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aethos
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 Posted - 25/07/2014 : 17:39:50
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Sorry for the lack of replies. I've been out of town. So these records show the farms from Christopher's parents (Anders and Berte) and for Christopher and his wife Karen, correct? And Christopher had a sister named Anne?
I'm blown away but what you all have found here and really surprised by all the resources one wouldn't know were out there.
On the note about the graves, we recently lost a relative, my "aunt" Naomi. My father will be travelling up for the funeral. While he is up there he intends to visit the family graves and will also check to see if he can find inscriptions for Karen and Paul, He's also going to see if they can swing by Douglas Co and do some research there hoping that they might have something that didn't make it to the MInnesota Historical Society. (Pre 1900.)
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AntonH
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Posted - 26/07/2014 : 17:23:45
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Sorry for the lack of replies. I've been out of town. So these records show the farms from Christopher's parents (Anders and Berte) and for Christopher and his wife Karen, correct? And Christopher had a sister named Anne?
Yes Christopher Andersen was born on Store Fulu and married Karen Andersdatter and for the 1865 Norwegian Census was living on the farm Tukunengen. Here is information on Christopher when he was living with his family on the Store Fulu farm from the bygdebok. The sub farm is called Fulurøniningen.
Bygdebok Sør-Odal Vol I
Fulurønningen gnr. 3 bnr. 8
Anders Pedersen fra Store-Fulu f 1789 g. 1815 m. Berte Pedersd. fra Fulurønningen f. 1791. ble eie i 1811.
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Peder f. 1816
Kjersti f 1820-26
Hans f. 1823
Christopher f. 1826
Martin f 1829
Karen f.. 1832
Anne f. 1835
Anders solgte fr Fululykkja i 1840 og samme året resten av garden for 580 dlr. Kjøøper var datter til Amund Tostensen på Vormsund.
More to follow
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AntonH
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Kåarto
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Posted - 26/07/2014 : 18:08:42
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Originally posted by lyndal40
From the Eidskog Bygdebok, Volume 5
Farm is Tukunenga
Ved folktellinga i 1865 stod Tukunenga oppført under Forkerud og det var husmannen Kristoffer Andersen som bodde der.
Brukere
Kristoffer Andersen f. Strøm, g.m. Karen Andersdatter f. Strøm Vinger ca. 1833.
Barn
Andreas f. før vielsen u. Østbøl 16-10 1852
Berthea f. ca. 1854
Andreas f. Forkerundenga 5-3 1857
Karelius f. Forkerudlia 14-2 1860
Kristian f. Forkerudenga 26-7 1863
Mentz f. Tukun 13-1 1867
Snekker, Kristoffer Andersen Forkerud, 48 år, utvangdret til New York. Usikkert om resten familien fulgte med.
Carpenter Kristoffer Andersen Forkerud 48, married, left Eidskog Oct. 3. 1872, dep. Oslo on ship Hero, dest. New York.
Karen Andersdatter 43 married em from Eidskog with 4 children, Berte 12, Anders 10, Torveig 8 and Kristian 4 June 8. 1870, dest Quebec.
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aethos
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Posted - 26/07/2014 : 20:36:45
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I saw that Kristoffer as well in one of my searches but I had written him off since he left after Karen. That seemed unusual. Was I mistaken?
I should start reading up on these bygdebok. Are they available to the public? I imagine they're in Norwegian?
I found this but maybe I'll have to start learning Norwegian. http://books.google.com/books?id=6OonAQAAMAAJ&dq=Eidskog%20bygdebok&source=gbs_similarbooks
How would I go about researching death records in Norway? I'd like to sort out what happened to Karelius (Torveig?) and Mentz. Was this a vital record that was maintained anywhere? |
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AntonH
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Posted - 26/07/2014 : 22:24:16
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The ancestors of Anders Pedersen born 1789 and married to Berte Pedersdatter are also listed in the Sør-Odal bygdebok volume 1.
