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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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 Posted - 06/07/2016 : 07:08:00
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Kristine Kristiansen was born 6 Sept 1884 in Drammen Norway to M/M Otto Kristiansen.
Kristine Hansine was baptized in Lier, see #92.
Parents were Otto Kristiansen and Karen Olea Pedersen living at Nøstestranden.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2016 : 11:49:25
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Here is a candidate for Olaf. Seems to match Sverre fairly well.
Olof Hanson
in the 1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Olof Hanson
Age in 1910: 24
Birth Year: abt 1886
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1910: Rockford Ward 2, Winnebago, Illinois
Street: 15th Avenue
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1905
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Native Tongue: English
Occupation: Laborer
Industry: Miner Works
Employer, Employee or Other: Wage Earner
Naturalization Status: Alien
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Out of Work: N
Number of weeks out of work: 0
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Gustafson 40
Ada Gustafson 40
Hazel Gustafson 16
Edna Gustafson 13
Oscar Anderson 18
Olof Hanson 24
Aaron Hawkinson 21
Olof matches Sverre better than Sverre matches Sverre in 1910:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MKF6-K5M |
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Nancy Sondy
Starting member
USA
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Posted - 06/07/2016 : 18:12:53
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Both Julie and Marie were survived by another sister who also came to America. According to her obituary published in Morning Star in Rockford Illinois on 5 Nov 1969 pg 8 col 7. Kristine Kristiansen was born 6 Sept 1884 in Drammen Norway to M/M Otto Kristiansen. She died in Beloit Wisc on 4 Nov 1969. Says she had lived 45 years in Rockford, Illinois.
This is fantastic information! jkmarler, I got a subscription for genealogybank and I'm finding most of the news articles that you posted - mostly because you gave a date and I could search one year at a time!! I still cannot figure out how you're finding all these obituaries. I would love to add them to the family tree - can you guide me in this?
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Nancy Sondy
Starting member
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Posted - 06/07/2016 : 18:15:17
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Originally posted by eibache
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Kristine Kristiansen was born 6 Sept 1884 in Drammen Norway to M/M Otto Kristiansen.
Kristine Hansine was baptized in Lier, see #92.
Parents were Otto Kristiansen and Karen Olea Pedersen living at Nøstestranden.
Einar, thank you so much for filling in so much information from the records. I have tried searching the same database and usually find zero matches. I doesn't help that I don't read Norwegian, thankfully there is google translate for most words.
Nancy
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Edited by - Nancy Sondy on 06/07/2016 19:09:22 |
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Nancy Sondy
Starting member
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Posted - 06/07/2016 : 18:20:31
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Originally posted by eibache
In the 1900 census Otto Kristiansen and Karen Olea Kristiansen (Pedersdatter) had a daughterson Bjarne living with them.
The mother of Bjarne Marinius was Julie Pauline Kristiansen (Ottodatter) born 1878. He was born out of wedlock. See #3.
Einar, I looked at the 1910 census document and they list Bjarne with occupation "wisergut" which google translates as "high born." Is this an occupation, or could this be a misspelling? Thank you!
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Edited by - Nancy Sondy on 06/07/2016 19:09:57 |
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Nancy Sondy
Starting member
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13 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2016 : 18:32:23
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Originally posted by jkmarler
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Here is a candidate for Olaf. Seems to match Sverre fairly well.
Olof Hanson
in the 1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Olof Hanson
Age in 1910: 24
Birth Year: abt 1886
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1910: Rockford Ward 2, Winnebago, Illinois
Street: 15th Avenue
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1905
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Native Tongue: English
Occupation: Laborer
Industry: Miner Works
Employer, Employee or Other: Wage Earner
Naturalization Status: Alien
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Out of Work: N
Number of weeks out of work: 0
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Gustafson 40
Ada Gustafson 40
Hazel Gustafson 16
Edna Gustafson 13
Oscar Anderson 18
Olof Hanson 24
Aaron Hawkinson 21
Olof matches Sverre better than Sverre matches Sverre in 1910:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MKF6-K5M
This family is making me crazy! I am not sure if Olaf (Oluf) is Sverre or if he is another son. The family says there were 18 children, and it looks like there was a child born every year. I do suspect through research that Sverre changed his name to Charles because both of those people are associated as husband to Bergette. Based on the news articles you found, I'm inclined to think to think that after Sverre dodged going to Pontiac reformatory, he started using his middle or alias name.
I also cannot connect Josef Hansen and I'm not sure who Josef Marinius is or why there would be two sons named Josef. Although - in one family tree I've worked on with people from Mexico EVERY woman in the family had the first name Maria and then went by their middle name. I am also sure that Josef Hansen was born in April of 1890 which is one month before the child named Vilhelm was born (May 1890). (They also have a Wilhelm who goes by William per the 1910 US census). I've searched for hours trying to find some evidence that Josef's middle name (or first name) was Vilhelm, but I find nothing. Even Josef's draft card has a slash through the middle name, which I would take to mean he didn't have one (I don't have a middle name and I do the same).
