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AntonH
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 Posted - 16/07/2020 : 20:24:53
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Here are the baptism records for the people of interest from Stokke.
Martine Nikolaisen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927Name: Martine Nikolaisen
[Martine Jonassen]
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 28 okt 1855 (28 Oct 1855)
Baptism Place: , Stokke , Vestfold, Norway
Father: Niclas Jonassen
Mother: Oliana Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 278253
Nr. 98
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051018010157
Ole Nikolaisen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Ole Nikolaisen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 23 apr 1853
Baptism Date: 3 mai 1853 (3 May 1853)
Baptism Place: , Stokke, Vestfold, Norway
Father: Niclas Jonasen
Mother: Oleana Olesdr
FHL Film Number: 278253
Nr. 66
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051018010130
Note the transcribed record is incorrect. The baptism date is 3 July 1853 not May.
Leonhard Nikolaisen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Leonhard Nikolaisen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 17 mar 1861
Baptism Place: , Stokke , Vestfold, Norway
Father: Nicolaus Jonasen
Mother: Oleana Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 278253
Nr. 25
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051018010597
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Edited by - AntonH on 16/07/2020 21:15:24 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 16/07/2020 : 20:34:33
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In Moss Østfold, here are the people of interest.
Martine Nikolaisen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Martine Nikolaisen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 9 mai 1851 (9 May 1851)
Baptism Date: 29 jun 1851
Baptism Place: Rygge ,Ostfold,Norway
Father: Nicolai Torgersen
Mother: Inger Gundersdr
FHL Film Number: 255784
Based on the records on page one, this Martine is daughter of Nicolai Torgersen and the wife of Anders Klausen and the mother of Martha Elida.
However there is no Ole born in Østfold with a parent named Nicolai Torgersen in the years 1850 to 1859.
It is unlikely that the Martine from Moss Østfold married to Anders Klause is a relative of Ole Nikolaisen (spelling is flexible).
The Martine related to Ole is the Martine found by Jackie on page one.
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Edited by - AntonH on 16/07/2020 21:17:05 |
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AntonH
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billhughes
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Posted - 16/07/2020 : 23:09:41
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| Lyndal The one you quote married to Anders Klausen is the one I found. All I can tell you she was born 1855 in Stokke. Do Norwegian wedding certificates give parents names ? If there are 2 Martine Nikolasdatter Ive no idea how to work out which one is which..Also geographically Vestfold and Ostfold are only across Oslo Fford from each other . On rechecking Ole wedding cert in 1886 his father is listed as a builder. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 16/07/2020 : 23:45:21
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According to the original marriage record the Martine who married Anders Klausen was born about 1851 in Rygge, Parish, The marriage record gives her father's name as Nikolai Torgersen.
I have given you the link to the original record but here it is again. Click on the link and it will take you to the page where the record is. Look at record number 11.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060928020263
The birth year can be calculated from the age given in the record. The age is listed as 22. That gives a birth year of 1851. That does not match well with the year you posted above of 1855. You also say that she was born in Stokke. The original record says that the Martine who married Anders Klausen was born in Rygge Parish, Vestfold, not Stokke.
The Ancestry record above gives her birth date as 9 May 1851. A good match to the marriage record.
Here is her original record. Click on the link and look at number 35
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060321020974
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Edited by - AntonH on 16/07/2020 23:56:13 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 16/07/2020 : 23:47:42
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Here is a scan of the important parts of the record.
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The box right after her name gives her birth location as Rygge followed by some word and then likely her birth date of 9/5. The last box gives her father's name as Some unreadable occupation followed by Nikolai Torgersen. |
Edited by - AntonH on 16/07/2020 23:52:09 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 17/07/2020 : 00:05:27
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If you want a Martine born in 1855 in Stokke with father named some version of Nikolai, then you need to look at
Martine Nikolaisen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927Name: Martine Nikolaisen
[Martine Jonassen]
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 28 okt 1855 (28 Oct 1855)
Baptism Place: , Stokke , Vestfold, Norway
Father: Niclas Jonassen
Mother: Oliana Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 278253
Nr. 98
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051018010157
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AntonH
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Posted - 17/07/2020 : 00:09:42
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| Question for you is, Why do you think that you have an "An ancestor was born 1886 in Moss Ostfold but I cannot find any more information". Is it only because she is the daughter of a Martine? Or is there perhaps a Family Tree you are looking at? |
Edited by - AntonH on 17/07/2020 00:13:46 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 17/07/2020 : 00:29:14
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Here is the marriage record of Niclas Jonasen and Oliana Olsdatter. His father's name was Jonas Nielsen.
