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Tammysmith
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 Posted - 01/04/2019 : 23:18:24
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Scotty didnt beam them over!!!!!!!
- My G-Grandmother is Signe Gurine Torkildsen (married a Christiansen) Born 1879 in Christiana, Norway......Confirmation 1896 Brooklyn NY
- Signe's mom, Jacobine Caroline Dahl Born 1834 Larvik, Norway, dies 1899 Brooklyn NY
- Signe's dad, Lars Gunerius Torkildsen born 1834 Akershus, Oslo Norway.......MYSTERY! Last know to physically exist is on another daughters confirmation, 1883, Akershus Norway.
I cant find how the women got from Norway to the US, therefore, I cant find out if Lars died prior to them sailing, during, or in the US. My sleuthing has them sailing between 1883 and 1896. Plase help!
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jkmarler
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Posted - 02/04/2019 : 00:06:28
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Probably the death record for Jacobine you mentioned as found at the Italian Genealogical Group search engine:
1289986 Torkildsen Jacobine 63 y Apr 18 1899 6597 Kings T624
and another Jacobine Thorkilsen who was cremated:
24266 Thorkildsen Jacobine 22299 Jun 15 1921 C Fresh Pond Crematory N T624 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 02/04/2019 02:33:51 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/04/2019 : 01:26:47
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Further information on the Signe found by Jackie leaving in 1895
Signe M Larsen
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Signe M Larsen
Gender: Male
Age: 15
Birth Date: abt 1880
Departure Date: 5 Jun 1895
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Majestic
Signi M Larsen
in the New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Signi M Larsen
Arrival Date: 12 Jun 1895
Birth Date: abt 1880
Age: 15
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Majestic
She lists Brooklyn as her destination. The people around her do not seem to fit any of the names the OP has given. |
Edited by - AntonH on 02/04/2019 01:34:46 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/04/2019 : 01:38:41
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Further information on the Jacobine Torkildsen found by Jackie
Jakobine Torhildsen
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969
Name: Jakobine Torhildsen
Record Type: Burial
Birth Place: Laurvig N
Death Date: 18 Apr 1899
Burial Date: 19 Apr 1899
Father: Christian Dahl
Mother: Susanne Dahl
Church Name: Our Saviour's Lutheran
Church Location: Brooklyn, New York |
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Tammysmith
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Posted - 02/04/2019 : 01:40:33
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Thank you
I did check your suggestions from Digitalrkivet and none of those are my ancestors.
How ever, you did find the correct Jacobine , "Probably the death record for Jacobine you mentioned as found at the Italian Genealogical Group search engine:
1289986 Torkildsen Jacobine 63 y Apr 18 1899 6597 Kings T624"
I have so much information on both sides of the ocean, births-deaths-marriages-family associated with them that aren't in my genealogy-i even know where most are burried/cemetary. I can even figure out how Signe met her second husband by US citizen and Navy records, but how they got here.......? Or more specifically when?
I looked through emigration records of the two churches they are associated with in Norway, nothing. I've searched for known family who immigrated here in case their names were mixed up during travel. I have literally read both NY church books the women are associated with. Is there a way to access the Oslo police immigration records, without going through Digitalarkivet? thats one place I havent searched. |
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Tammysmith
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Posted - 02/04/2019 : 01:43:07
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Further information on the Jacobine Torkildsen found by Jackie
Jakobine Torhildsen
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969
Name: Jakobine Torhildsen
Record Type: Burial
Birth Place: Laurvig N
Death Date: 18 Apr 1899
Burial Date: 19 Apr 1899
Father: Christian Dahl
Mother: Susanne Dahl
Church Name: Our Saviour's Lutheran
Church Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Tammysmith
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Posted - 02/04/2019 : 01:52:14
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Lyndal40
that is most definitely the right Jacobine. So far, all other suggestions are not them. Jacobine and Signe are both buried at Green Wood cemetery, NY.
Signe's first husband, not my g grandfather, was from Trondheim . He came over in 1886 and joined the Navy in 1890. Signe's, husband #1 and #2 were friends with and lived, and were friends with, a hotel, owned by a man who has witnessed both husbands citizendhip papers.
