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eibache
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 Posted - 18/01/2016 : 11:17:00
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Kristian Fredrik Kristiansen Bjerke and Maria Arntsdatter Nerheim was married Oct 28 1893, see #7.
Kristian Fredriks father was Kristian Johannesen and Maries father was Arnt Jonsen.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 18/01/2016 : 13:44:51
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Marie Arntsdatter was born March 12 1870 #26
She was baptized Maria May 8 1870, and her parents were Arnt Johnsen and Berte Marie Thorsdatter, Nereim.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/01/2016 : 14:11:04
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Kristian Arnt Kristiansen was baptized Sept 6 1896, #111.
Parents Kristian Fridrik Kristiansen Bjerke and Marie Arntsdatter living in Stockholmsgaden 70.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/01/2016 : 15:30:02
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A lot going on here, but I don't think the 1910 census was posted for the Bjercke family: Back in edit to note I did post this earlier. :-)link
eibache posted the birth of Bjarne Johan as 06.01.1905 and 1910 census has same.
Buried in same plot at Vår Frelsers gravlund:
Lagerformand Christian Johansen 1838 - 07.1897
Enkefru Berthe Sofie Johannesen 1829 - 02.1917
Formann Kristian Fred. Bjerche 20.03.1875 - 11.11.1947
Frk. Josefine Margrethe Johansen 20.11.1864 - 21.10.1952
Mary Strandum 03.01.1899 - 09.05.1978 (= Mary Sofie)
Trearbeider Fredrik Christian Strandum 21.05.1894 - 20.01.1967
Bjarne Johan Bjercke 06.01.1977 - 23.04.1977
Given the context for the gravesite of Bjarne Johan, and because his birth date is listed as 06 January, we can guess a typing error was made, in posting this transcription online, and the date of birth SHOULD be 06.01.1905.
Information from www.begravdeioslo.no
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ROBJE
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Posted - 18/01/2016 : 15:40:16
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Egads! You folk are quick and thorough. (And awfully helpful.)
Yes, jkmarler, I must learn to note the searches I've already made, which includes all the censuses and avansert personsok at the excellent Digitalarkivet. My greatest pleasures and finds have come from the scanned church book. But my methods must be slow and plodding compared to yours'!
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Here is Alex Jadah in Oslo address book 1960-1961
How, for example did Jane C find that so quickly? I've pored through directories page by page, but is there some way they are searchable?
(And that entry indicates sloppiness on someone's part, as I was at primary school in Montreal in 1960, and dad Alex was certainly with us.)
Still....impressive powers you have.
Some of what your last, kind reply includes is new to me. 'Utflytning', for example, has been wholly unsuccessful, yet you find it in nano-seconds. I had also not seen Granny Margit's entry at Rikshospitalet.
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In which parish registers have you searched for Kristian's and Thora's marriage?
Line by line in Faaberg, Sel and Sagene. Also, the search functions at ancestral sites. Their infernal use of so many names before settling on Flugstad does complicate matters.
And thank you for those, Elbache. You guys are good. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/01/2016 : 16:03:36
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Originally posted by JaneC
A lot going on here, but I don't think the 1910 census was posted for the Bjercke family: Back in edit to note I did post this earlier. :-)link
eibache posted the birth of Bjarne Johan as 06.01.1905 and 1910 census has same.
Buried in same plot at Vår Frelsers gravlund:
Lagerformand Christian Johansen 1838 - 07.1897
Enkefru Berthe Sofie Johannesen 1829 - 02.1917
Formann Kristian Fred. Bjerche 20.03.1875 - 11.11.1947
Frk. Josefine Margrethe Johansen 20.11.1864 - 21.10.1952
Mary Strandum 03.01.1899 - 09.05.1978 (= Marg. Sofie)
Trearbeider Fredrik Christian Strandum 21.05.1894 - 20.01.1967
Bjarne Johan Bjercke 06.01.1977 - 23.04.1977
Given the context for the gravesite of Bjarne Johan, and because his birth date is listed as 06 January, we can guess a typing error was made, in posting this transcription online, and the date of birth SHOULD be 06.01.1905.
