbøl 16-10 1852
Berthea f. ca. 1854
Andreas f. Forkerundenga 5-3 1857
Karelius f. Forkerudlia 14-2 1860
Kristian f. Forkerudenga 26-7 1863
Mentz f. Tukun 13-1 1867
Snekker, Kristoffer Andersen Forkerud, 48 år, utvangdret til New York. Usikkert om resten familien fulgte med.
So all of these Forkerud* farm names are where they were born and even though he was on another farm after this... ok you know what, I'm showing my ignorance here.
I need to read up on how these farms and social structures were put together because I'm just confusing myself and probably wasting your time asking questions until I know. :P
BTW I would love to see the pages you mentioned, If you want to email them my email address is sir @t mangeek com. (Obfuscated to hide it from bots!)
Thank you for all of this and hopefully I can ask an intelligent question in the next few days. |
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aethos
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Posted - 27/07/2014 : 20:58:45
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Per and Peder are two independent names, but it happened they were mixed as example by authors og Bygdebooks.
Per married June 29. 1755 as Peder Bergersen Store Fulu Dragon and Kirsti Hansdatter Stomperud, see first chapter more than half way down, heading D. 29:Jun.
Copulered Peder Bergersen Stor Fulu Dragon......link
Dragon means Peder was a soldier in the Cavalry trained to dismont and fight on the ground.
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Interesting. We'd call them dragoons. So would you them assume that if the daughter is written as "Pedersdatter" and the father's name is written "Per Hanssen" or something like that, then the father's name was really Peder Hanssen?
I just ask because the bygdebok lists Per Hansen and Per Bergersen but both of their children have the surname Pedersen and Pedersdatter on their marriage records.
Also if I can figure out how to make use of the bygdeboken myself I'd like to keep from confusing myself right off the bat. (More than I will inevitably anyway!)
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Kåarto
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Posted - 27/07/2014 : 22:00:42
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Per Bergersen and Peder Bergersen is the same person.
He is called Peder when he married 1775 and Peder in the 1801 census.
As I read it its the author of the Bygdebok that calls him Per.
The same happens in Sauherad in Telemark where every Ole by the Author of Sauherad Bygdebok consistently are called Olav.
Widower Peder Bergersen married again in Strøm Dec.13. 1810 widow Sigrid Embretsdatter
"Enkemand" Widower Peder Bergersen Storfulu..........see on top right chapterlink
Peder died March 15. 1831 92 years and 6 mths old as;
Peder Bergersen Storfulu
He was bapt. Peder Bergersen Fullu Oct. 27. 1748 in Strøm. Sør-Odal, father Berger Fullu.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 28/07/2014 : 00:26:36
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Fulu (Falu) is a very old farm named after the river Falu
Excavatings is taken place there.
Fulu was split in two farms 1050, Lille (Little) Fulu and Store (Big) Fulu.
ca 1300 the farm was owned by the crown.
Copy of "Vidisse" Document dated Mai 25. 1397
August 31. 1306 King Håkon V Magnusson (1270-1319) donated several farms to his Chapel Maria (St. Mary) Church in Oslo.
In Falu (Falu) he donated the value of 4 Markebol (old land device/measurement)
See under;
"Brevtekst" (fra den trykte utgaven) line 6
..........j Odal Falu fiughura marka bool...In Odal Falu four Markebol link
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aethos
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Posted - 10/09/2014 : 04:10:38
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Hey all... apologies for disappearing for a while. My wife and I have been working to get a house ready for sale and my life has been a bit upside down but I am getting some time now to sit down with all of this information from the Bydgebok and what Kare has written above about Store Fulu. It's incredibly interesting. I also took some time to read up about how land was provisioned which is very different from the way adopted in America.
BTW, what's a Stomperud? Also I assume a Bruker was someone who claimed/owned a Bruk? I guess today it means something very different. "User" or "Consumer"?
Anton, I have to say these Bydgeboken pages you sent over are awesome. Makes me wish I could speak Norwegian. (Closest I come is always saying Nort Dakota instead of North Dakota...) However I did plug it all into google translate to take a read.
You guys have lit up my dad again. He felt like he had reached a dead end and would never know more so I have to say this means a lot more than just a blank in a document. Thank you all! |
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