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hjemmet
Junior member
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 Posted - 15/04/2007 : 04:41:20
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Wow! I am speechless. Hopkins may be a [very!] distant kin, and Kåre documented my known line back to 1748 and employment to the Crown! Now with two “carrots on a stick”... finding my Hem farm relatives in the 1650's when Hopkins' antecedents lived in the same place , and hopefully even making a link to that fascinating ancient Hem group, I will indeed be busy. Thank goodness I am retired! What absolutely wonderful stories about real people who lived 250 years ago. Kåre, thanks for the links and for translating these items for me. You both are wonderful. I will call my mom in Massachusetts early tomorrow to share this adventure!
There is no way to adequately thank you. But if you would permit me I would love to share a couple of homemade CD's with you. Almost ten years ago I performed with Crossties, an acoustic folk trio and I still love the little CD we self-produced. Also, last year as a duo “Bob & Ellie” we made a beautiful Christmas CD. We perform a lot locally, we're certainly not ever going to be famous, but we are respected in our local region. If you might like this kind of music, email me personally with a mailing address and I will share something with you as you have with me and post them off to you. I am going to be floating for days with elation.
Mangen mangen tusan takk,
Ellie Hem Hjemmet |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2007 : 14:20:05
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1. Invest in good Norwegian-English dictionary.
2. Find a genealogy software program that suits you (there are even perfectly suitable ones available free for download - a good deal IF you find they suit your personal style - you can 'upgrade' later and the information will be transferable).
3. Start your 'documentation' of the family you find and the interesting sidelight information about places where they lived. VERIFY as much as you can and make certain you clearly indicate what items you collected that had a LOW level of surety. You'll want to work on those again later when you're more experienced.
4. Staying well organized is the constant and ongoing challenge to those of us addicted to this hobby. Even with computer programs, scanners, PDF and JPG, etc. stacks and sometimes mountains of papers and notes will magically gather around you. You might find available file cabinet drawer, a plastic 'milk crate', strong cardboard boxes - ANYTHING - just make your best efforts to stay organized and ahead of total confusion.
4. Also try to keep your Internet 'bookmarks' or 'favorite places' organized to some extent. You'll end up with LOTS of them.
A few additional Internet bookmarks from my collection of favorites -
Norway links from Cyndi's List
'Lookup' volunteers --
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wgnorway/lookups.html
http://www.rootsweb.com/~bwo/
http://www.rootsweb.com/~norway/lookups.html
And ALL the useful Links and Articles available on this website such as:
Børge's "Those Norwegian names"
Follesdal's articles
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 15/04/2007 : 16:58:08
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Hi Hjemmet (Hem/Home),
Medheia comes from the older Midtheien, it means "the ridge betwen" Sandsvær and Heddal, most dressed with Pine.
Ingeborg is mentioned as Toresdatter and Olsdatter, but in all church records so fare her name is spelled Toresdatter.
She was born 1792 on farm Tovsrud in Heddal /Hiterdal, married Ener Johanesen on farm Finnemyr, Medheien who worked as a Stiger (Foreman) in the silvermines in Kongsberg 1624-1957.
When Ener died 1834 Ingeborg and her four daughters moved to Heddal where she 1834 married Sveinung Sveinungsen from Vreim /Vatnar in Bø parish and they moved to Sauherad and bought one of the Hem farms named Østistugu Hem.
Her daughter Johanne married Hans Sigurdesen Hem (both mentioned abowe) and he baught 50% of Hem Lille (Little Hem) also named as Midtgarden-Central Hem and Loftstuen /Stabburs Hem, to expand his own farm Norigarden (Nothern farm) Hem.
Johannes Ellefsen 1748-1810 http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=99&filnamn=SVDP1755&gardpostnr=398&merk=398#ovre , silver-miner on farm Kjerringmyr- Medheia was son of Ellef Johannsen 1714-84, silver-miner and farmer on Søndre (Southern) Medheien and Tora Olsdatter Medheia 1713-88.
Tora Olsdatter born on farm Moen-Meheia was daughter of:
Ole Thomassen Meheia b. about 1675-died 17767 and Kari b.about 1673- died 1763 (unknown last name), five children,they lived on farm Barmen 1762, Norht of Kongsberg town, about 12-15 miles from Meheia.
The probate after Ole held 1767 on farm Mogen on Mehaia was Brutto:105, netto: 85 Riksdaler
Source: Sandsværs Historie, Bygdebok for Sauherad and Digitalarkivet.
