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Kaiser
Junior member
Norway
39 Posts |
 Posted - 12/02/2018 : 15:53:39
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Last time I posted a topic the response was overwhelming and again my ability to find what I look for is limited so I've to address the keyboard detectives again.
Odd Hermann Gulbrandsen 1897-1970. Went to America but repatriated when he became terminally ill and died in Norway. He had a wife whose name is lost but one came up with the name Tyne. Would be nice to have her identity. There is no rumor on children but did they have?
The other Gulbrandsen is Gudrun Sofie Vieille born June 6, 1870 in Norway. She got married toJulius Vieille and had a son dentist Albert Vieille. The family broke up and Albert ended in fostercare. This happend most likely when Gudrun Sofie was relatively young so I'm wondering if she managed to recover and remarried and had more children? It would be very interesting to hear more about her demise.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2018 : 19:40:19
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Possibly these two? His wife is Thyne. His occupation is painter.
NAME: Herman Gulbransen
RESPONDENT: Yes
AGE: 42
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: 1898
GENDER: Male
RACE: White
BIRTHPLACE: Norway
MARITAL STATUS: Married
RELATION TO HEAD OF HOUSE: Head
HOME IN 1940: Hempstead, Nassau, New York
STREET: Jefferson Avenue
HOUSE NUMBER: 13
FARM: No
INFERRED RESIDENCE IN 1935: Hempstead, Nassau, New York
RESIDENCE IN 1935: Same House, Nassau, New York
RESIDENT ON FARM IN 1935: No
CITIZENSHIP: Naturalized
SHEET NUMBER: 10B
NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLD IN ORDER OF VISITATION: 246
OCCUPATION: Painter
HOUSE OWNED OR RENTED: Owned
VALUE OF HOME OR MONTHLY RENTAL IF RENTED: 4000
ATTENDED SCHOOL OR COLLEGE: No
HIGHEST GRADE COMPLETED: Elementary school, 8th grade
HOURS WORKED WEEK PRIOR TO CENSUS: 30
CLASS OF WORKER: Working on own account
INCOME OTHER SOURCES: Yes
NAME: Thyne Gulbransen
AGE: 43
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: 1897
GENDER: Female
RACE: White
BIRTHPLACE: Sweden
MARITAL STATUS: Married
RELATION TO HEAD OF HOUSE: Wife
HOME IN 1940: Hempstead, Nassau, New York
STREET: Jefferson Avenue
HOUSE NUMBER: 13
FARM: No
INFERRED RESIDENCE IN 1935: Hempstead, Nassau, New York
RESIDENCE IN 1935: Same House, Nassau, New York
RESIDENT ON FARM IN 1935: No
CITIZENSHIP: Naturalized
SHEET NUMBER: 10B
NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLD IN ORDER OF VISITATION: 246
OCCUPATION: Housewife
ATTENDED SCHOOL OR COLLEGE: No
HIGHEST GRADE COMPLETED: Elementary school, 8th grade
INCOME OTHER SOURCES: No
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Kaiser
Junior member
Norway
39 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2018 : 19:50:17
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| This the man and his wife. Thank you very much. What have I learned today? They had no children and the wife was a Swedish national. No more unanswerd questions here thanks to you! |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
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Kaiser
Junior member
Norway
39 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 15:11:58
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| Hello jkmarler - yes thank you for your assistance but I'm awfully sorry I wasn't able to enlighten the keyboard detectives that I'm seeking post Norway information on the demise of Gudrun Sofie Vieille born Gulbrandsen. In USA the Vieilles got problems. Son Albert ended in fostercare and maybe the couple divorced. I'm wondering what happend to Gudrun Sofie? Did she live on with Julius Vieille and had more children? Did she repatriate to Norway? Didi she start a new life with a new man and had more children? This is the unanswered excitement for the time being and I'll be very happy to receive information on these issues. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 16:10:36
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Okay so where did you get your information? Where in US did the son Albert live?
Albert Vielle is not a common name. I found two but not much about either. One was quite a bit older than even Gudrun so I think he could be eliminated the other lived in Maine and was married to Bertha Carter. |
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Kaiser
Junior member
Norway
39 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 16:21:35
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| Her man was Julius Constant Vieille maybe of French origin. They had a son dentist Albert C Vieille who married Irene Vieille and Geraldin Vieille born Gutterson. Albert C fathered 2 sons Richard and pilot Robert who died during service in the WWII. Hope this can help you. As I said Albert ended in fostercare and lost all knowledge of his parents. Gudrun Sofie might have died in 1932 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 16:41:16
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Okay so you filled in some additional detail, still doesn't answer the question where did the information you have come from if Albert C lost all knowledge of his origins.
Vielle could be French or French speaking Swiss or about a half dozen derivations.
This Gertrude Gutterson?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2GX-98P
Or this Geraldine Gutterson?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MV2C-B8T
Or this Geraldine Gutterson:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9GC-KPB
This one for sure:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XL4K-F2H
Here in 1920 census:
Name Elbert C Vielle
Event Type Census
Event Date 1920
Event Place Inglewood, Los Angeles, California, United States
Gender Male
Age 28
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race (Original) White
Can Read Yes
Can Write Yes
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Head
Own or Rent Own
Birth Year (Estimated) 1892
Birthplace California
Father's Birthplace France
Mother's Birthplace Norway
Sheet Letter B
Sheet Number 2
Elbert C Vielle Head M 28 California
Geraldine Vielle Wife F 29 California
David C Vielle Son M 0 California
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1920," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MHQH-GZH : accessed 13 February 2018), Elbert C Vielle, Inglewood, Los Angeles, California, United States; citing ED 59, sheet 2B, line 78, family 54, NARA microfilm publication T625 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1992), roll 103; FHL microfilm 1,820,103.