Niclas Jonasen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Niclas Jonasen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 3 jul 1853
Marriage Place: Stokke ,Vestfold,Norway
Father: Jonas Nielsen
Spouse: Oliana Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 278253
Nr. 13
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051018010342
Looking at the record it shows the birth place of Niclas as Sillirud, Varmland in Sweden.That would be Sillirud Parish,
Värmland County.
Age is given as 41. Birth year would be about 1812 which fits the census data.
Also his fathers name is Jonas Nielsen Norane. Having the farm name can be useful. |
Edited by - AntonH on 17/07/2020 00:45:36 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 17/07/2020 : 00:59:04
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I do find a Niclas Jonasen (or Swedish equivalent Niclas Jonasson) born in Svanskog Parish. Svanskog is shown next to Sillirud and two may have been joined at one time.
Niclas Jonasson
in the Sweden, Select Baptisms, 1611-1920
Name: Niclas Jonasson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 jan 1812
Baptism Date: 12 jan 1812
Baptism Place: Svanskog, Varmland, Sweden
Father: Jonas Nilsson
Mother: Marta Nilsdr
FHL Film Number: 82109
Reference ID: 2:KLHMF7
Here is a scan of the original record.
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Edited by - AntonH on 17/07/2020 01:42:23 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 17/07/2020 : 01:41:02
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An interesting point is that Niclas appears to have moved to Norway in 1850.
Niklas Jonasson
in the Sweden, Emigrants Registered in Church Books, 1783-1991
Name: Niklas Jonasson
Gender: Man (Male)
Birth Date: 11 jan 1812
Birth Place: Svanskog, Värmland
Departure Date: 30 mar 1850
Departure Place: Sillerud, Värmland
Arrival Place: Norge (Norway)
Occupation or Relation: Dräng
Marital status: Unmarried (Single)
Notes: Travels alone
Page: 7
Original Page: 322
Source: Sillerud Hfl 1841-1845
Household Members:
Name
Niklas Jonasson
And here is the record of same Niclas Jonason born Jan 11, 1812 arriving in Stokke Parish, Vestfold.
He is listed as arriving from Nordene (probably same as Norane in Sweden}. Sillirud parish, Värmland.
Number 7
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051018010414 |
Edited by - AntonH on 17/07/2020 01:52:28 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 17/07/2020 : 02:12:55
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The marriage record for Niclas Jonasen and Oliana Olsdatter gives her father's name as Ole Borgersen. This is likely the baptism record for her.
Oleana Olsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Oleana Olsen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 6 jun 1821
Baptism Date: 16 jun 1821
Baptism Place: , Notteroy, Vestfold, Norway
Father: Ole Borgersen
Mother: Helvig Larsdr
FHL Film Number: 127636
Nr. 36
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070426640698 |
Edited by - AntonH on 17/07/2020 02:20:11 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 17/07/2020 : 02:27:33
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Ole Borgersen married his wife Helvig Larsdatter in 1810 in Stokke.
Ole Borgersen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Ole Borgersen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 9 nov 1810
Marriage Place: Stokke,Vestfold,Norway
Spouse: Helvig Larsdr
FHL Film Number: 127651
Second record left page.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070426610744
Names are Ole Borgersen Kongsteyen and Helvig Larsdatter Haslestad
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000000581326
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Edited by - AntonH on 17/07/2020 02:39:40 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 17/07/2020 : 02:58:04
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Going further back in time takes at times some guess work. In the marriage record for Helvig Larsen and Ole Borgersen one of the witnesses is a Hans Larsen. Also in the marriage record Helvig has the farm name of Haslestad. On Haslestad in 1801 is a Hans Larsen with parents Lars Hansen and Anne Nielsdatter. Perhaps Hans Larsen is a brother of Helvig Larsdatter.
Here is a baptism record for Helvig Larsdatter born in 1782 in Stokke. Parents are Lars Hansen and Anne Nielsdatter. Same parents as we found for Hans Larsen on the farm Haslestad in the 1801 Census.
Helvig Larsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Helvig Larsen
[Helvig Hansen]
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 14 jul 1782
Baptism Place: , Stokke , Vestfold, Norway
Father: Lars Hansen
Mother: Anne Nielsdr
FHL Film Number: 127651
First record left page
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070426610572 |
Edited by - AntonH on 17/07/2020 03:01:44 |
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ToreL
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Posted - 17/07/2020 : 12:20:26
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| I read Nikolai Torgersen's occupation (nine posts up) as Skibstømmermann. |
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