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tkoller
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Posted - 04/04/2015 :  21:58:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hard to say if she wrote home. When his father died they had not heard from him in 25 years. She had a brother Mads on his father's probate was absent. It was stated that they had not heard from him in 10 years and the last information was that he stayed in Brooklyn. The strange thing is that by the 1910 census, he stayed in Oslo. There must have been something strange in the family.

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jkmarler
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Posted - 05/04/2015 :  02:39:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I checked for a Jenny Inayle in the 1900 census but didn't find such a name. There is, however a Jenny Quayle b. 1877 mother of a John Quayle b. about 1899 in Ishpeming, Michigan. Here is their marriage record:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11929-160765-55?cc=1452395

When you look at the "Qu" of Quayle it's easy to see how it might be interpreted as "In"


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jkmarler
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Posted - 08/04/2015 :  19:00:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tkoller

Hard to say if she wrote home. When his father died they had not heard from him in 25 years. She had a brother Mads on his father's probate was absent. It was stated that they had not heard from him in 10 years and the last information was that he stayed in Brooklyn. The strange thing is that by the 1910 census, he stayed in Oslo. There must have been something strange in the family.



When did Mads come to US?
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tkoller
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Posted - 13/04/2015 :  08:06:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mads Christian Jørstad arrived Ellis Island 16. of May 1903 on SS Island. He was born 8. Mars 1079 in Drammen Norway. Married to Anna Kathinka Gulhaugen Who never left Norway. However at census 1910 hi was with his family in Oslo.

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jkmarler
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Posted - 13/04/2015 :  14:09:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, we didn't get lucky and that he was going to see his sister or cousin. The person at his destination was a "friend" N.M. Nilsen, 401 West in New York. A Julius Braun 28, joiner, further up the page is going to his brother-in-law Nils M. Nilsen at 401 West St, New York. Perhaps they traveled together?
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jkmarler
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Posted - 15/04/2015 :  13:36:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is information about previously mentioned files and how to obtain copies. You might want to consider these longs shots for some slightly possible information about the family of person listed. There will be expenses involved. The Jennie Johnson file would be considered an extreme long shot and may or may not be worth the expense of getting since the name Jennie Johnson is so common. Information to the right of the names is the volume number and page number, date of death or action. In the homocide file Peter O Johnson is named there as the other person involved:

Cook County Coroner's Inquest Record Index, 1872–1911
Compiled by the Illinois Regional Archives Depository System, Northeastern Illinois University

The Cook County Coroner's Inquest Record Index was compiled by Michelle Adams and Milan Jovcic, interns for the Illinois Regional Archives Depository at Northeastern Illinois University in Chicago. The 74,160 records in the database were extracted from the Cook County Coroner's Inquest Records.
The inquests included in this index cover the period from December 1872 to November 1911. The volumes for the period from October 1879 to July 1880 (668 inquests) and from May 1888 to October 1888 (720 inquests) are missing.
The Cook County Office of the Medical Examiner does not have any inquest records prior to December 1872. Records after November 1911 are in the custody of the Office of the Medical Examiner.
Coroner's Duties
The statutes that set forth the coroner's chief duty and describe the record of inquests that he was to keep changed little during the time span covered by these records.
Every coroner, whenever, and as soon as he knows, or is informed that the dead body of any person is found, or lying within his county, supposed to have come to his or her death by violence, casualty or any undue means, he shall repair to the place where the dead body is, and take charge of the same, and forthwith summon a jury of six good and lawful men of the neighborhood where the body is found or lying to assemble at the place where the body is, at such time as he shall direct, and upon a view of the body, to inquire into the cause and manner of the death. [1895 Revised Statutes]
Every coroner shall, at the expense of the county, be supplied with proper record books, wherein he shall enter the name, if known, of each person upon whose body an inquest shall be held, together with the names of the jurors comprising the jury, the names, residences and occupations of the witnesses who are sworn and examined, and the verdict of the jury; in case the name of the person deceased is not known, the coroner shall make out a description of said person, and enter the same upon the record book to be so kept by him, together with all such facts and circumstances attending the death which may be known, and which may lead to the identification of the person; and shall carefully take an inventory of said person's personal effects and property of every kind and nature whatever, and state on his records what has been done with the same, and where the proceeds of any such property and the money and papers, if any, are deposited. [1895 Revised Statutes]
Content
The form and content of the Cook County Coroner's Records follow closely what is prescribed in the above statute. Categories of information printed on the page for the coroner to fill out are inquest number, name of deceased, address and location of inquest, date of inquest, jury's verdict, juror's names including foreman, witnesses names, residence, and occupation, description of deceased person and identifying, facts, description of property found on deceased, to whom such property was delivered.
All of these categories of information were filled out with the exception of the "Description of Person and Identifying Facts." This information, meant to provide a basis for later identification of unknown decedents, as prescribed in the statutes, is left blank in the Cook County records. Unidentified decedents are specified only by gender and age group, for example as "unknown man" or "unknown woman" or "unknown babyboy."
The jury's verdict includes the date of death when known; the place of death; the circumstances surrounding the death and the cause of death when known. Verdicts may identify parties responsible for homicides or assign blame to negligent parties in accidents. Juries sometimes recommend further investigation by the police to identify and apprehend parties responsible for homicides or accidental deaths caused by negligence or malfeasance. Occasionally the race of the decedent is given.
Copies
Copies of the files found in this index may be obtained by mail or telephone. Inquiries should be made directly to the Illinois Regional Archives Depository (IRAD) at Northeastern Illinois University in Chicago. IRAD cannot accept requests by e-mail at this time. Please contact:
Illinois Regional Archives Depository
Ronald Williams Library
Northeastern Illinois University
5500 N. St. Louis Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625-4699
773-442-4506
JOHNSON, PETER O. 50 219 11/19/1900 11/17/1900