Information from www.begravdeioslo.no
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The other possibility is that there are two Bjarnes in the family. Einar has the Bjarne who is a brother to Kristian b. 1896. But I think the poster was wondering about Bjarne a possible son of Kristian b 1896 & Margit.... |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/01/2016 : 16:22:41
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Plot is thickening. Here is Julie Anders., Kristian Andersen children of Gina Christiansen, and Otto And.:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01052095003378
001 01 Kristine Olsdatter 1829 Fåberg hm g Inderst Bager Spinderske b
002 01 Gina Kristiansdatter 1851 Fåberg hendes Datter ug Spinderske b
003 01 Otto Andersen 1871 Fåberg uægte Søn b
004 01 Julie Andersen 1870 Fåberg Gina Kristiansd uægte Datter b
005 01 Kristian Andersen 1872 Modum Prgj. Gina Kristiansd. uægte Søn
According to this Otto And. would not be a sibling of Kristian but a half-uncle on his mother's side but the father is an unmarried Anders Johansen from Sweden which might mean Kristian and Otto are half-brothers as well depending on who Anders Johansen from Sweden is:
Kildeinformasjon: Oppland fylke, Fåberg, Ministerialbok nr. 7 (1868-1878), Fødte og døpte 1871, side 43.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8937&idx_id=8937&uid=ny&idx_side=-49
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ROBJE
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Canada
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Posted - 18/01/2016 : 16:42:33
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Wonderful stuff!
JaneC and my last posting crossed in cyberspace, and I only see it now. There were indeed two Bjarnes: Bjarne Johan b1905 was brother to my Kristian Arnt b1896, and Bjarne Bjercke b1916 (no birh register) was my mother Ellen's (b1929) brother by Kristian Arnt (of the missing resting place) and doomed Margit.
And now - oops -the family secret is almost outed by jkmarler.
According to very irate (underlined and exclamation points) priestly entries for Julie and Kristan, Otto was born right between the illegitimate Julie and Kristian Andersen; fathered by the same Swedish rascal, but mothered by Gina's own mother Kristine!
(I'd also be curious to find out why the philandering father of three - Anders Petter Johansen b1852 - is possibly the one listed as a 'fange' in the Oslo 1875 census)
Plot thickens indeed.
You guys........amazing.
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ROBJE
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Posted - 18/01/2016 : 17:05:27
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Postscript:
I have followed an Anders Peter Johanssen booking passage from Christiania to USA in 1880 (after his prison term, perhaps?), but never an arrival record.
But since his son Otto b1871 did travel to Wisconsin in 1888 (at the youngish age of 16) with a definite destination in Wisconsin, I'll assume The Swedish Rascal did end up there and had one son join him. Otto's busy mother Kristine also made the trip with same destination in 1893.
Now how on earth did you locate a church entry so quickly, jk? Secrets of the trade?
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 18/01/2016 : 17:07:26
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Here is a possible Gina Christiansdatter born in Faaberg:
Kildeinformasjon: Oppland fylke, Fåberg, Ministerialbok nr. 5 (1836-1854), Fødte og døpte 1851, side 219-220.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8934&idx_id=8934&uid=ny&idx_side=-115
Regards dirty little secrets, "everything in the mud, will out."
The entire reason that your Kristian was born in Modum rather than Faaberg was probably to not further exacerbate Gina's, Anders' legal situation. Although there is another line above Anders' name in the baptism record which I couldn't quite figure out, perhaps more detail.
As far as I've seen, my experience anyway, no men ever get incarcerated due to too many wild oats but I have seen a few women actually be jailed for the same thing. (A famous one in Hol Hallingdal, think her name was Sigrid, called the most beautiful in the place was jailed after her 6th illegitimate child.) Quite a few things are exacerbating circumstances in this case: Kristine was a married, if separated--maybe, woman and then the daughter and mother thing with the same guy is also red letter.
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ROBJE
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Posted - 18/01/2016 : 17:52:41
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| Yup... that's my Gina. Her dad Christian Gundersen b1822 seems to have gone perpetually horizontal in 1868, leaving the widowed Kristine free for more adventures. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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ROBJE
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Canada
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Posted - 18/01/2016 : 18:21:51
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Intriguing.
Again.
I have long wondered: what is the translation of Laegdslem? Penniless? Charity case?
And I know he was a mere dagarbeider with a house (shed?) full of kids, so times must have been extremely difficult. Very possible Kristine had had enough. |
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ROBJE
Medium member
Canada
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Posted - 18/01/2016 : 18:27:21
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Super! I'd seen the source of your uppermost link (last post), but the bottom one was new and fascinating; giving me hours more of fun to track down more possible North American kin.
I'm grateful. |
Edited by - ROBJE on 18/01/2016 18:27:58 |
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