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letaoconnor
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 Posted - 19/11/2007 : 00:00:32
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Kare,
Your computer headaches must be fixed. Thank you for the additional information. I was able to fill in a few more blanks with the information you gave me. I haven't started going in Mathea's family direction, because I was so concentrated on finding out more on Anders and Mari. And staying on that one track mind of mine - would you mind looking at the Hole bygbebok again at page 592 and 593, I believe this is the page that Hopkins stated earlier as well. From what I can figure out on page 592, Kristian Borgerson(?) married Mari Johnsdatter, wondering if this could be Jakob's mom?
Then further down on page 593 in Danmark, Anne Nilsen's second marriage was to Johannes Jensen and they had 4 children with Anders their first in 1811. Could you tell me what seinere means - can't find it in the dictionary, but found senere meaning later which just doesn't seem to fit.?
To get back to the Mathea research, do you know of a bygbebok on line for Lier or would it be better for me to contact Halvor for look ups?
Leta
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eibache
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Posted - 19/11/2007 : 08:44:29
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I take the liberty to shed some light on Lars Evensen. In the marriage record it says that he came from Modum Aasid (Which means Aasiden outside Drammen) this is evident from the record of moving to Lier see #16
he then came from Myhre and had an attestation from minister Tandberg in Modum.
Aasiden however is a landparish under Bragernes (Drammen), Lars birth record is #14
his parents being Even Baardsen and Mathea Larsdatter at the Myhre farm.
You will find Evens birth record July 19 1789 next to the last one on the left hand page here
Futher info - look up LDS - Even Baardsen, birth 1789.
By the way - Lier Bygdebok is here |
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Edited by - eibache on 19/11/2007 09:41:23 |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 19/11/2007 : 12:45:53
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That make sence, Åssiden is a part of Drammen town, Modum confused me a bit.
Yes you are right, I should have fixed my computer, need some expert help.
Lier Bygdeboks, 6 band, are online, click on "gårdsregister" = farmregister and "innhold " = contents, all in Norwgian (sorry) when you enter Kirkerud or Sylling down page.
Here are some more from these books.
Anders Gulbrandsen was by a mistak taken to court. The owners wife did abuse her husbands name and the case was closed.
This next is about a contrakt kept on Statsarkivet, you should have had a copy of it, perhaps Ander´s signature exist, it´s a detailed contract containing a lot of information between Anders and the owner, pehaps the author of Lier Bygdebooks has kept a copy?
Here is a short version:
Anders Gulbrandsen had to pay a rent of 6 Riksdaler a year for Båshammer and the hire was to be paid every year on Dec. 24. When he was ordered to work on Kirkerud the salary was 8 Shillind a day exept in the hay making period when he was paid 12 Sh. a day.
Anders parent´s were Gulbrand Eriksen Langjaren also named Sylling eie born about 1722?, he died Mai 19. 1813 (age 86) on Sylling eie (Langjaren). He married 2. time to Marthe Pedersdatter Hvam eie born about 1755, she died 1817 on Sylling eie.
Both Gampedalsengen and Båshammer were sub farms under Kirkerud, Langjaren was a subfarm under Sylling.
Your folks are mentioned down page on Kirkerud
Langjaren, Gulbrand Eriksen and Marte Pedersdatter,see down page on Sylling
Sylling church
Hørte and Svang are located to Lake Holefjorden in the northern part of Lier and both places are mentioned in the Saga from the civil war 1140-1240.
The battle at Hørte bridge 1178 where King Magnus 5. Erlingsson 1156-84 was slightly wounded against king Sverre 1. Sigurdsson 1151-1202 and the battle at Svangstrand 1222 where the upraising King Sigurd (Erlingsson) Ribbung 1204-26 lost against king Håkon 4. Håkonsson 1204-63.
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letaoconnor
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Posted - 19/11/2007 : 16:03:34
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Gampedalenga.
Denne plassen ble fra senest 1850 brukt av Lars Evensen, f. ca. 1818, g.m. Kirsti Andersdtr., f. 1823 på Båshammer u. Kirkerud, d. 1870. Barn: Marta, Mari, Elling, Bolette, Anne Johanne. I 1892 ble Gampedalenga skyldsatt fra bnr. 1 og solgt til Karl Didriksen Sylling.
