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jkmarler
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Posted - 07/02/2023 :  23:43:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AntonH

Not only are the order of births different but the dates for the baptism are different? Same thing was noticed for Else.

Gurd Evelyn #20

born Dec 24 and baptized March 3

Gurd Evelyn # 5

born Dec 24 and baptized Jan 12.



Per Tore's explanation perhaps the other date in the Fodselsregister is the date the birth is reported rather than a baptismal date?
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AntonH
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Posted - 08/02/2023 :  00:45:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You might be onto something there as the columns are headed differently. One is headed Daabs Datum the other is headed Meldings Datum.

3/24 Daabs Datum ie March 30

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050203010446

1/12 Meldings Datum ie Jan 12

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051025051065

Edited by - AntonH on 08/02/2023 00:46:43
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 09/02/2023 :  01:20:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by jkmarler

Here is his page at Sjohistorie site:
https://www.sjohistorie.no/no/sjofolk/440205/

And his newspaper death notice (no Else):
https://www.nb.no/items/ad7893723c5dbb04d7da9a66f92bc206?page=5&searchText=%22erik%20eriksen%20berglund%22

His death certificate:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89SV-GSTP?i=871&cc=2001287&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQPWT-P7GZ

About hypoplastic heart disease:
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/heartdefects/hlhs.html



What a great find! This explains the difficulties of finding it!

quote:
Originally posted by AntonH

quote:
Here is his page at Sjohistorie site:
https://www.sjohistorie.no/no/sjofolk/440205/


Nice work Jackie. I guess since there is a picture of him I have to agree the man did exist.





We still didn't find Erik's baptism or Else's death entry correct? I assume she died between 1924 (Ole's death notice) and Erik's death notice in 1945. And Erik was not mentioned in Ole's death notice either. Why?

Edited by - dylankylesimon on 09/02/2023 01:39:41
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/02/2023 :  02:40:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And searching online for actual death records of Else in Norway will be limited by the restrictions of the privacy aspects of the adoption law.

I personally looked for her death from her birthdate to the birthdate of her next in line sibling in the same parish register that her birth / baptism was in and was unable to find. And of course confirmations if Else did live that long are not available for dates after 1934.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/02/2023 :  03:29:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This from the CDC on hypoplastic heart disease about associated conditions:

"Some common genetic syndromes associated with HLHS include Turner syndrome, Noonan syndrome and the common trisomies."

Turner syndrome is this per Mayo Clinic:

"Turner syndrome, a condition that affects only females, results when one of the X chromosomes (sex chromosomes) is missing or partially missing. Turner syndrome can cause a variety of medical and developmental problems, including short height, failure of the ovaries to develop and heart defects."

UK NHS has this:


"A girl with Turner syndrome only has 1 normal X sex chromosome, rather than the usual 2 (XX).

Everyone is born with 23 pairs of chromosomes. One pair of chromosomes, the sex chromosomes, determines the baby's gender.

1 sex chromosome comes from the father and 1 from the mother. The mother's contribution is always an X chromosome. The father's contribution can either be an X or a Y chromosome.

A baby girl usually has 2 X chromosomes (XX), and boys have an X and a Y chromosome (XY). A female with Turner syndrome is missing part or all of 1 sex chromosome. This means she has just 1 complete X chromosome.

The Y chromosome determines "maleness", so if it's missing, as in Turner syndrome, the sex of the child will invariably be female.

This chromosome variation happens randomly when the baby is conceived in the womb. It is not linked to the mother's age.

The syndrome can either be described as:

classic Turner syndrome – where 1 of the X chromosomes is completely missing
mosaic Turner syndrome – in most cells, 1 X chromosome is complete and the other is partially missing or incomplete in some way, but in some cells there may be just 1 X chromosome or, rarely, 2 complete X chromosomes "

Not sure where I'm going with this but what if the birth defect which killed Erik had other manifestations in the reproductive system as well?



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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 09/02/2023 :  05:09:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

This from the CDC on hypoplastic heart disease about associated conditions:

"Some common genetic syndromes associated with HLHS include Turner syndrome, Noonan syndrome and the common trisomies."

Turner syndrome is this per Mayo Clinic:

"Turner syndrome, a condition that affects only females, results when one of the X chromosomes (sex chromosomes) is missing or partially missing. Turner syndrome can cause a variety of medical and developmental problems, including short height, failure of the ovaries to develop and heart defects."

UK NHS has this:


"A girl with Turner syndrome only has 1 normal X sex chromosome, rather than the usual 2 (XX).

Everyone is born with 23 pairs of chromosomes. One pair of chromosomes, the sex chromosomes, determines the baby's gender.

1 sex chromosome comes from the father and 1 from the mother. The mother's contribution is always an X chromosome. The father's contribution can either be an X or a Y chromosome.

A baby girl usually has 2 X chromosomes (XX), and boys have an X and a Y chromosome (XY). A female with Turner syndrome is missing part or all of 1 sex chromosome. This means she has just 1 complete X chromosome.

The Y chromosome determines "maleness", so if it's missing, as in Turner syndrome, the sex of the child will invariably be female.

This chromosome variation happens randomly when the baby is conceived in the womb. It is not linked to the mother's age.

The syndrome can either be described as:

classic Turner syndrome – where 1 of the X chromosomes is completely missing
mosaic Turner syndrome – in most cells, 1 X chromosome is complete and the other is partially missing or incomplete in some way, but in some cells there may be just 1 X chromosome or, rarely, 2 complete X chromosomes "

Not sure where I'm going with this but what if the birth defect which killed Erik had other manifestations in the reproductive system as well?




I would say that is definitely reasonable to me, considering all aspects.
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