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AntonH
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 Posted - 02/06/2015 : 23:38:33
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Good job Jean on that Google search, I have page 578 and while I do see some Simen names none of them seemed to pertain to Simen Johannessen. The page starts off with a Lars Pedersen f. 1730
His family of 8 children including one Simen f, 1781 No Johns or the like.
Next is the family of Simen Larsen f 1781 and his 8 children, including one Simen f 1808 and one Jon born 29 /11 1824 g.m. Beret Hansd.
Next is the family of Peder Larsen probably the third son of the first man listed Lars Pedersen. Including his 13 children, no simon, no John
Last on the page is a Simen Larson Tronsvang Alvdal f 17/4 1886
I do not see a connection with this page and your Simen Johnnessen f. 1868
The page is from the Tynset Bygdebok and It is part of Neby (farm no. 75), subfarm Nylænd Nedre (75-39).
I also have the pages on Aaseng from the Vingelen Bygedbok and have started looking at the Tovdal Bygdebok. It will not be a burden for me to keep poking away at this search, however there are so far no a-ha moments. |
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JeanFlor
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Posted - 03/06/2015 : 04:27:48
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Yes, so many ideas here, but no "a-ha" moments. I'm beginning to think Simen is a Swede. 
Does Telneset have a Bygdebok? That's where Julia was born. I can't believe he wasn't in the 1891 Census that was found. Thank you for being willing to poke around.
Jean
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Originally posted by lyndal40
I do not see a connection with this page and your Simen Johnnessen f. 1868
The page is from the Tynset Bygdebok and It is part of Neby (farm no. 75), subfarm Nylænd Nedre (75-39).
I also have the pages on Aaseng from the Vingelen Bygedbok and have started looking at the Tovdal Bygdebok. It will not be a burden for me to keep poking away at this search, however there are so far no a-ha moments.
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AntonH
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Posted - 03/06/2015 : 04:35:06
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| Telneset, as a town, probably not, . Bygdebok are set up to discuss the history and ownership and inheritance of farms. So the farms around Teleset would be included in the three volumes of Tynset. |
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jwiborg
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Posted - 03/06/2015 : 18:04:15
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I think it has become pretty obvious that Simen Johannessen is not from the Aaseng farm in Tolga.
The only thing we know, is that he must have worked there as a farmhand Autumn of 1889.
Since people normally didn't travel that far in those days, he should be born nearby. But not limited to Tynset or Tolga. Os, Folldal and Alvdal are also very likely. Plus the neighboring municipalites in Sør-Trøndelag and Oppland. That is; Oppdal, Rennebu, Midtre Gauldal, Holtålen, Røros, Dovre and Sel.
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AntonH
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Posted - 03/06/2015 : 18:33:56
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I've seen pages from the Bygdebok from Vingelen regarding the Aasengs (translated by a relative from Norway) and could find no evidence of Simen there.
I agree with both the comment above and that of Jan Peter. I looked over the pages on Aasenga from the Vingelen Bygdebok again and found only two Simens, one born in 1797 and one born in 1841. No John or any variaton of that name either. Looked to see who the daughters of the right age married and only found one. Marit born 1846 married Johan Nytrøen. Found them quite easily in the 1880 US Census in Wisconsin with one small child named Esten. Lots of Esten and Amund names in this area tho. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 03/06/2015 : 18:39:25
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If you broaden out the search to Simen Joh* born 1868 plus/minus 2 in Oppland you do get several names. Some of them we have seen before.
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Simen Johansen ??????
29 jan 1866 6 mai 1866 (6 May 1866) Sor Fron,Opland,Norway Johannes,
Maria
See number 35
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6081&idx_id=6081&uid=ny&idx_side=-25
I looked for each of the Simen’s in the Fron bygdebøker, but could not find anything. The books lack detailed genealogical information overall However here is the family in the 1875 Census for Guasdal.
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01052094002456
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Simen Hagbarth Johansen
29 sep 1868 24 jan 1869 Dovre,Opland,Norway Johan,
Ingri
See number 2
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9234&uid=ny&idx_side=-38
Died July 17, 1869 See number 30, another son with the same name was born in 1872
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9234&idx_id=9234&uid=ny&idx_side=-139
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Simen Johansen This is the same person as Simen Johannessen Lien see all the data for him on page 5
31 aug 1869 24 okt 1869 (24 Oct 1869) Kvam,Opland,Norway Johannes,
Berret
See number 36
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9260&idx_id=9260&uid=ny&idx_side=-71
Kvam could be part of the Fron Bygdebøker. I looked for each of the Simen’s in the Fron bygdebøker, but could not find anything. The books lack detailed genealogical information overall. However I did find family in the 1875 Census in Nord-Fron.