The above from the Lier records: Please let me know if I am reading this right.
This place was from semest(?) 1850 the farm of Lars Evensen born 1818 married to Kirsti Andersdtter born 1823 on Bashammer farm in Kirkerud and died 1870. Children were Marta, Mari, Elling, Bollete, Anne Johanne. In 1892 Gampedalenga (this is where I lose it, maybe something about taxes) and sold to Karl Didriksen of Sylling.
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letaoconnor
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Posted - 19/11/2007 : 16:30:15
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Langjaren.
Plassen ble fra senest 1790 brukt av Gulbrand Eriksen, f. ca. 1727, d. 1813 på Sylling-eie, g.m. II Marte Pedersdtr. Hvam-eie, f. ca. 1755, d. 1817 på Sylling-eie. Barn: Christen, Anders (til Båshammer u. Kirkerud). (Se bygdehist.).
En annen plass var i 1801 bebodd av soldat Jakob Andersen, f. ca. 1775 (på Brevik-eie ?), g.m. Inger Gulbrandsdtr., f. ca. 1774. Barn: Gulbrand, Anders. Tidligere hadde de bodd på Gunnerud-eie og Horn-eie.
Again this is from the Lier records:
Place was from senest(?) 1790 farm of Gulbrand Eriksen born 1727 and died 1813 on Sylling-eie. His second marriage to Marte Pedersdatter of Hvam-eie born 1755 and died 1817 on Sylling-eie. Their children are Christen, and Anders (at Bashammer in Kirkerud) (see Norwegian History). Why does it say to see Norwegian History?
In the second paragraph, I believe I am reading:
One second(?) place was in 1801 inhabited by soldier Jakob Anderson born 1775 of Brevik-eie and married to Inger Gulbrandsdatter born 1774. Their children are Gulbrand, Anders. Earlier they had lived on Gunnerud-eie and Horn-eie.
Do you think the two families were related in anyway? I do not see Inger as one of Gulbrand's children listed above. Could she be from Gulbrand's first marriage that is not listed?
It is very strange seeing Jakob Andersen (1775)listed on the property, knowing my gggrandfather Jakob Andersen was not born until 1836.
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eibache
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Posted - 19/11/2007 : 18:15:45
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Good work Leta, just a few pieces of info: "Denne plassen" ie "denne husmannsplassen" meaning "This cotters place (farm)" and "ble fra senest 1850 brukt av" means "was used from at least 1850 by", ie they could have used the farm earlier. "f. ca." of course is "born approximately" - "på Båshammer" would be "at Båshammer" even though "på" is "on" as you have written. "u. Kirkerud" is easy enough - u. means "under" ie a cottage place under Kirkerud. "skyldsatt fra bnr. 1" simply means "parted from bnr. 1" - bnr. 1 in this case was Kirkerud ie Gampedalsenga became a separate "farm". Skyldsatt has to be delt with in a historic manner, a description is found in the information from the environmental department regarding the Norwegian Land registration. http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/md/dok/NOU-er/1999/NOU-1999-01/11/2.html?id=375646
or http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na27.html
Regarding Langjaren "En annen plass" means "Another cotters place (farm)" - I have not dwelled with the relationship between the residents at these cotter farms.
Considering the naming practices in Norway it is not just accidental that you find the same names that long apart. (They definitely have to be two different persons of course!) |
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Kåarto
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Posted - 19/11/2007 : 19:48:18
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Hi,
great work.
The outhor of Langjaren online is reffering to...." se bygdehistorie" see the history of Lier countryside, Lier Bygdebooks. Theses online pages are the same, but in in a prettier edition editet by Lier municipality.
If soldier Jacob Andersen and his family are related to your people is hard to say at the moment.
I investigated Lier Bygdebooks on Statsarkivet and the connection between the farms was easy to follow, so it seems not the whole of the Bygdebobooks are online.
There were 6 subfarms under Kirkerud all named Kirkerud eie and 6 or seven subfarms under Sylling named Sylling eie in 1801.
Where was Inger ?
Good question, hard to answere, perhaps is she listed the 1801 census, before1800 mostly owners (Tax payers) and boys (possible soldiers) was in the interest of the outhorities (the king).
