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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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 Posted - 12/08/2014 : 19:41:43
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Nils Amundsen (Ommundsen) was from Birkrem/ Bjerkreim
I believe his parents were Ommund Nilsen and Elin Enoksdatter (Olsdatter)
Nils was confirmated Oct. 5. 1851 age 14; Parents; Ommund Nilsen and Elin Enoksdatter farm Lillesvele #10
Bjerkreim Church from 1835 link
Ommund and Eli were widower and widow from farm Lille Svele when they married April 8. 1836
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Edited by - Kċarto on 14/08/2014 18:31:40 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 12/08/2014 : 20:05:04
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So far, digital searching the Ancestry index isn't bringing up marriage of Nils and Christiane.
Family tree online calls wife of man who seems to be same person "Eli Olsdatter Kydland" (and another wife, Gunvor Rasmusdatter) here
Family Tree lists brother Ole b 1844 at Lille Svela and brother Anders b 10 Nov 1847 Lille Svela.
Ommund in 1865
Bachelor Ommund Nilsen of Lille Svele marries Ingeborg Aadnesdatter in 1835
Widower Ommund Nilsen of Lille Svele marries widow Eli Olsdatter in 1836
Nils vaccination (small pox) - birth place given as Sandbĉksletten
Possible Omund birth from Ancestry (jumping the gun here, sorry)
Name: Omund Nilsen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 29 sep 1811
Baptism Place: , Bjerkreim, Rogaland, Norway
Father: Niels Omundsen
Mother: Anne Asbiornsdr
FHL Film Number: 126118
Same Ommund? birth of a sister for Niels, Ingeborg, born 29 May 1840 |
Edited by - JaneC on 12/08/2014 21:05:59 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 12/08/2014 : 23:18:20
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Lille (Little) Svele is an old farm mentioned already in a document July 13. 1303 in Bergen town where Arne on Ask announces that he to Hr. (Mr) S/oe/biĝrn (Sĉbjĝrn) Helgesen sold the two farms Ask and Lille Svele in Ryfylke (Ryfylke is a district in Rogaland county) link
The main part is written in a modernized version of 1300 Norwegian and is difficult to understand.
All old documents often starts with "Ollum monnum pĉim sem detta bref sea......" (Alle menn som ser dette brev: 2014 Norweigain) Every man who sees this letter.............
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Edited by - Kċarto on 12/08/2014 23:40:22 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 12/08/2014 : 23:46:32
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Lille Svele is located to the river Ogna.
Svele (Svela) means a good Place for Salomon Fishing.
The river Ogna link
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/08/2014 : 00:08:32
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Nils Ommundsens bapt. record seems to be forgotten (by the priest) not unusual. He was born ca August 20. 1837, the origin record tells he was 1/4 of a year when he was vaccinated Nov. 22.
The origin of the wedding record for Ommund Nilsen and Eli Olsdatter on April 8. 1836 tells that both the groom and the brides marriages are disolved by the spouses`death. Acc. the certificate from the Magistrate both probates are reported and almost finished.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/08/2014 : 01:01:58
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| Interesting. And mother Eli Enoksdatter in the confirmation record is a mistake? Should be Olsdatter... |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/08/2014 : 13:05:52
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Yes, I`m pretty sure Enoksdatter is a misspelling.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/08/2014 : 15:49:23
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| Thanks. A Rootsweb family tree for Niels Amundsen b 1837 styles his name as Niels Ommundsen Svele Li and his parents as Ommund Nielsson Svele b 1811 and Eli Olsdatter Bjerkreim b 1803. The tree creator has surname Svele - a Norwegian cousin for Julie, maybe? The tree lists a brother Anders for Niels. Born 1847, he is shown as having a son Enok Olai! So maybe Eli's father is an Enok Olai who is called by Olai. If so, that could explain the use of both patronymics to describe her. Just a theory. |
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Julie Amundsen
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 13/08/2014 : 16:48:57
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Thank you. Was it common for people to change their names from something like Ommundsen to Amundsen back in those days? I noticed this on some of the posts about Nils Amundsen.
Also I am aware that when people traveled to the US they would change their names but I was under the impression that they shortened them instead of completely changing them altogether.
I'll go to the ancestry tree to see what's there. Now, I would just love to have a story about who these people were! Why were families so secretive and quiet about their pasts or lives? It makes me think I should start making a diary of my life for those future generations.
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Hello Julie, yes in the way that we went about hunting down your ancestors the results can be a little confusing. However I think the family line from you to your family in Norway is fairly clear.