Østistugu Hem and later Hem Lille was owned by Jacob F. V. Zernichov, lieutenant-colonel in Eidangerske compay in Telemark Regiment, was sold close before he died in 1810 , he was father to Anne Jacobsdatter, my G.G. mother born in a cabin named Aashildsbu on Hem Lille Nov. 1801.
I am not related to earlier owners on Hem
Solve Ormarson and his wife Margarete Bjørnesdatter mentioned abowe, change land in Sept. 1399 or 1400. "two men announce, that Salve Ormssøn, Maritte Bjarnesdatter and their son Aanund change land with Thorgeir Lidvordssøn"
http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst.prl?b=6088&s=n&str=
Hedenstad kirke: http://www.kongsberg.kommune.no/kultur/gater/data/hedenstad_kirke.htm
Sauherad kirke: http://home.online.no/~nilsneri/kirker/historie/sauherad.htm
Picture nr 4 "Den gamle brudestolen", The Bride and the Bridegromm´s chair
Enter http://kart.finn.no/ and write Sauherad (kirke=church) in the window and enter "søk", (fjernn nmerkelapp...remove mark..)zoom out three times, North you will find Hjuksebø. Dobbelclick just across the lake and you will find Hem. Navigte, and watch several Hem farms, change to satelitt.....
The same goes for Hedestad and Meheia.
Kåre, perhaps also a Hjemmet (in spe) |
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hjemmet
Junior member
USA
32 Posts |
Posted - 16/04/2007 : 05:22:51
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Kåre, it looks like your Anne Jacobsdatter and my Hans Sigurdsen Hem could possibly have known each other! That is just amazing! Could we indeed be distant kin!
Last night I printed the 1801-telling (from Digitalarkivet) for Hem Lille and Hem Nordre looking for the possibility of some of my people. Because of your research, I believe I do have my people at Hem Nordre, Hans Sigursen is only 3 years old! And the Hem Lille (1801-telling) has your Jacob Fridr. V. Zernichov at age 48!
I also printed the 1801-telling for Hem Soendre. I notice the Gaardbruger at that household is Hans Hansen, age 60. Are these people also related to my line? I ask because the name "Hans" is so common in this lineage.
I wasn't able to "tour" Sauherad with the www.kart.finn.no link and see our Hem farms. I will try again when I can use my son's computer and a good wireless connection. I tried to download Google Earth as an alternative and found it would take over 3 hours on my slow connection! I can't wait to take that electronic trip! The kirke photos are beautiful, and already give me a bit of idea what that country is like.. How delightful to actually see photos of churches my ancestors were married in. I love the Bride and Bridefroom's Chair! When all this information comes together we will have a really special family book.
Thank you, tusen takk, once more.
Ellie
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hjemmet
Junior member
USA
32 Posts |
Posted - 16/04/2007 : 08:26:36
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IHopkins, I know just what you mean! Today I have a heap of papers in front of my computer about to obscure the bottom of the screen! I am graduating from a narrow file carrier to a plastic "egg carton" and busily creating new files.
I started this geneology project in 2005, buying Family Tree Maker. I upgraded to the 2006 version and had almost 600 names. I was so lost in the researches for Norwegian records I didn't do a thing for over 12 months. With all this help I've been getting this weekend, I'm feeling like a huge success... finding my own great-grandparents' names and more, and so much pertinent information with your help and Kåre's and Jan Peters'. And my skills are growing!
I now have two documents on naming systems, the one from this site and Jon Follesdal's article I had copied in 2005 from RootsWeb.
Cyndy's site is amazingly comprehensive! I will have to wait til our "season" opens up more with music gigs before I can afford memberships to the US geneogy sites. So far, at least I am making progress .
My friend who did a look-up on Hem/Hjemmet (on Ancestry or One World Tree?) and found those Borgar Hems in the 1200-1300's also found a decendent, James Hem of an Oscar and Margaret Hem who lived less than thirty miles from where we grew up in Massachusetts. We did not know of any Hems besides in Brooklyn and New Jersey while I was growing up! I am going to email him and suggest he read these Forum discussions on our Hem/Hjemmet research. Maybe we will all turn out to be "cousins"!
I am having such a good time with this project, thanks to all of you. I may never get a good nights sleep again --it is already 2:30 am!!