Gampedalsengen:
Gamp means horse, dal means wally and engen means medow or field.
Kåre
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Kåarto
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Posted - 19/11/2007 : 21:46:08
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Even Baardsen was born on Wiig/Vig in Sigdal 1789 and christened in Holmen church as Einar pointed out.
All of his godparents were from Ramstad in Sigdal
Sigdal 1801, Even and his parents, father Baal Kittilsen age 67 and mother Gunnild Eriksdatter age 52 and his two brothers Ole and Klemmet on a sub farn under Slevigen in Krødsherad, earler a local parish under Sigdal, today an independant municipality, click here
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letaoconnor
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Posted - 20/11/2007 : 03:59:35
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Kare,
You have been one busy person and I can not thank you enough. It is going to take a little time to digest all of the new information that you and Eibache have given me. I definately need to get more ink for my printer.
I noticed on the 1801 census above Even there is a girl named Anne Baarsdatter age 24 and unmarried, working as a servant girl. There may be a possibility this is his child as well. I will look at birth records from around 1775 to 1777 to see if I can find her.
Again thanks to the both of you.
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eibache
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Posted - 20/11/2007 : 07:14:46
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| Anne is his daughter, you will find her as #4 from the bottom of page 144 in Sigdal 1722-1777. She married Anders Larsen April 3 1803 in Krydsherred - they were both at the Slevigen farm. |
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letaoconnor
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Kåarto
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Posted - 21/11/2007 : 12:04:22
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Leta,
here is Buskerud.
You will find Drammen town down and right, Aasiden is north-west, close to Drammen (not available in this map)
Lier is north of Drammen, Sylling is in the western part of lake Tyrifjorden named Holsfjorden.
Sigdal parish and municipality is west of Sylling and the + marks Holmen church in the southern part of lake Soneren.
Krødsherad parish and municipality is nort of Sigdal.
Sigdal municipality
Lier municipality
Digitalarkivet has temporary Bad Gateway.
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eibache
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Posted - 21/11/2007 : 16:10:03
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The baptism took place "same dag" as the one above and that was Oct 24, (the next one was Dec 8) the left column gives the date when the mother was introduced in the church after the baptism and that was Dec 15 - "Den 15 Ditto Baard Kittilsen Wiigs Qvinde".
Godparents were Ane Elisabet ?, Maria Christophersdatter, Taasten Heliesen, Peder Pedersen, Jon Ellingsen |
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letaoconnor
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Posted - 23/11/2007 : 22:33:17
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I am reverting back to something that Hopkins had brought up back on October 27th.
I am still looking for the right Anders Johannessen that is related to Jacob Andersen.
Hopkins had found a soldier Anders Johannessen who was married to Kari Jacobsdatter. She passed away in 1835.
A son (my gggrandfather) Jacob Anderson was born in 1836, mother Mari Johnsdatter father Anders Johannessen.
Then the same Anders Johannessen married sister Kristine Jacobsdatter I think in 1837.
Kari and Kristine's father was Jacob Chrristiansen, mother Marte Christopherson. In the 1801 census Jacob was living on the Solberg farm. I have been looking in the Hole bygdebok, but can not seem to find Solberg. Is is listed as a different farm and I am missing it.
I have been looking for Mari Johnsdatter's information as well.
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digupstuff
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Posted - 25/11/2007 : 20:12:41
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Hi! I'm a new member at www.norwayheritage.com. I joined because I saw your post about Jacob and Mathea Anderson. I'm not 100% certain as of yet, but I believe they were my great, great grandparents. My great grandmother was Martha Anderson. Well, she was the only maternal great grandmother I ever knew in person. She adopted my grandmother Hazel Madelin Anderson. I'm a bit confused because there are a couple of Martha Andersons out there in the Alpena, MI area. I'd like to see if perhaps you have the information I'm missing? I sure would appreciate any help.
Here is the information that I have...
Martha Anderson
b. 26 NOV 1881, Alpena, MI
d. 13 FEB 1969, Flint, MI
Adopted 1 child:
Hazel Madelin Anderson (was Walsh)
b. 15 NOV 1903, Alpena, MI
d. 28 AUG 1987, Flint, MI
I do have more information that this, but I want to see if you have the same connections first. Please feel free to email me any time.
Sincerely,
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