The parents are
Per Hansen 1744-1825 g 1768 m Mette Andersd. fr Oppi 1750-1841. They had seven children including Anders.
Barn
Ingrid f 1769
Eli 1771
Eli f 1775
Anne f 1777
Berte f 1782
Hans 1785-1812
Anders f 1789 f. 1815 Berte Persd. Fulurønningen.
The father of Per Hansen as well as the rest of the family of wife and children, total of 11 including Per
Hans Persen 1720-97 ble 1743 g. m. Ingrid Kristoffersd. fra Vesle-Fulu 1721-97
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Per f 1744 g 1768 m Mette Andersd. Oppi
Guri f 1745
Dorte g 1746
Dorte f og d 1748
Kristoffer 1749-52
Nils 1752-55
Rangdi 1754
Kristoffer f 1756
Eli f 1758
Rangdi 1761-63
Hans 1763-70
All listed under the farm Store-Fulu gnr. 3 bnr. 1
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AntonH
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Posted - 26/07/2014 : 22:38:26
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The ancestors of the wife of Anders Pederse, Berte Pedesdtr. Fulurønningen are also listed in the Sør-Odal bydebok volume 1.
The parents of Berte are.
Per Bergersen 1748-1831 ble g 1775 Kirsti Hansd. fra Stoperud 1749-1809.
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Tore 1775+1881
Anne 1777
Hans f 1780
Marte f ca 1782
Tore f 1785
Berte f 1791 g 1815 m Anders Persen til Fulurønnngen.
Parents of Per Bergersen and children are
Berger Persen 1722-97 ble g 1744 Anne Kristoffersd. fra Vesle-Fulu 1727-1810
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Rangdi 1745
Gui 1746
Per f 1748 tok over en del av garden
Kristoffer f 1750
Rønnaug f 1752
Marte f 1754
Nils f 1756
Anne 1758-1835
Lars 1760
Kari 1761
Lars f 1764
Gunner f 1766
Berte 1771-1774
Anne og Berger hadde 14 barn og av dem vokste 12 opp.
I have left out much of the ancillary information such as the wives and husbands of the children not your direct ancestors.
The above families are listed under Store Fulu løpenr. 280 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 26/07/2014 : 23:07:34
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Your other ancestor of interest was Karen Andersdatter wife of Christoffer Andersen. Her history and her ancestors are found in the bygdebok
Vinger Bygdebok Gards og Slekts Historie Bind I by Eyvind Lillevold.
The Parents of Karen are listed under the farm Nystellet. They are
Anders Mattisen Nystellet f 1805 d 23-3 1910 g. 1826 Kari Andesdatter Ladderud f 1807 d. 29-1 1862.
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Maren 25-1 1826 to 30-7 1849
Karen Anersdatter 1-11 1827 g. 1853 Kristoffer Andersen Fulurønningen, Sør-Odal
Martin 25-2 1829 to 25-8 1902
Anders 3-4 1831 to 16-3 1919
Hans 18-6 1833
Olea 16-7 1835
Kristian 17-5 1838 to 13-10 1836
Ingeborg 15-5 1840
Ole 1842
Karelius 1845 to 2-8 1877
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AntonH
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Posted - 26/07/2014 : 23:16:46
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Parents of Anders Mattisen Nystellet are also given in the Vinger Bygdebok along with some information on Nystellet gnr. 7 bnr. 15. I have all of this informaton scanned and can e-mail it to you if you are interested and yes it is in Norwegian but a good online dictionary will go a long way toward helping you read it.
Parents of Anders Mattisen are
Mattis Anders f. i Sverige (ie Sweden). omkr. 1749 d. 12-8 1824 g. som enkemann m. Karen Matea Pedersdatter f omkr. 1759 d 16-2 1830
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Kari 1795
Peder 1797
Anders 1805
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AntonH
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Posted - 26/07/2014 : 23:25:32
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The parents of the wife of Anders Mattisen Nystellet who was named Kari Andersdatter b 1807 are also listed in the Vinger Bygdegok under the farm Ladderud. Her parents are
Anders Hansen f. omkr 1770 d. 8-4 1847 g. m. Marit Johannesdatter 1772 d. 29-4 1839. They had ten children including Kari.