Ellie |
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hjemmet
Junior member
USA
32 Posts |
Posted - 16/04/2007 : 08:31:55
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| I do have one more goal I haven't started working on yet, that is, to learn if my Hem line goes back to Denmark in the 1600's as Hjemmet. This is a family story from my dad. Kåre, have you ever seen a source that called these people Hjemmet rather than Hem? |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 16/04/2007 : 18:31:44
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Hi Hjemmet
you are righ about young Sigurd Ellevsen age 17 in the 1801 census, these are your folks
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=2&filnamn=f10822&gardpostnr=5&merk=5#ovre.
Sigurd´s mother Ingeborg Johnsdatter was a widow, born about 1752, also Sigurds four siblings and three servants "tieneste folk" ar listed we mus try to find his father Ellev
Anne knew both Sigurd ,Hans and many of your folks well, she lived on Hem until she married Jens Rollevsen in 1823 and moved a bit further North to Skaate, but her two younger sisters and mother stayed longer on hem.
Jacob got one son and three daughters with Aasil Johanesdatter, she worked on the farm as a maid, they never married but Jacob build Aashildsbu (Aasilds recidence) for them on his farm.
About a Dane related to Hem in Sauherad? If it was he will be mentioned in the local bygdebok, only a look up there later can give an answer to that (it´s five books).
Most people living on Hem back to about 1250 are mentioned in these books, especially back to about 1600 or so.
About the name hjemmet, I thouht it maybe was another Norwegian word for Hem/hjemme/hjemmet means home/at home/my home, but it might have another meaning.
One important thing about ancestry like you has done: Take notes and write down what the eldest in a family, like your father, can tell about their forefathers, names on farms, places etc. even it don´t make any sence at the moment, one day you might find out about of it.
It woulsd surprice me if these people http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=4&filnamn=f10822&gardpostnr=6&merk=6#ovre was not related to Sigurd and his family, bot Hans and Bjørn(Bear) are commom Hem names, save it just in case.
Kåre |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/04/2007 : 22:27:24
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Hi,
Sigurd Hem was born March 7. 1784, bap Sunday 24: Ellev Larsen Hem og Ingebor Jonsdatters Søn Sigurd TB (Godparents) Ole Hougsrud (Haugsrud) Rollev Hem, Hans Hem Margit Hem Liv Hem Svanov Nirisdatter
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7924&idx_id=7924&uid=ny&idx_side=-75
All the Hem farms had belonged to the 1200 people above, some of the farms had been in and out from the family in periodes, but Nordre (Northern) Hem was the main farm in this famly together with Hem Lille.
It must have been a extraordinary Loft or Stabbur well decorated with wood-carving since Hem lille or Midgarden (Central Farm) also was called Loftsgarden.
Kåre
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mjshirley
New on board
USA
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Posted - 24/04/2007 : 19:37:47
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Ellen -
I, too, go back to the Hem ancesters. My great-grandfather Anond Hanson (born 3 Nov 1828) was from Sauherad, Telemark. Anond came to the US in 1850 and settled in WI. His father was Hans Hanson and he originally lived on the Hem farm in Sauherad Parish prior to his marriage. He then lived on the Øen farm. Hans' father was also Hans Hanson and his father's father was also Hans Hanson. This latter Hans Hanson had two children with the last name of Hem and 3 with the last name of Hanson. Norweigen names are really confusing.!!! The 2 Hem children were born about 1788 & 1790.
Does any of this fit??
I'll be anxious to hear more from you.
Mary Hanson Shirley
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 25/04/2007 : 15:15:47
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There was a family on the Sud-Hem (southern part of original Hem farm) with a series of Hans Hansen/Hanson in the naming pattern.
In 1788 that family had a son named Rolleiv/Rollev Hansen who stayed as a resident of the Hem farm(s) and therefore may have been identified with Hem as part of his identification. He had a number of siblings who did not stay on the Hem farm and therefore may have been identified quite differently.
Do you have a website or online location with additional information about your 'Hem' family tree branch? |
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hjemmet
Junior member
USA
32 Posts |
Posted - 25/04/2007 : 20:02:28
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Mary, Hopkins, and Kåre,
I do not YET have my tree on One World Tree but plan to as soon as I clean things up and get good citations. That part is work! Do either of you have yours posted? I presume I can enter what I have and later add to it.
Kåre wrote me that he has a 5th cousin in Washington state whose Hem line goes all the way back to the 1200's whom he has helped. It would be an amazing thing to see this line published and available.
Mary, I was contacted by another Hem, James, in Washington state who had Hem relatives near Worchester, Massachusetts, (Oscar & Margit Wullf Hem) who lived only 30-40 miles from where I grew up and we never knew about them! I am astonished to learn of so many Hem decendents in the US, many of whom might actually be very very very distant relations! James father, Oscar Petersen Hem b. 27 Oct. 1884 was the son of Anton Hem who married Maren. That's all I know, but how interesting. Could you be kin to James? I'll email him again to read this forum and contact you.