JOHNSON, JENNIE 50 190 11/3/1900 11/2/1900


Chicago Police Department Homicide Record Index
Chicago Police Department Homicide Record, 1870–1930

Compiled by the Illinois Regional Archives Depository System, Northeastern Illinois University

The Chicago Homicide Record Index was compiled by Michelle Adams, an intern for the Illinois Regional Archives Depository at Northeastern Illinois University in Chicago. The 12,705 records in the database were extracted from the Chicago Police Department Homicide Records.
Precisely when and how the Chicago Police Department's Homicide Records were compiled is uncertain. What is known is that Police Department personnel made a concerted effort to list all of the homicides within the city of Chicago between 1870 and 1930.
The sources for this information, whether from official records or accounts in newspapers, are unidentified. Many of the homicides listed in the Homicide Records may also be found in the Coroner's Inquest Records for Cook County, but the two records sometimes differ in the spelling of names and in factual details. Although the Homicide Records frequently cite the results of coroner's inquests, the coroner's records do not appear to be a direct source for the homicides listed. Some homicides appear in either the Coroner's Inquest Records or the Homicide Records but not in both.
The information in the Homicide Records usually includes the name of the victim, the date of the homicide or assault, the date of death if different from the date of the assault, the address or location of the homicide, the manner of death, and the name of the person(s) responsible for the death. Other information that may be given includes any arrests for homicides, the results of coroner's inquests and court cases, and sentences given to persons found guilty.
Chicago Historical Homicide Project
The goal of the Chicago Historical Homicide Project was to make available to a wide audience, of teachers and students at the undergraduate and graduate level, to professionals and to amateurs, all of the cases in the Chicago Homicide Record (1870–1930) and the rich contextual materials available for that period of Chicago history.
The Chicago Historical Homicide Project created both a verbatim transcript and a quantitative database from these handwritten records. For an academic audience, they provide both the case summaries and the coded quantitative database for use by researchers.
For the public, they invite users not only to interact with this searchable database, but also to explore some of the more fascinating aspects of the 25 cases highlighted; and to explore the historical context —with emphasis on the rule of law —of these crimes and cases.
Researchers may visit the Chicago Historical Homicide Project Web site.
Copies
Copies of the files found in this index may be obtained by mail or telephone. Inquiries should be made directly to the Illinois Regional Archives Depository (IRAD) at Northeastern Illinois University in Chicago. IRAD cannot accept requests by e-mail at this time. Please contact:
Illinois Regional Archives Depository
Ronald Williams Library
Northeastern Illinois University
5500 N. St. Louis Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625-4699
773-442-4506

JOHNSON, GEORGE W. 1 77B 11/17/1900 JOHNSON, PETER O.
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tkoller
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Norway
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Posted - 01/11/2015 :  16:46:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This must bee the right Peter O johnson.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MS3V-RSP