I love a good mystery!
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2016 : 20:03:31
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| Wisergut = visergutt - errand boy. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2016 : 20:32:13
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You may want to go about it another way. Start with Joseph just as if you didn't know a thing about him. If he's with the same people in record after record (for instance addresses where he and Marie lived ) and all that kind of detail. Sometimes you don't get the direct evidence you want but a wealth of all the circumstantial evidence might replace.
From what I've seen, no one in this family is particularly 100% accurate on their birthdates etc. When Joseph dies was there an obituary for him? Are there funeral home records which mention his relatives?
Perhaps those with criminal predilections adopted their own sibling's names to give themselves "plausible deniability" in case they ended up in court?
When the brother Harold died in 1947 not one of his siblings were mentioned as surviving him, even though he and Joseph married sisters and would presumably have been closer. One of Joseph's children was named Harold, why? |
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ginnis
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Posted - 01/05/2018 : 02:38:59
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| My first time posting so I hope I'm doing it right. So excited to find this forum. I've been heading up dead ends for a couple of years looking for my ancestry on my grandma's Norwegian family. My grandma was Olaug Katinka Johansen (1898-1981) one of 3 girls born out of wedlock to Karoline Kristiansen (or Caroline Christiansen). Olaug's sisters were Kirsten Anfinsen (1906-1984) and Anny (Annie) Hendrickson. I've been looking at the 1900 census and can't make out who is listed as Olaug Katinka Johansen's father. It says _______ Aksel Johansen. Can you help me with the name? Also I'm looking for some information on Bjarne Svensen (Dec. 24, 1899 - Sept 28, 1980). In the 1900 census it lists his father as ___ ____ Svendsen. Can you help me with the name? His mother is listed as Julie Pauline Kristiansen, born in 1878. Apparently Julie or Julia had a child born out of wedlock which she left behind when she came to the U.S. Am I right to assume this is the Bjarne Svendsen that she left behind? He later came to the U.S. and is listed as stepson of Harold Hansen in his obituary however he's never listed on the U.S. census as living in the household. I know I'm being very specific in my questions but this group really seems to have a handle on information and how to find it and I'm at a loss with my Norwegian family. Thanks in advance for any and all info you would have on the family of Olaug Katinka Johansen. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2018 : 03:53:57
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Ginni, when you write about the 1900 census, are you referring to the Norwegian Census or the persons baptism record?
And do your questions related to the original topic of this thread? If so I think most of the information is already in the previous six pages, but here goes with some answers anyway.
And would this be the Olaug you are referring to?
Olaug Katinka Johansen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Olaug Katinka Johansen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 23 apr 1898
Baptism Date: 7 aug 1898
Baptism Place: Frogner, Buskerud, Norway
Father: Aksel Johansen
Mother: Karoline Kristiansen
FHL Film Number: 278201
Reference ID: 2:1R23MCR
The word before the name Aksel is probably Sømand ie Sailor or ungkarl ie bachelor. Both words are used next to the name Axel in this original baptism record, Click on #26. The word next to Caroline is pige ie girl.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2018 : 04:15:44
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I am curious as to what 1900 Census you are looking at. We usually look at transcribed versions of the census. Here is the 1900 Norwegian Census for Olaug. There appears to be three generations of family in the Census. Parents are Otto and Karen Krisitansen, They have three daughters including your Karoline and then Karoline has a daughter Olaug. Bjarne is the son of one of the daughters.
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Edited by - AntonH on 01/05/2018 04:21:39 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2018 : 04:25:47
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This is probably the baptism record for Bjarne.
Bjarne Marinius
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Bjarne Marinius
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 24 des 1899 (24 Dec 1899)
Baptism Date: 28 jan 1900
Baptism Place: Frogner, Buskerud, Norway
Father's Age: 1834
Mother's Age: 1878
Father: Oluf Svensen
Mother: Julie Pauline Kristiansdatter
FHL Film Number: 1282533
Reference ID: BK15 P7 CN3
Here is the original record for the baptism. Again the word in front of Julie is Pige ie girl and Sømand ie sailor in front of Oluf.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2018 : 04:44:54
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So in 1910 Bjarne is living in a household that contains the mother Karen Kristiansen born 1848 (husband is likely deceased), and Karoline Kristiansen born 1881 and what is listed as her four children. However that might not be correct. The phrase after the children is d av nr. 12 (means daughter of number 12) ie Karoline Kristiansen or s av nr 12 ie son of number 12 for Bjarne. However the baptism record above refers to his mother as Julie Pauline.?
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Edited by - AntonH on 01/05/2018 05:00:04 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2018 : 09:21:39
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Annie was born March 15 and baptized in Bragernes (Drammen) Nov 24 1901, see #183.
Her father was mechanic Jacob Henriksen. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/05/2018 : 09:31:12
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Kirsten was born March 15 and baptized July 22 1906 in Bragernes (Drammen), see #106.
Her father was mason Christen Anfinsen.
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Josef Hansen b. 11 Apr 1890 Christiana