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Hans
Johannes 1799
Inger 1802
Anders 1804
Ole 1806-1807
Ole 1807-1809
Kari Andersdatter 1807 g 1826 Anders Mattisen Nystellet 1806
Erik 1810
Ole 1812
Marte 1815
That concludes the information that I have from these two Bygdebøker.
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aethos
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Posted - 27/07/2014 : 07:13:00
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That is remarkable. Honestly... just remarkable. Now I understand where some of the names I see are coming from. People get them from these bygdeboker. Did you have to go to the UofM or UND libraries to look into them? Also as I read up it seems like these are written histories of an area written sometime in the last 100-200 years, correct? Trying to understand the resource. Learn to fish and all that.
Thank you! So I have a lot to write down here... couple questions I still had though beyond wondering about these books, is Kristoffer Andersen the carpenter then the red herring I thought he was? Seems that would be the case.
Also are there any sort of Norwegian death records anywhere?
Kåre, Anton and Jackie, you are each awesome!
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aethos
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Posted - 27/07/2014 : 07:25:18
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Originally posted by lyndal40
The ancestors of Anders Pedersen born 1789 and married to Berte Pedersdatter are also listed in the Sør-Odal bygdebok volume 1.
The parents are
Per Hansen 1744-1825 g 1768 m Mette Andersd. fr Oppi 1750-1841. They had seven children including Anders.
Barn
Anders f 1789 f. 1815 Berte Persd. Fulurønningen.
Quick question to add... I looked and saw that Per was short (or a variant) of/for Peder. So did they take the last name Pedersen/Pedersdatter though their father was named Per?
This will become very relevant as I have a lot of family members with the name Per! In fact my wife's maiden name is Pearson. :P
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/07/2014 : 16:28:32
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Did you have to go to the UofM or UND libraries to look into them? Also as I read up it seems like these are written histories of an area written sometime in the last 100-200 years, correct? Trying to understand the resource.
Both the libraries at U of M and UND were used. Some of the bygdebøker are old, these are not. Eidskog Bygdebok was published in 1996. Vinger Bygdebok in 1972 and Sør Odal Bygdebok in 1971. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/07/2014 : 16:53:21
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Also are there any sort of Norwegian death records anywhere?
I have always found death records to be the most difficult to find. There are no easy to use search sites that I have found. There are some search sites but I have never found them easy to use. Also unlike baptism and marriage and even confirmation the year of a persons death is extremely hard to guess. Digitalarkivet has death records just as they do for baptism and marriage but no search function for them. As you can see from above that most people listed in the bygdeøker have at least a birth year listed for them and many times a marriage year. Rarely do they have a death year and even rarer a death date. However the Vinger Bygdebok did have a large number of death dates includig day and month. For example for Mattis Andersen the date is given as 12-8 1824. Thus for this person you can go to Digitalarkivet, Hedmark, Vinger 1814-1825 and click on the Døde og begravde secton and go to Aug 12, 1824.
See number 54, oddly enough here below number 55. He died at age 75.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9131&idx_id=9131&uid=ny&idx_side=-144
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/07/2014 : 17:25:36
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Kristoffer Andersen the carpenter then the red herring I thought he was? Seems that would be the case.
I am not sure what you mean here, you might expand the question so we know what and who you are talking about. If you are talking about the Christoffer Andrsen Forkerud who is listed as a Snedker (snekker) or carpenter in the Emmigration record, leaving in 1872, then no, I think that he is the same person as the one listed in the 1865 Norwegian Census and married to Karen Andrersdatter.
Look at these two again.
Emmigration Record.
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/gen/vis/8/pe00000000922456
1865 Norwegian Cenus
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038038008696
The fact that he left two years after his wife and children is a little unusual I admit, but couild mean that some relative or relatives had already travelled before them and prepared the way. |
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