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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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9301 Posts |
 Posted - 05/06/2015 : 00:39:56
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Following up on Jan Peters suggestion to look close to Tolga/Tynset, the Simen Joh* born 1867 plus/minus 2 and located close to Tolga/Tylnset is this person. He is located about 60 mles from Tolga/Tynset. We have surfaced his name before.
Name: Simen Johansen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 28 mai 1866 (28 May 1866)
Baptism Date: 10 jun 1866
Baptism Place: Folldal,Hedmark,Norway
Father: John Syversen
Mother: Elen Eriksdr
FHL Film Number: 124680
See also number 29
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9200&idx_id=9200&uid=ny&idx_side=-36
I looked at the Bygdebok for Folldal, author Ivar Streitlien this weekend and looked at the Løken farm for information. This is what I found.
Simen Jonson Løkken was born May 28, 1866at Løkken, Folldal, Hedmark and died Sept 18, 1944. His parents are as listed above.On October 7, 1892 he married Kirsti Haldorsdatter born July 21, 1873 at Klemetsplassen, Foldal Hedmarken, She is the daughter of Hador Toreson Bihaug and Ingeborg Simensdatter Flyen. After the death of his father-in-law, Simen took over Klemetsplassen. Simon and Kirsti had four childen,
Anna Eline b 8/1894
Jon b 8/151895
Haldo b 2/7 1897
Ingmar b 14/4 1902
His son Jon Simeson Klemetsplass took over the farm after the death of Simon.
There is no mention of Simen Jonson Løkken having ever worked in Aasen, Tolga or having fathered an child in Tynset. Probably not a good candidate.
He is the same person as found by Jackie and posted on page one.
" Simen Jonsen Klemmetsplads 1868 Lille Elvedalen herred* Hf g Gaardbr. selveier Tømmerdrift Lille-Elvedalens: Klemmetspladsen
03.12.1900 Folketelling 1900 for 0438 Lille Elvedalen herred "
He is also in the 1910 Census at Løkken.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/tidslinje.aspx?idi=2018788
His marriage in 1893
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9200&idx_id=9200&uid=ny&idx_side=-247
Birth of first daughter Anna Eline in 1894, See number 4
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1512&idx_id=1512&uid=ny&idx_side=-24
Baptism of first son Jon See number 17
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1512&idx_id=1512&uid=ny&idx_side=-28
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/06/2015 : 02:13:06
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The next closest person is this one in Nord Fron Oppland. Also surfaced before. He is located about 100 mles from Tynset. He is the same person as the person directly below.
Name: Simen Johansen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 31 aug 1869
Baptism Date: 24 okt 1869 (24 Oct 1869)
Baptism Place: Kvam,Opland,Norway
Father: Johannes Larsen
Mother: Berret Nilsdr
Also see number 36
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9260&idx_id=9260&uid=ny&idx_side=-71
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Edited by - AntonH on 07/06/2015 17:36:04 |
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AntonH
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 05/06/2015 : 23:15:13
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I also looked at the Bygdebok for Dovre, author Gunnar Kaas and Arfinn Engen for
View Record
Simen Johansen
21 jan 1870 18 apr 1870 Dovre,Opland,Norway John,
Anne
See number 12
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9234&idx_id=9234&uid=ny&idx_side=-45
Simen Jonsen was born Jan 21 1870 and died May 15, 1935 at Nordistugu Ruste, Dovre, Oppland. His parents were Jon Jonsson and Anne Bjørnersdatter from Sør Hole at Lesja. They had ten chldren including Simen. After the death of his father Simen took over the farm in 1906. . He is also listed as a sløydlæar (teacher of carpentry). In 1906 he married Guri Torresdatter from Rosten i Sel. They had four children.
Jon b 6/9/1906
Tor b 11/7/1909
Anton b 6/5/1911
Olianna b 1914
The article does mention that in 1890 father Jon and mother Anne lived on the Ruste farm with their six children including Simen.
This Simen Jonson does not seem a very likely candidate for the person we are seeking. No mention is made in the article about Simen working in Tolga or having fathered a child in Tynset. Probbly not a good candidate.