Hopkins, I copied all the Hem farms in the 1801 census and saw those Hems (Rollev Hanssonner was then 13) whose names I recognized as possibly godparents of my Sigurd Hem (b. 1784) as Kåre posted in his April 17th post. So many Hans! I figured that meant something. And Kåre urged me to keep it in case we connect. These are likely to be Mary's group, eh? We could guess that Mary's people and mine were kin who lived on different Hem farms. So far I haven't gotten our line back to the 1600's when your people are on Hem. Which Hem farm, or more than one, do your people inhabit?
Are we allowed to call each other cousin yet?!!!
Did you follow Kåre's instructions and "fly" over our homeland? I can't describe what a feeling it was to actually view a satellite image of those Hem farms and know my own bloodline goes back to there.
I have just spent 3 1/2 days in the hospital sitting with my MIL who has Alzheimer's and had a bad fall. She needed constant supervision to keep her from pulling out her IV's and catheters. Cruelest disease in the world. The good part, was having a laptop and great high-speed connection for free at the hospital.. (Mine at home is SLOW!) I travelled all over Norway with Google Earth and Kåre's http:kart.finn.no tool.
Ellie |
Edited by - hjemmet on 28/05/2007 15:54:50 |
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hjemmet
Junior member
USA
32 Posts |
Posted - 25/04/2007 : 20:36:51
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PS
So far I have found the Hem farms named: Hem, Hemb, Haem (that last one on the <http://kart.finn.no> maps), and on the Ellis Island lists our name spelled KEM, HEIM, and HEM. Not to mention all the Hem farms, north, south, east, west and "little cabin". Kåre especially has been helpful to translate and help me keep this all straight. It makes me appreciate the membership star system on this site. The folks with many stars like Jan Peter and Hopkins are "Super Sleuths"! And Kåre will get there soon I know!
Am also curious, since we see these patterns of repeated first names, if Kåre's Jens Rollevsen who married her Anne in 1823 might link with Mary's Hems???
I am still curious if any of you have remembrances of family stories about the Danish connection and the name Hjemmet. I took "Hjemmet" when divorced thinking the name was changed at Ellis Island, only to learn that I had misremembered my dad's stories. And now he's gone and I can't ask more questions. So, I have a fictional name, sort of. I have come to deeply appreciate the HEM I was born as since finding this wonderful Norway Heritage site!! But "Hjemmet" does really make an interesting signature on my drawings and paintings. <VBG>
Ellie |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2007 : 00:49:48
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I probably link back to some of the ancient Hem farm residents but in later years after the farm was more 'subdivided' my direct line appears on the Sud-Hem (south Hem) until about 1675 when my 6th great-grandmother moved to another Telemark district nearby. (I'm not completely satisfied with the surety of my data YET.)
Be very careful of the WorldConnect family tree(s) and at least one or two on other online 'tree' databases which list some of these same 'ancient Hem' people. I've spent some time in the last few days trying to check that information and it has errors in it. I finally tossed it out completely because I found it more confusing to me than helpful. I decided to work my way through parish records, probate files and pertinent bygdeboks, Sauherad, Gransherad, Hitterdal, etc. It will take me time - but this is a long-term hobby not an overnight effort.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 26/04/2007 : 00:53:40
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Hi
The list I gave my 5. cousin was via Aslaug Ormsdatter Hem (Solve Ormarsen´s grand-daughter) mentioned in a Diploma 1528, dead 1548 married to Neri NN dead before 1548, their daughter NN Nerisdatter married Olav Olavsen Tveiten in Heddal mentioned Nov. 28. 1616 when he was taken to court by Olav Engrav who uphold a clime in Tveiten, Olav won the case ( Heddal is a neighbour municipality north of Saude /Sauherad).
I havn´t examined Sauherad Bygdebok about Hem, but this line from about 1250 will likely go back to these days owners, but it might be broken.
Source: Sauherad bygdebok and Hitterdalsboken.
Ellie: Hem and Hjemmet is the same, both names means Home in Norwegian.
Only a look up in the Bygdebok one day can bring an answer to that, first I have to finish my outdoor painting.
Kåre |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 26/04/2007 : 01:22:03
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| Kåre -- Hem (Gnr. 41-43) farm history is in Band II (Vol. II) of the Sauherad books - starting on page 588 of that volume. |
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