Julie
Faher David Amundsen born in Stoughton Wisconsin died in Petaluma California
Father Albert Amundsen born in Chicago Illinois died in Wisconsin
Father Einar Amudnsen born in Norway died in Illinois wife Tomina Larsdatter
All well documented above and probably known by you,
Father of Einar is
Nils Amundsen
Birth 1837 in Bjerkreim, Rogaland, Norway
Mother is
Christiane (Janna) Elisabeth Juuhl
Birth 1843 in Brattholmen, Fjell, Hordaland, Norway
Death 1905 in Kopervik, Rogaland, Norway
The ancestors of Nils Amundsen are currently a mystery however the ancestors of Christiane Elisabeth Juuhl are well know and well covered on the internet. One of the best Famly Trees for this famly is on Ancestry.com which I think you may have access to since there are two trees on there that seem to belong to either you or a relative. If you have access to Ancestry go to the Family Tree section and type in the name of Christiane Juuhl and go to the tree owned by halsku. There you will find your family down to your great-grandfather Einar Amudnsen. You can then trace the Juuhl family back to the early 1600's in Norway.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/08/2014 : 16:49:38
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Maybe a good theory Jane, Another Family Tree on Geni.com has the mother named Eli Olsdatter Kydland and her father is named as Ole Gulegsen Kydland. However they do have a son
Anders Ommundsen Svele
Birth: November 10, 1847
Lille Svela, Bjerkreim, Rogaland, Norway
who does have a son named
Enok Olai Svela
Birth: May 29, 1871
Gjerdesjĝen, Etne, Hordaland, Norway
However this tree does not include Niels, complicated eh
http://www.geni.com/people/Eli-Kydland/6000000017198176579?through=6000000016373820634 |
Edited by - AntonH on 13/08/2014 17:07:08 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/08/2014 : 16:58:47
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Thank you. Was it common for people to change their names from something like Ommundsen to Amundsen back in those days? I noticed this on some of the posts about Nils Amundsen.
Well the people probably did not think of it as a name change. The names were written down in some record, mostly church records by the parish priest who determined the spelling of the name by what he heard and how he would spell that particlular name. For example my name Anton could have been and was spelled at least three different ways. As Anton, Aanon, and Ċnon. So one persons Ammund was anothers Ommund and probably not very different sounding. Complicates the genealogy a little but we are going back somethimes 400 years. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 13/08/2014 : 18:33:22
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Yes, Julie, as Anton says, and as was mentioned earlier in this thread I think?, Ommund is a spelling variation of Ammund. On my children's family tree is an Ċmund who in USA records is found as Oddmund, Amon, Ammon, Aamon, etc. Norwegian record keepers didn't have a monopoly on variations in the way a name is presented. Actually, standardized spelling is a relatively modern concept.
Every time an American starts to research Norwegian roots, the same naming questions arise again and again, yet by the time you continue on a bit with your search you will get comfortable with traditional Norwegian naming. Lots of info is available online about the traditions, for example, here
Niels Ommundsen Svele ancestry here
Niels leaves for Stavanger, age 17. See #13 on the right hand page:
Rogaland fylke, Helleland, Bjerkreim i Helleland, Ministerialbok nr. A 6.2 (1834-1863), Inn- og utflyttede 1853, side 393.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051208030441.jpg
Needed is his marriage record. |
Edited by - JaneC on 13/08/2014 18:51:12 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/08/2014 : 18:47:39
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Originally posted by Julie Amundsen
Thank you. Was it common for people to change their names from something like Ommundsen to Amundsen back in those days?
There were no rules for how a name was spelled and often the "same" name changed from municipality to municipality.
Ommundsen in Bjerkreim could easily change to Amund in Kopervik, Karmĝy where Nils married.
Omund /Ommund and Amund is pronunced quite similar.
The priest wrote down the name how he heard it pronunced.
It is probably just a coincidence that your name is not Julie Ommundsen 
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/08/2014 : 18:56:06
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Originally posted by KċartoIt is probably just a coincidence that your name is not Julie Ommundsen
Kċre
True! Einar was the first known immigrant in Julie's family - as we cannot locate his father Niels thus far. As far as Einar's name in the USA, he used all the names given to him at his Norwegian christening - at least one (or more?) of the records show him as Einar W J Amundsen. (W is equivalent to V -- W stood for Waldemar/Valdemar). In other words, the name carried over from Norway, intact, thanks to him.
Many Norwegian immigrants chose their patronymic name as a permanent surname in the USA. (Think Johnson, Pedersen, Larsen)  |
Edited by - JaneC on 13/08/2014 18:57:43 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/08/2014 : 20:02:06
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The vaccination record from Nov. 22. 1837 that tells that Nils was 1/4, 3 mths. old, see #15
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Edited by - Kċarto on 13/08/2014 20:02:50 |
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Help Finding Albert Einar Amundsen from Norway