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JeanFlor
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Posted - 06/06/2015 : 00:35:50
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| I look at all the work being done on my behalf & wish there was something more I could do. Hope you all take a weekend break at least - your time is SO appreciated. It's times like these when I wish I would have made my dad teach me a little Norwegian - he didn't speak English until he started grade school even tho he was born in MN. Happy weekend! |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/06/2015 : 02:37:59
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Well unfortunately we are running out of places to look. I have eliminated most of the eight candidates on page 4 from either Hedmark or Oppland because there seems to be no fit in the bygdebok info or they died an early death, ie the strike out ones, or the bygdebok gave no real genealogical info that was useable ie the ones with ????? marks behind their names.
We are left with:
Simen Jonsen (various spellings) b 1866 from Løkken/Klemmetsplassen, Folldal/Alvdal, Hedmark.
Smen Johannessen Lien b 1869 from Klevstadlien, Kvam, Nord-Fron, Oppland
Simen Johannessen Myhre b 1869 from Fåberg, Oppland
Placed in order of distance from Tynset.
The person left of most interest to me is the Simen Johannessen Lien from Klevstadlien, Kvam, Nord-Fron, Oppland.
There are some things that are appealing to all of them as a candidate for your Simen Johannessen, however we are sadly lacking in a direct link between any of them and Tolga or Tynset either for work or as a father to an illegimate child. Also there seems to be no common thread between the records, no common person who was a witness for the birth of a child and who comes from Tynset. Most of the witnesses that I can trace come from the parish where the baptism is taking place. I have not been able to find someone from Tolga or Tynset that would give us some link.
There are some Bygdebøker that perhaps could shed some further light on Simen Johannessen Lien but they are out of the U of M library on long term loan so it may be some time before you get anymore information on him. |
Edited by - AntonH on 08/06/2015 16:37:03 |
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AntonH
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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/06/2015 : 19:51:16
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In the utflyttedes of Fåberg / Fåberg 1883-1892 there are two Simen Johannesons each left for America, one was born abt 1827 and was head of the family the other was born in 1880 and was a child in the family.
I saw no Simen Johannesons in Fåberg/ Mesna for the same period of utflyttedes.
I wonder if there might be some employment records of the farm Aaseng which might show a contract for a hire of Simen Johannesson? |
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jkmarler
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/06/2015 : 23:39:56
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| We only have the 1910 and 1920 US Census for Julie. She arrived in 1904 and died in 1929. I think she is living in Douglas County Wisconsin in 1910 under the name Julia Lien and near her aunt Oline. In 1920 she is married to Edward Smith and living in Barnes County, North Dakota. In both instances she lists both mother and father's birth place as Norway. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 08/06/2015 : 04:52:02
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Originally posted by jkmarler
After Julia got to US is her father's birthplace reported in 1910, 1920, 1930 census as any other place than Norway?
Here #19 & #20 left are her mother and presumed auntie leaving for America, the note appears to say what?:
Source information: Hedmark county, Tynset in Tynset, Parish register (official) nr. 22 (1880-1899), Emigration records 1893-1896, page 275.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=4060&idx_id=4060&uid=ny&idx_side=-255
Johanna above in Findagrave index:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVLY-DC7V
Beret: born 14 feb 1871, chr 26 mar 1871, conf 10 oct 1886. Available for marriage certificate of 6 sep 1892.
Johanna: born 27 oct 1873, chr 3 nov 1873, conf 7 oct 1888. Good moral. Communicant. Available for marriage certificate of 6 sep 1892.
Note that Beret is not quoted with "Good moral" in the churchbook, as opposed to her younger sister Johanne. This is of course due to her illegitimate child. |
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JeanFlor
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Posted - 08/06/2015 : 10:03:19
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Thank you for locating Julia in the 1910 Census. We had all thought she had come straight to North Dakota - yes, I too believe that is her in Douglas County (near her aunt, Oline). Julia is in ND in 1911 or shortly after. In 1914 she marries Edward Smith - they have 2 children. Edward dies in 1920 as a result of the flu pandemic. Julia goes back to Wisconsin to be close to her aunt Oline & marries Edward Brevik in 1929....then dies during the birth of her third child, Julian. Her 3 children are then raised by Julia's aunt. A rather tragic life. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=46759556&ref=acom
You might not have been able to figure out who it is, but at least I know who it's not. :-)
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Looking for Simen Johannesen Aaseng born 1868