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jkmarler
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Tammysmith
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Posted - 02/04/2019 : 02:07:27
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jkmarler
Yes! That is them! Not sure who Sofie is yet, but another new clue! |
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AntonH
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Posted - 02/04/2019 : 02:21:02
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What credence do you put in the emigration year of 1880 that is listed in the 1910 Census.
Name: Sigma Christiansen
[Sigina Christiansen]
Age in 1910: 31
Birth Year: abt 1879
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1910: Brooklyn Ward 8, Kings, New York
Street: 54th Street
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1880
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital status: Married
Spouse's name: Martin Christiansen
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Native Tongue: English
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Years Married: 5
Number of Children Born: 2
Number of Children Living: 2 |
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jkmarler
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Tammysmith
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Posted - 02/04/2019 : 02:52:03
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lyndal40
The 1910 census, which is the correct Signe and my g grandfather, I started on for my search. Then, on Martins citizenship papers there were other dates 1881 and somewhere else, 1883. Then I find Signes sister, Laura, had a confirmation in Norway in 1883, which cancels out anything prior to 1883.
Her first husband was John Henry Mathisen and they married in 1899. the 1900 census of Brooklyn has a Signia Mathisen bording with a family...husband not living there.....not sure what to make of this. He was 9 years in the Navy, serving in the Spanish American war, and died in 1904. A different immigration date on there. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 02/04/2019 : 03:13:57
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Good find by Jackie. Here is the arrival of Jacobine and Signe in 1887
Josefine Thorkeldsen
in the Massachusetts, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1963
Name: Josefine Thorkeldsen
Gender: Female
Age: 50
Birth Date: abt 1837
Departure Place: Queenstown Ireland and Liverpool England, Ireland and Liverpool England
Arrival Date: 23 Jul 1887
Arrival Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Ship: Catalonia
If you have access to Ancestry.com you can see that several other passengers leaving at the same time as Jacobine and Signe are on this ship. Here is a link to a list of some of the passengers.
Link
Abstracter listed Signe as
Sevin Thorkeldsen
in the Massachusetts, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1963
Name: Sevin Thorkeldsen
Gender: Female
Age: 4
Birth Date: abt 1883
Departure Place: Queenstown Ireland and Liverpool England, Ireland and Liverpool England
Arrival Date: 23 Jul 1887
Arrival Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Ship: Catalonia
Two new mysteries for you, why the home city as Stavanger and why listed as going to Chicago? |
Edited by - AntonH on 02/04/2019 03:30:16 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 02/04/2019 : 03:41:56
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I just noticed that there is a Laura Thorkilds. two entries above Jakobine. on the emigration list. She is age 18, would that be the other daughter of Jacobine?
Here is her arrival record
Laura Thockedsen
in the Massachusetts, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1963
Name: Laura Thockedsen
Gender: Female
Age: 17
Birth Date: abt 1870
Departure Place: Queenstown Ireland and Liverpool England, Ireland and Liverpool England
Arrival Date: 23 Jul 1887
Arrival Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Ship: Catalonia
On the same page as Jakobine but down the page a little
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Tammysmith
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Posted - 02/04/2019 : 15:30:51
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lyndal40
-Thank you for finding those records, but Im very confused. The records you copied into your message are for the SS Catalonia. The two females, Josefine and Sevin, vs Jacobine and Signe are from Finland instead of Norway, and going to Boston.
- The Link you supplied goes to - http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=97631&merk=97631#ovre
I believe the names are correct, wrong, but close, ages and going to Chicago. The ship is the Rollo.......I think that is them. I agree that its a mystery as to why Stavanger, but to start solving the mystery, I have desperately tried all night to get the passenger list from the Rollo and Chicago and have failed..............do you have any suggestions for me? |
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AntonH
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Posted - 02/04/2019 : 17:13:59
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Sorry Tammy, The Rollo is a feeder ship that travelled from Norway to ports in England and Ireland where the passengers from Norway boarded a much larger ocean going vessel such as the Catalonia. Going to Boston is a little unusual but some passengers from England went to New York, or Boston or Philadelphia and even to Quebec.
Where did you see the reference to Finland |
Edited by - AntonH on 02/04/2019 17:15:54 |
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Signe Thorkildsen, Lars Torkildsen, Jacobine Dahl