A sister to Albert:
Name Vielle
Event Type Birth
Event Date 24 Jan 1893
Event Place Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California, United States
Event Place (Original)Los Angeles
Gender Female
Father's Name Constant Vielle
Mother's Name Guthron
Citing this Record
"California, County Birth and Death Records, 1800-1994," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGL7-H4W1 : 18 January 2018), Vielle, 24 Jan 1893; citing Birth, Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California, United States, California State Archives, Sacramento. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 13/02/2018 16:59:32 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 17:07:57
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Gudrun S Vielle
mentioned in the record of James H Buchanan and Gudrun S Vielle
Name
James H Buchanan
Event Type
Marriage
Event Date
05 Aug 1903
Event Place
Los Angeles, California, United States
Gender
Male
Age
27
Birth Year (Estimated)
1876
Spouse's Name
Gudrun S Vielle
Spouse's Age
30
Spouse's Gender
Female
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated)
1873
Citing this Record
"California, County Marriages, 1850-1952," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XL48-1HS : 8 December 2017), James H Buchanan and Gudrun S Vielle, 05 Aug 1903; citing Los Angeles, California, United States, county courthouses, California; FHL microfilm 1,033,239.
Name
Gudrun S Buchanan
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1920
Event Place
Los Angeles Assembly District 71, Los Angeles, California, United States
Gender
Female
Age
39
Marital Status
Married
Race
White
Race (Original)
White
Can Read
Yes
Can Write
Yes
Relationship to Head of Household
Wife
Relationship to Head of Household (Original)
Wife
Birth Year (Estimated)
1881
Birthplace
Norway
Immigration Year
1888
Father's Birthplace
Norway
Mother's Birthplace
Norway
Sheet Letter
B
Sheet Number
14
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
James H Buchanan
Head
M
43
Indiana
Gudrun S Buchanan
Wife
F
39
Norway
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1920," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MHQR-GGQ : accessed 13 February 2018), Gudrun S Buchanan in household of James H Buchanan, Los Angeles Assembly District 71, Los Angeles, California, United States; citing ED 284, sheet 14B, line 75, family 331, NARA microfilm publication T625 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1992), roll 110; FHL microfilm 1,820,110.
Gudrun S Buchanan's FAG:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47483384
A curious date of migration 1911:
Gudrun S Buchanan
United States Census, 1930
Name
Gudrun S Buchanan
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1930
Event Place
Los Angeles (Districts 0501-0750), Los Angeles, California, United States
Gender
Female
Age
59
Marital Status
Married
Race
White
Race (Original)
White
Relationship to Head of Household
Wife
Relationship to Head of Household (Original)
Wife
Birth Year (Estimated)
1871
Birthplace
Norway
Immigration Year
1911
Father's Birthplace
Norway
Mother's Birthplace
Norway
Sheet Letter
A
Sheet Number
42
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
James H Buchanan
Head
M
53
Indiana
Gudrun S Buchanan
Wife
F
59
Norway
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1930," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XC83-8T7 : accessed 13 February 2018), Gudrun S Buchanan in household of James H Buchanan, Los Angeles (Districts 0501-0750), Los Angeles, California, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) ED 616, sheet 42A, line 9, family 10, NARA microfilm publication T626 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 2002), roll 158; FHL microfilm 2,339,893. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 13/02/2018 17:14:22 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 17:15:59
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Maybe the same Albert but the father is wrong?
Albert C Vieille
in the U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925
Name: Albert C Vieille
Age: 29
Birth Date: 19 Sep 1891
Birth Place: Los Angeles, California
Residence Place: Los Angeles, California
Passport Issue Date: 3 Feb 1921
Father: Constanc Vieille
Has Photo: Yes
Occupation is Dentist and father is deceased and was born in France.
Albert Constant Vieille
in the California, Death Index, 1940-1997
Name: Albert Constant Vieille
Social Security #: 564545211
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 19 Sep 1891
Birth Place: Other Country
Death Date: 27 Mar 1982
Death Place: Orange
Mother's Maiden Name: Gulbrandsen |
Edited by - AntonH on 13/02/2018 17:19:28 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 17:25:49
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Gudrun S Vielle
in the California, County Birth, Marriage, and Death Records, 1849-1980
Name: Gudrun S Vielle
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 30
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1873
Birth Place: Norway
Marriage Date: 5 Aug 1903
Marriage Place: Pasadena, California, USA
Spouse: James A Buchanan |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 17:44:43
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| There are two articles at genealogybank.com from the Los Angeles Herald about a Constantin Vielle. One published on 31 Dec 1892 concerning Constantin's conviction of carrying concealed firearms. The other is a news story about C Vielle from 1905 about a robbery at his café. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
9301 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 17:59:32
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Where was she in 1900 Census. Here is a long shot.
1900 |
Edited by - AntonH on 13/02/2018 17:59:59 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
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Kaiser
Junior member
Norway
39 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 19:13:59
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| A small comment to jkmarker before I give you all credit for your valuable help: I came across a letter from the dentist Vieille to Sverre Gulbrandsen in Norway where he gave a summary of his life in multiple foster homes. The demise of his parents he knew nothing about. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7790 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2018 : 19:25:42
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| Okay. Well to draw some additional ties to the Gudrun Buchanan, do you know when her father died and have you looked at his dødsfallsprotokol? It might have her name and location. As it is, why was Albert writing to Sverre Gulbrandsen, anyway? |
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The Gulbrandsen's in USA