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01052090006494
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Simen Johansen See discusiion on page 5
21 jan 1870 18 apr 1870 Dovre,Opland,Norway John,
Anne
See number 12
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9234&idx_id=9234&uid=ny&idx_side=-45 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 03/06/2015 : 18:46:41
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And for Hedmark the names look quite familiar. I have access to all three Bygdebøker for Folldal, Eggerdal and Vang so I will try and check these four out and see if any of them are of interest.
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Simen Johannesen
15 jun 1866 19 aug 1866 Vang, Hedmark, Norway Johannes,
Gunnor
See number 44
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8841&idx_id=8841&uid=ny&idx_side=-143
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Simen Johansen
28 mai 1866 (28 May 1866) 10 jun 1866 Folldal,Hedmark,Norway John,
Elen
See discussion on page 5
See number 29
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9200&idx_id=9200&uid=ny&idx_side=-36
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Simen Johansen
7 nov 1866 10 feb 1867 Vang, Hedmark, Norway Johan,
Karen
See number 9
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1495&idx_id=1495&uid=ny&idx_side=-110
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Simen Hakon Johnsen
23 jan 1869 25 mar 1869 Engerdal, Hedmark, Norway John,
Karen Maria
See number 7
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8903&idx_id=8903&uid=ny&idx_side=-31
Died in Rendal July 18, 1888
See number 8
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5016&idx_id=5016&uid=ny&idx_side=-157
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AntonH
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jkmarler
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Posted - 03/06/2015 : 19:04:29
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Originally posted by JeanFlor
I can't believe he wasn't in the 1891 Census that was found. Thank you for being willing to poke around.
Well, it seemed strange to me also but I only looked in the tellingskret that contained Aaseng. He could be working elsewhere in Tolga or in Tynset even. |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/06/2015 : 19:12:06
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Originally posted by JeanFlor
Yes, so many ideas here, but no "a-ha" moments. I'm beginning to think Simen is a Swede.
Jean
I doubt it, but it is very confusing, do not give up
Simen should have been recorded as incoming to Tynset if he came from another parish.
Swedes use the ending -son, Johanneson.
Kåre
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JeanFlor
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Posted - 03/06/2015 : 23:16:52
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So Julia's mother was Berit Olsdtr Øilien who was born in Tolga, Norway (Hammer) 14 Feb 1871. Berit's father was Ole Pedersen Øilien born 13 Aug 1845 in Tynset. All of Berit's older siblings were born in Tolga, but her younger ones (after 1875 sometime) were born on Ølia in Tynset.
Berit's father, Ole, had an older brother named Johan Pedersen (oldest sibling) who according to some on Ancestry was born in Hole, Tynset. The church birth record is on my Tree, but I can't read it - it's in Norwegian. It looks like it might say Holen? But I'm not sure at all - #embarrassed....and I can't upload it here.
Johan Pedersen was born 4 Nov 1832 - the son of Peder Jonsen Bersvendtrøen & Beret Johansdtr Utgaard. It does seem strange that Johan is the only sibling listed as being born in Hole.
I'm wondering that given the patronymic naming system if Simen Johansen Hole in Lesja (below) might be a good candidate? Perhaps he was a family friend? Or does 'Hole' have nothing to do with anything at all?
Jan Peder - thank you for the maps. They help. I become confused with farm names, municipalities, parishes, districts, counties, etc...
And Kåre I will never give up, but I might become fluent in Norwegian before it's over.
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Originally posted by lyndal40
In the 1900 Norwegian Census, only two names pop up for that requirement.
Simen Johannessen of Gjøvik.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1900&knr=0502&kenr=009&bnr=0014&lnr=02Simen Johansen Hole married with one child in Lesja.
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http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1900&knr=0512&kenr=008&bnr=0069&lnr=00
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Kåarto
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Posted - 03/06/2015 : 23:55:33
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Ther are/were two Hole farms in Lesja:
- Hole Nordre (Nothern Hole)
- Hole Neristuen. Neristuen can be translated to "the house below"
Soon midnight in Norway, time to Close the lamp.
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AntonH
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Posted - 04/06/2015 : 01:58:02
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who according to some on Ancestry was born in Hole, Tynset
Actually Johan was born in Holen, Tynset. See number 1
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9217&idx_id=9217&uid=ny&idx_side=-23
There are at least nine farms in Hedmark that use the name Holen. And as Kåre pointed out there are two Holen farms in Oppland. Spelling is somewhat dependent on the era. |
Edited by - AntonH on 04/06/2015 02:58:00 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 04/06/2015 : 03:23:22
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I would like someone to give me a read on the farm name after the father Johan Simensen, it looks like something? Korsvald. It will help to find this person in the Dovre Bygdebok.
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Simen Hagbarth Johansen
29 sep 1868 24 jan 1869 Dovre,Opland,Norway Johan,
Ingri
See number 2
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9234&uid=ny&idx_side=-38 |
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jkmarler
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Looking for Simen Johannesen Aaseng born 1868