Peter O Johnson
United States Census, 1900
Name Peter O Johnson
Event Type Census
Event Year 1900
Event Place Precinct 13 Chicago city Ward 14, Cook, Illinois, United States
Gender Male
Age 49
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race (Original) W
Relationship to Head of Household Father-in-law
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Father In Law
Years Married 25
Birth Date Mar 1851
Birthplace Norway
Marriage Year (Estimated) 1875
Immigration Year 1880
Father's Birthplace Norway
Mother's Birthplace Norway
Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace
Samuel Swanson Head M 26 Illinois
Allice Swanson Wife F 21 Norway
Peter O Johnson Father-in-law M 49 Norway
George W Johnson Brother-in-law M 5 Illinois
Citing this Record

"United States Census, 1900," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MS3V-RSP : accessed 1 November 2015), Peter O Johnson in household of Samuel Swanson, Precinct 13 Chicago city Ward 14, Cook, Illinois, United States; citing sheet 3A, family 49, NARA microfilm publication T623 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.); FHL microfilm 1,240,262.

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JaneC
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Posted - 01/11/2015 :  17:26:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

This might be Alice in 1900 Census. May add more questions then solutions. No sign of a Jenny or Sophie

NAME: Allice Swanson
AGE: 21
BIRTH DATE: Jan 1879
BIRTHPLACE: Norway
HOME IN 1900: Chicago Ward 14, Cook, Illinois
RACE: White
GENDER: Female
IMMIGRATION YEAR: 1890
RELATION TO HEAD OF HOUSE: Wife
MARITAL STATUS: Married
SPOUSE'S NAME: Samuel Swanson
MARRIAGE YEAR: 1900
YEARS MARRIED: 0
FATHER'S NAME: Peter O Johnson
FATHER'S BIRTHPLACE: Norway
MOTHER'S BIRTHPLACE: Norway
MOTHER: NUMBER OF LIVING CHILDREN: 0
MOTHER: HOW MANY CHILDREN: 0
OCCUPATION: View on Image
NEIGHBORS: View others on page
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Samuel Swanson 25
Allice Swanson 21
Peter O Johnson 49
George W Johnson 4


Hi tkoller, yes, Anton posted the 1900 census on page 4 of this thread. Subsequently the forum investigated Alice, and the son George, and the lines of inquiry led to learning more about Peter Olaf, and about George's mother (who was not your Jenny), but unfortunately the trail did not lead to answer the question, what happened to Jenny.
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tkoller
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Posted - 01/11/2015 :  18:09:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Peter and jenny was as metiond earlier in 1887. That means thet Georg and Alice is the dauther of his new wife.

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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 01/11/2015 :  18:51:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
George and another boy were the children of Peter O and 2nd wife Ovidea Caspara. Alice is the daughter of Peter O's first marriage.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/12/2016 :  17:01:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

Here is a possible Sofie. She married Edward Datz on 7 June 1906 in the Bethel Lutheran church in Chicago. Witnesses at her ceremony were Mrs. J.O Johnson and Miss Amy Johnson. Here she is in the 1910 census:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MKCB-N9X

This is the family in 1920 census. Sister Amy Johnson b. about 1881 is living with the family, so rather cuts against this Sofie:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJ35-F2S



Sophie Datz's father minimally identified as ____ Johnson and her birthdate as 16 Dec 1885 in Chicago, but this tends to eliminate her:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2M4-WM1N
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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/12/2016 :  17:44:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Peter O Johnson son from the first marriage James (for Jens) P. Johnson's death:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVRN-Q9JC
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jkmarler
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Posted - 11/04/2023 :  11:44:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Peter's daughter Alise in pauper's records:
Fattigvesenet, OBA/A-20045/H/Hd/L0002: Manntallsprotokoll. Mnr. 1-812, 1879-1887, s. 547
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/od19016000000547

And Alise again #509
Fattigvesenet, OBA/A-20045/H/Hd/L0004: Manntallsprotokoll. Mnr. 501-1000, 1887-1897, s. 12
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/od19018000000012

Her brother Jens Peter Sofus #508
Fattigvesenet, OBA/A-20045/H/Hd/L0004: Manntallsprotokoll. Mnr. 501-1000, 1887-1897, s. 10
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/od19018000000010



Edited by - jkmarler on 11/04/2023 11:56:46
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jkmarler
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Posted - 30/05/2023 :  16:03:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sophie Datz still alive in 1950 :
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHK-SQHW-N2TM?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A6X1P-HS31&action=view&groupId=TH-7703-115396-18594-6
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